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Author Topic: Newbie needs help!  (Read 13058 times)
tzion
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« on: January 12, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

Hi all:

I'm just about to get into this agency and correspondence business
so I'm wondering if you have any advice you can offer.  Specifically,
I'm interested: how many women do you think I should initially write;
response rate; snailmail, telephone or e-mail; how is their
English/your Spanish; do you use translation services; any other
advice you think is helpful.

BTW, I'm in my mis 20s, good looking, stable, sensitive, and so on,
and I'm interested in Brazilian and Colombian ladies (although have
been warming up to Peruvian women, too, lately).  Any agency
recommendations?

Thanks a million and then some,
Best wishes,
Michael

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utopiacowboy
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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Newbie needs help!, posted by tzion on Jan 12, 2005

I used amigos.com and corresponded with many women from Mexico, Peru, the DR, and Colombia. It was how I met my wife. If their English is good, write them in English but if they don't, write in Spanish no matter how bad your Spanish is - you'll go a lot further. Also, be absolutely honest and true to yourself instead of trying to be all things to all women. My life on a ranch in Texas with horses and cattle separated me from from the hundreds of other emails that my wife received. She's always had a thing for cowboys!
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tzion
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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Newbie needs help!, posted by utopiacowboy on Jan 14, 2005

Smiley Good for you, Utopia.  Nice to see you active here,
too. Wink

Yeah, that's what I thought--with Amigo, Match Int'l and
similar.  Will give it a shot.

Michael

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thunderbolt
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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Newbie needs help!, posted by tzion on Jan 12, 2005

As you can see, you will get as many advise as there are people here.

My suggestion based mostly on logic rather than experience (I am planning to make my first trip in about 1.5 months), is to think this whole adventure through and decide if you want to do it or not.  After that, where you want to go.  Basically, you can visit each city in Colombia and South America if you want to, but that will cost you astronomically in terms of time and money.  Focus on one country and one city first; I chose Cali for various reasons.  Basically, if you fly to Colombia it will cost you several hundered $, then hotel, dates, etc.  Then if you fly to, say, Brazil, twice more.  And so on.  Why waste time and money?  Also if you fly from Europe, each time you come back you will have a hard time adjusting to time change, so you will minimize that by minimizing the extent of your search (from what I understand, you are in Spain, so this will be minimal, but nonetheless it's something you should keep in mind.  BTW, if you live in Spain, you probably already know Spanish I assume, and this will give you a big bonus).

Once I decided on going ahead with this adventure and where I will concentrate, I purchased a number of addresses from various sources, spent around $200, although it could be done for less.  Sent e-mails to these ladies, got OVERWHELMING response (not 99%, but still surprisingly high), and frankly will have my days in Cali booked without any agencies.  Basically, if you know Spanish or Portuguese, DO it.  If you don't - DON'T bother, it will be a waste of time.

Then fly to Colombia or Brazil or whichever country you will decide on, and have a good time!  There are a couple of guys whose business is to introduce foreigners to local women in clubs, malls, etc; their numbers were posted on the forum earlier.  I would use an agency only if you totally don't know any Spanish, need a translator, and feel like wasting money (in the latter case, I would suggest that you just forward it to my account instead Wink - j/k - and, as one poster said - you need 'extreme hand-holding' - whatever that means.  If you decide to use an agency, keep in mind that they may promise more than they deliver.  A lot of guys found that the dates they were promised did not materialize after they paid their fees (ladies did not show up, were unavailable, etc).  Hotel rates are ridiculously low - especially in comparison to Europe (Inter-Continental is like US$65/night), so this makes using agencies even a bigger waste of money than they appear to be at first site.

Just my two cents.  Good luck!

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Chris F
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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Newbie needs help!, posted by tzion on Jan 12, 2005

In my own experience, I do not feel E-mail writing is " a
waste of time"  But I do feel it depends on the city. While
on this search, I never received many replys from women from
Cali, but I did receive many replys from the women at LAI in
Bogota.

Before going to Lima, Peru in December of 2003, I wrote to
seven or eight women, I talked to them on the phone, and got
to know a little about them before arriving in Lima and
having dates with them. My finance who will arrive here in
six months was one of the women I first made contact with
E-mail.


Jimmy from St Louis who also posts here met his soon to be
wife in Lima first through E-mail as well.

G

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Seeker
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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Newbie needs help!, posted by tzion on Jan 12, 2005

Welcome to PL! I'd suggest you do a Latin Forum Search and look some of the agencies often mentioned here: LE, Latin-Internet, CaliVIP and ACG in Cali, CSH in Medellin, LAI in Bogota and Engage the Exotic in Baranquilla. These are the agencies that I would suggest. Focus on one or two and start planning your trip. Although I'm optimisitic, I still think that to make something work, this will be the first of many trips to Colombia for you.

I go back and forth on whether e-mailing women is worth it. I think LAI has the most efficient e-mail service. I like CSH's deal of buying 20 e-mails for $100 and getting a free night at CSH (worth $75). If I were interested in Peru, I'd try matchingsys.com . Brazil? Try LatinEuro since there aren't that many choices. From personal experience, stay away from A Foreign Affair out of Cartagena. Right now I'm excited at the results I've obtained from using match.com international. You could literally e-mail hundreds of women at a minimal cost. Definetely, forget snailmail, e-mail is the way to go. How many? Response rate? Anyone's guess. There are too many variables weighing in on the outcomes.

I'd suggest you focus on a single country. Looks like Colombia is your first choice; if not, I think you should consider it as such. Why would you be asking for translation services information if you're from Spain? If you were talking about Portuguese, I suggest "Com Licenca" Brazilian Portuguese for Spanish Speakers by Antonio R. M. Simoes. If you speak Spanish, basic Portuguese shouldn't be too challenging.

Good luck! If you need anything, just ask.

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pablo
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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Newbie needs help!, posted by Seeker on Jan 12, 2005


Michael,

Just a few comments concerning the value of emailing women prior to a trip.  Although you might get lucky and contact a few women via this method I personally found it a waste of time.  There is nothing better than meeting these wonderful LW in person.  Ten minutes of one-on-one time is better than months of sending letters.  If you are using an agency don't waste your money on their email service.  I think the agencies use it just to increase their bottom line.  

If you do go that route though in Brasil (as there aren't many introduction agencies there) for goodness sake don't throw your money away on LatinEuro.  They have many tempting photos at their site but they are not a reputable address selling agency.  Use LatinSocialNetworks instead.

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soltero
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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Newbie needs help!, posted by pablo on Jan 12, 2005

Many say that emailing the women is a waste of time, I agree if you don't speak, or can't write in Spanish. Many of the women are so happy to receive emails in their own language that the response rate would probably be 95-99%. Whether it makes it to a second email or more is then up to you.
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pablo
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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Newbie needs help!, posted by soltero on Jan 12, 2005


Even if you are fluent in Spanish I'm not sure if that would increase your response rate.  Many of the attractive ladies at address selling sites get hundreds, if not thousands of emails from would be suitors.  Not to mention that many of the addresses are old, etc.

What I was trying to convey is that if you do establish an email correspondence with a LW it doesn't tell you much about her personality, or if there is any chemistry between you, and after spending a short time with her in person you might regret a large letter writing campaign via the internet.  

IMO there is NO comparison between being here in person getting to know the ladies rather than trying it via email.  To each his own.

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utopiacowboy
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« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Newbie needs help!, posted by pablo on Jan 12, 2005

I agree with you, Pablo. Nothing beats going down there and simply meeting them face-to-face the way that you are doing it. For many guys who can't manage that, email can work to lay a foundation. I would suggest following up a promising email relationship with live chat using webcams. It's one more level of interaction that allows you to develop a relationship. I sent my wife the money for a web cam early on in our relationship and I never regretted it. I did have another email and web cam relationship with a Mexican woman and when I met her in person, even though she was very attractive, the chemistry just was not right. On the other hand, when I met my wife in person for the first time, she blew me away totally. The chemistry was unbelieveable - stronger than with anyone I had ever met in my life. So, the ultimate test is the personal meeting.
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pablo
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« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Newbie needs help!, posted by utopiacowboy on Jan 14, 2005


Quote:

"The chemistry was unbelievable - stronger than with anyone I had ever met in my life."

Cowboy,

Are you sure you didn't have a little cow dookey stuck on those boots of yours partner? ;-)

I agree with you also.  Not many guys can cash their chips in to spend an extended amount of time in SA.  It's just that I got so burned out and cross eyed looking at so many blasted web site photos of beautiful LW, sending out many emails, with I might add, a fair amount of success, getting my hopes up when an email relationship would develop, thinking I was getting to know them as a person, only to be surprised a few times when an eventual meeting occurred.

I might add a piece of advice though regarding emailing these lovely LW.  Don't start too early before you plan on making the trip.  At the most, four to six months out before getting on that plane.  Many guys that write never go and what woman wants to hear from a guy that he will be probably coming down in a year or two.  If you find a few potentials via the internet get down ASAP taking the relationship to the next level. I think many LW don’t take you seriously until you do show up as they have been told many promises by many would be suitors.  I'd also advise that it not be a WOVO (write one, visit one) trip in case there isn't a mutual chemistry once the meeting does occur.  Always have some sort of a back up plan.

Now I have to get ready for my evening cita with a new interest in my life.  UC, wait to you see this gal!  I was walking the other day when I heard my name being called out by a lovely amiga I know who was sitting at an outdoor cafe.  Being the sociable guy I am and noticing that she was with another beautiful lady, I eagerly joined them at their table.  As it turned out, the other beauty queen is her older sister and to make a long story short, we are going out to dinner tonight.  Dios mio, she is drop dead gorgeous and I'm not bragging here folks.  I could only dream of dating a gal like this back in the States even though she blows away any AW.  I asked them why they didn't have novios and all they said was, "there aren't any men in Medellin". Needless to say, I didn't try to convince them otherwise but did mention I knew one available Gringo.  Which begs the question, what are all you guys who haven’t come to SA waiting for?


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utopiacowboy
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« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Newbie needs hel..., posted by pablo on Jan 14, 2005

I may have had some cow dung on my boots but it's true. My wife was meant to be my wife - I have no doubt about that - it was like we had always known each other. We have a blast together going dancing and exercising together - she is my best friend and a wonderful companion. Not to mention some other things....

You are absolutely right about getting on the plane within a short time frame. I went to see my wife two months after we started corresponding. I wanted to show her I was serious.

Damm, dude, what happened to Monica Belluci? And, yes, what are they waiting for? You're living a fantasy here and the rest of them are sitting at home watching television.

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pablo
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« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Newbie needs..., posted by utopiacowboy on Jan 14, 2005


Cowboy,

I've always enjoyed reading about your success in finding a special Latina and just wanted to let you know that you've been an inspiration to me and I'm sure others.  Your wife sure sounds like one special lady and I'm very happy you found each other.

Ah yes, Monica.  She had to move permanently to Bogotá with her family last week.  I will keep in touch with her but I don't care much for the capital when there is a place called Medellin.  I was feeling a little down and out until I met this other lady recently.  There really is a boatload of beautiful women here and many options.

Speaking of beautiful women, what ever happened to Catherine Zeta-Jones!  I saw her in Ocean's Eleven the other day and was aghast to see that she had cut her hair and put on weight.  

Pablo  

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utopiacowboy
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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hiccups!, posted by pablo on Jan 14, 2005

Well, I am sorry to hear that Monica had to pack up and go to Bogota. I like Bogota but I much prefer Medellin so I'm with you on that one. That's the thing about Medellin. How long would it have taken you to bounce back from this in the US? But in Medellin, beautiful women are like buses - there's always another one coming down the street! You're right. A woman's cutting her hair is never a good thing. The tip of my wife's hair reaches her waist and between her hair and what's below it, ay caramba!
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OkieMan
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« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Newbie needs hel..., posted by pablo on Jan 14, 2005

Pablo,
You lucky devil! I am still doing what I can to get there.  Being stuck up  here in January is certainly no fun, but for now, I am saving my money and counting the days.  By the way, any photos of these lovelies would be appreciated. You have my email address.  If your novia has some gorgeous friends, let them know I want to come down there soon!  I will try not to drool! ha
         
                              OkieMan
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