Patrick Look At This. It's Important.

[Onephd]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: The problem with the &qu..., posted by slojas1 on Jan 6, 2005

I hear you on that.  I agree with your comments in general. My Grandfather only went to the 4th grade.  Trust me, I don't judge or think that my shit doesn't stink.  I was not throwing anything into anyone’s face.  I simply responded to a post.  

No I don't think that all the best people in the world are in Doctoral programs, I’m not knocking those that work in corporate as I have done it myself. I was just trying to say that getting a PhD is not just about being smart or just about having perseverance, its about having both qualities. Some people are very smart but because they are smart, they sometimes never really have to work hard and those people usually flunk out of grad school or a doctoral program. Bascially they don't have good study skills and have never developed perservance. They have gone through life not having been challeged. The flip side is that there are some people that are not very smart but have tons of perseverance.  Those will not make it in a Doctoral program either. They will exceed at other things and do so better than anyone else.  I'm just saying you need both skill sets.  That was the point of my post which I think you fully understand.  Everyone has a path in ife.  no path is better ro worse than anyone.  

Some people make great race car drivers and some make great fighter pilots.  The two are very different in many ways and offer different views of the world.  Some people like to study the stars from earth and some would like to take a space shuttle to the moon.  Neither one is better than the other.  Different perspectives different paths in life.

Oh yeah, I'm not looking for a Latina with a PhD or someone that can "relate" to me intellectually. I’m just looking for a good person with a good heart and common sense.  

Again not picking a fight.  I think this post has gotten out of hand. ha ha ha.   Didn't mean to offend anyone.

[gkdrummer]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: The problem with the "e..., posted by Onephd on Jan 6, 2005

I know this is off-topic, but as the horse has already been beaten to death, I don't think it matters........
I just finished my last 5th year class and my profesora made a plea during the end concerning how we should all consider continuing on to a doctorate, as there is (according to her) a  severe shortage of PHd's in that area.  She acknowledged that academia is usually where these graduates end up working, and that there is much more $$ to be made with a lessor degree in private industry.  However, the schedule that teaching provides is appealing to me and something that I've considered.  Is it common to find compensation programs to defray the cost of attending these programs??  

On a more relevant note - I met a 31 y/o chica from Cali last night in a chat room and ended up chatting til about 2am!!  She was amazed at my ability to chat in Spanish, and her pic showed her to be a real cutie!  Really got my mind thinking about getting down there - but not sure how my current Cubana novia would like that (actually - I'm VERY sure how she would like that................coño)!!

--gk

[Onephd]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: The problem with the &qu..., posted by gkdrummer on Jan 6, 2005

most schools fund their doctoral programs so that the students get free tuition and some kind of a small salary to pay rent.  Its not much.  If you are lucky and I was, there are external funding opportunities to add on to your salary that the school gives you.  

What field are you in?  I can better answer you if I know that.  Yes there is a shortage of PhD's in general. That leads to high salarises  

Business School professsors are 100K and up.  Finance and Accounting are the highest, Marketing is probably the lowest.)

Engineering Phds are about 75K and up(last time I checked and that was a few years ago)

Law school professors earn 85K and up(that was about 2 years ago)

English on the other hand is like 35-40K

Communcications is like 40-50K a year.

The salaries vary according to what you do.

All these are 9 month salaries and when you are bigger schools you can add 22% for a summer salary.  this is money for you NOT to work, but do research.  Thus you get paid not to teach in the summmer. if you are at a smaller teaching school, you can teach summer school and earn the 22%.  Its a strange set up I know.  

Also if you in some fields many professors get grants to do research and also supplement their income.

You are correct, its a lifestyle choice and people that do this don't do it for the money.  You have to like doing research and answering today most important question.  For example in Business, the Balanced Score Card (a tool used to evaluate managers and executives) was created by two Business professors at Havard about 10-12 years ago.  Sometimes B-School professors study how incentive plans work at motivating executives and employees work ethic.  There are all kinds of things you get to do and discover.  

If you like asking questions and really wondering how things work in the world at the macro level then a PhD could be for you.  

Contact me offline if you want to chat about it.  and you are right, the topic has been beaten to death. ha ha ha.

[gkdrummer]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The problem with the..., posted by Onephd on Jan 6, 2005

My BA is in Business Admin, with a concentration of Accounting.  I'm a little surprised that you didn't surmise that when I said I just finished my "5th year" - you know, the Ed requirement to sit for the CPA exam! (which I will be doing this year)
I am interested in picking your brain a bit more on the subject, but didn't see an email addy in your profile.  How can I reach you?

--gk

[Onephd]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The problem with..., posted by gkdrummer on Jan 6, 2005

You know I did catch that but so many students are taking 5 years to complete any degree I didn't want to assume.

I thought my email was there but its.

tjp1967@hotmail.com

Trust me, a phd in Accounting will grant you a great lifestyle.  I'll fill you in when you write to me.

one

[soltero]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: The problem with the "e..., posted by Onephd on Jan 6, 2005

"PhD's are smart enough to know they are not experts outside their fields. So anything a person says here on this board (PhD or not) should be taken as a mans opinion and nothing more. "

Thank you. I am not trying to knock the work that goes into getting a doctorate. My mother was a teacher and got her PhD before she retired because it was a goal of hers. She worked very hard for it and I respect that. It just upsets me for someone to constantly spout off about it like they found the holy grail and act like they are an expert on everything and now somehow different than everyone else because of it. I wasn't around when Dr Aaron was here before. From the jist of the conversations about that period, maybe that's just his way.

[Brazilophile]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: The problem with the &qu..., posted by soltero on Jan 6, 2005

I also am put off by Dr. Aaron's pomposity.  He seems to think that he is the only person who has ever earned a PhD, or is now somehow qualified to lord it over others who have not (yet) earned PhD's.  He gives other PhD's a bad name.  

Like Onephd, I have earned a doctorate in economics and teach in a business school.  Not only do I lack expertise in other fields, I also lack expertise in other areas of specialization besides my own WITHIN the economics field.  The level of specialization of education and training at this level is so focused and narrow that our knowledge is useless outside that narrow area.  I guarantee that if a lay person asks a PhD specific questions in his/her field, the majority of answers will be "I don't know."  

My specialization is within micro-economics.  Ask me about Greenspan, the Federal Reserve, interest rates, and monetary policy and I will give you a blank stare and a shoulder shrug!!!

[Michael B]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The problem with the..., posted by Brazilophile on Jan 6, 2005

1. Everybody is ignorant. Only on different subjects.

2. An economist? That a fellow who’s been to school and studied these kinds of things, and his guess is ALMOST as good as yours.

And from Woddie Guthrie--
After all, what is money?
Don't know, never had none.

[Onephd]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The problem with the..., posted by Brazilophile on Jan 6, 2005

well said.

I have to admit that I never got that impression from reading Aarons posts however.  

but thats me.  anyway,lets put this post to bed.

Good night..

[Onephd]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: The problem with the &qu..., posted by soltero on Jan 6, 2005

I hear you.

no harm no foul.  

[Dr Aaron]

... in response to Re: Re: The problem with the "educa..., posted by soltero on Jan 5, 2005

[This message has been edited by Dr Aaron]

. Nevermind. It's a waste of time explaining to you.

I haven't made any self-rightous comment on the board since I re-started posting.

I made some assertive criticisms, but none of them had self-rightous tones.

Your response to my post was based on a personal grude that you have against me; and you cannot provide a reasonable counter argument to my statement or opinion.  

You made all these cross-cultural and historical analyses, which were partially correct at the most, but we live in the 21st century in the USA, and I intend to be a law abiding citizen wherever I go in this world.

The USA has been bad-mouthed enough over the last 4 years in different places in the world; and I feel responsible to provide a decent example and role model for the values my country and flag claim to hold dear so other people can see the beauty of America and the American people.

Take Care,
Aaron

[Fuzzyone]

... in response to I'm qualified, and you're ...., posted by Dr Aaron on Jan 6, 2005

I hate to break the new to you but I think most of the old posters are gone
that remember you. If they were still here I don't think you would last long. I
don't know how Soltero can have a grudge against you since he came on this
forum well after you got kicked off the first time. I think everyone here has
posted what they think of your self rightous comments... I think everyone agrees
about the point of the girl is too young 16 years but then you fell off the
wagon... Unwrap yourself from the flag and the best thing you could do when
you are overseas is act like a normal human being not one with a PHD that way
maybe they will not talk bad about us...

[soltero]

... in response to I'm qualified, and you're ...., posted by Dr Aaron on Jan 6, 2005

[This message has been edited by soltero]

You are correct. Explaining it to me would be a waste of time since I understood it the first time around. I didn't disagree with you, I just didn't like your "tone". I don't have a grudge against you, because I don't know you, and a grudge requires more interaction than a few posts on a forum. I wasn't trying to provide a counter to your argument, because I agreed with it (All of that other stuff was a sidebar between me and Malandro). I just didn't agree with the way that you presented it. It just seemed a little pious to me. The US will continue to be bad mouthed as long as we are on top. It goes with the territory. When that stops, we will be in more trouble than not. It is funny that as much "bad mouthing" there is, people are still breaking their necks to slip in here, isn't it? Trust me, they could care less if you are standing there waving a flag while they are trying to get by the border patrol. As far as you being qualified, qualified to do what? Give your opinion? I didn't know they gave out doctorates for that. I want one too. Every teenager in the country knows what the age of consent here is. How long did it take you to research to prepare to give your qualified opinion? Or do you have a juris doctorate and were lecturing us on the fine point of international pedophilia and the repercussions thereof because a 16 year old wants a better life and will probably sit on that site a minimum of 2 more years because no one in their right mind would call her for an interview? The people that may have needed to hear your speech won't care anyway. It's nice to know that you care, though.

Also, as far as the cross cultural and historical analysis, "Those who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it".  I have been a member of the National Historical Society since I was 7 years old. Geeky, I know, but I love history. It doesn't matter what century this is. People don't change. Never have and probably never will. As long as you understand whatever is written here is opinion whether it's yours or mine, and also that opinions are like a**holes and everybody has one (sans qualifications), we will do fine.

[Malandro]

... in response to The problem with the "educated"..., posted by soltero on Jan 5, 2005

my understanding is that the missionaries likely saved countless savages from being slaughtered.  thus, many latin american countries still contain signficant populations of natives if not majority populations.  the colonization of the US on the other hand involved no such widescale attempt at conversion and tolerance.

[soltero]

... in response to the Missionaries wiped out more cultures..., posted by Malandro on Jan 5, 2005

[This message has been edited by soltero]

"the missionaries likely saved countless savages from being slaughtered..."

Depends on perception...that of the missionaries, or that of the "savages". This post will be waaayyyy to long. You have to look at the missionary's role in the total scheme of things. Who always followed the missionaries after they worked their conversion and "pacified" the "savages"? Hmmmmm? Food for thought. As far as the colonization of the US, you have to go back to the 1600's, look up how the French Jesuit Missionaries affected the Hurons and the Iroquois (where are they now?), among others and take it from there. I didn't say people, I said CULTURES...even though religion as a whole is responsible for more deaths throughout history than anything else, but that is again, another lengthy post, and I don't have time to write a dissertation here.