The other side of the story

[E Michael C]

I have nothing personally against pete, but if he is going to be a reporter about Cali, then he needs to report the whole truth.

Pete came to CALI VIP office and requested 6 dates which the girls refused after we told them his age, his age is 65 and the girls profile where in the 18's to 20's cathegory.

I did not want to air dirty laundry over Planet Love that is why I gave him a personal phone call, please in the future be realistic when choosing a girl when you are 65 years old and also I do not do personal favors as other agencies do for this person in order for him to post good things about other agencies, I don't do this for the money, I do this  because I am looking for a wife, and I tell the truth to the girls about the guy and also about the girl.

Good luck in the future, sorry I could not assist you, now other people will know the other side of the story.

[cabocancun]

... in response to The other side of the story, posted by E Michael C on Jan 3, 2005

Mike,

You have information about Cali that could be valuable to many of us because the majority of the members go to Cali:

1.Please tell us how many guys have gotten married to women at your agency?
2.How many guys have gotten engaged at your agency?
3.What have the women at your agency said about the gringos
that have attended your functions?
4.What should a guy do to increase his chances of having success at your agency?
5.How would you compare your agency to a TLC Cali tour?
6.How would you compare your agency to some of the online dating services?
7.What have the guys who have utilized the services of your agency said about the experience?
8.If a guy wants to give a trip report about your agency should he only write about the things that he thought were well done?

Cabo

[Pete E]

... in response to The other side of the story, posted by E Michael C on Jan 3, 2005

Mike,
We are getting in to details here,something I was willing not to do.Thats fine,I like to talk facts and have it in the open.It didn't feel real good what I posted about not talking about things.
The guy I was talking about above who got 5 citas in 4 days was 45 years old. B,from Ohio.
A good looking 45 year old.He does not speak a word of spanish however.I am just repeating what he told me.He stayed with me after he left your place,used another agency,got quite a few citas but didn't really meet anyone,he spent too much time chasing a girl who was obviously not interested in him.Another friend of his who also stayed with you said why don't you post your experience at Cali Vip,he said because I liked Nelson and thought he did his best to try to help me.
As far as my personal experience,something I had not brought up here,I gave Paula 9 names.She told me after checking about 10 miniutes that she did not have contact imformation on 6 of them.All of these girls were 27 to late 30's,most said age did not matter on their profiles.The 3 left were in that same range.I was trying to find my list right now,guessI threw it out.Paula kept saying maybe tomorrow for several days,then I quit calling her.I never got any feed back that the girls thought me told old,I was getting stories about them being busy or hard to contact.After a few days I quit calling Paula.Actually I was meeting girls elsewhere and I was just willing to forget it.It was good however,that this exercise cost me nothing.It was $20 per date,I paid nothing,got nothing,I can't complain about that but it does give a little picture of the ability to arrange citas there.
I did have this same problem with Paula at Latin Encounters and thought she was part of the problem,but was willing to give it a shot with Cali Vip also.
I gave Paula list of about 10 girls,got no citas.Most were on your site as well as Margareths and said on your site age does not matter,on Margareths they might say to 45 or 50 max.None said less than 45.She got me zero for 10.Interestingly enough I did have one cita set up by her,the girl called and cancelled,some excuse.Well she canceled to meet a guy described by another person.That guy was also me.Yep,2 citas same night,same girl,same guy,one person obviously sold me better than the other.I doubt Paula even called all the girls.I did talk with Margarteh a little about this,showed her where some girls
said age does not matter on your site,something different on hers.She pulled out the original profiles,showed me the age the girl wrote.She called Wilson over who said he was told to change the age prefference to does not matter on your site.Now some of the inaccuracy might not be intentional but just a mistake.My current girlfriend shows on your site as 5ft 7 ,120 lbs on your site.She is 5 ft one,105lbs.
I am 61,not 65 and I think I look alot younger.Of course probably everybody thinks that,I never met a guy who though he looked older and alot do.For those who haven't seen a picture go to
http://photos.yahoo.com/preiguren
Age was a bit of a problem at Margareths also.When I first started looking she was guiding me to women I had zero interest in.Even recently she said I have 2 girls for you,I looked them up,no gracias,I didn't come to Colombia for that.But I did meet my current girlfriend there,age 40,probably about where I should really be looking.And she is very unspoiled.
My experience elsewhere is different.At Latin Best
Luz Amparo or Maritza will set me up with girls that say they want 40.Maritza says no problem,you look good,of course what I wanted to hear but the girls seem to think so also.I have never met a girl where age was a problem that I could tell.But failed to meet some based on what others have said about me apparently.The girl I met through the other guy that cancelled on Paula to meet me
asked something about me having a pension.I said nothing,presumed that came from Paula.Thats even worse than saying 61,you usually have to be 65 to get one here.
I think its an issue having a 18 year old describe you.They probably think anybody over 40 ancient. A 40 year old,like Maritza a whole different impression so a different reaction.
Kind of rambled here.
Mike,I am a stickler for facts details and the truth.I will play that game all day long and will readily admit admit when I am wrong.I belive what I have been told,the truth shall set you free and you make the truth your enemy,you lose.
Or course I have my own vanity which comes through here.We all do.Its more of an opinion,definetely not a fact.

Pete

[thundernco]

... in response to The whole truth ? Gladly, I like that id..., posted by Pete E on Jan 3, 2005

n\t

[Heat]

... in response to The other side of the story, posted by E Michael C on Jan 3, 2005

cause you sound like you been smoking some good shit!!

[thunderbolt]

... in response to The other side of the story, posted by E Michael C on Jan 3, 2005

Assuming everything happened how you describe it, your actions do appear reasonable.

However...
1) I do not recall Pete attack your agency. Even if he did at some point, I do not remember, and regardless no damage was done.
2) WHY WOULD YOU DISCLOSE PRIVATE INFO ABOUT YOUR CLIENTS IN PUBLIC?

To put this in a perspective, I plan to come to Cali next month, and I was certainly considering to use your agency, in fact it was #1 on my list.  Even though I am a lot younger than 65 and can't imagine having the age issue come up, I now have strong reservations about using your services, b/c I do value my privacy, and I am sure everyone else here does as well.

[CartagenaPapito]

... in response to The other side of the story, posted by E Michael C on Jan 3, 2005

perhaps, but he doesn't look a day over 60

[Ray]

... in response to The other side of the story, posted by E Michael C on Jan 3, 2005

[This message has been edited by Ray]

I just wanted to take this opportunity to tell you to screw off!

I have a particular dislike for spammers and you are one of the lowest. You used your member registration on this forum to steal personal e-mail addresses from the Member Profile area for your company’s spam list. Personally, I think anyone who would do business with a dork-ass like you is crazy!

And That’s the other side of the story!

Ray

[Seeker]

... in response to The other side of the story, posted by E Michael C on Jan 3, 2005

Mike,

I understand your frustration at thinking that Pete was giving your agency a bad rap based on limited truth, instead of what you refer to as the whole truth. As a customer, it is very challenging to walk the fine line between reporting to PL members our personal experiences at the agency and hoping to avail ourselves of the same agency services in the future. It is difficult to remain anonymous in this process.

I never felt that Pete was discussing his own experiences at CaliVIP, but rather that of another customer- the 45 year-old from Ohio. Therefore, I'm not sure if your post was based on your misinterpretation of Pete's post, or in direct retribution for him passing on the negative feedback on your agency. Regardless, it was in poor taste.

I'd like to challenge you Mike to take negative feedback on your agency in the future as an opportunity to learn and imporve. Do you have a customer satisfaction survey? I see you have plans to expand by opening an office in the North of Cali and in Lima, Peru. Why not welcome any feedback, positive or negative, as a source for learning and improving? Certainly, you can't think that CaliVIP has reached perfection after a few months of operating. Let members, speak their minds uncensored at PL, and focus your energies on strengthening your agency and its customer service. Great reports on CaliVIP by random PL members will do more for CaliVIP than you'll ever be able to accomplish yourself by defending your agency against negative feedback.

I find it personally offensive that as a business owner you would sacrifice client privacy to justify your point of view. Is humilation on a public forum what I can expect from CaliVIP, if I am not satisfied with your agency and post my personal experiences and conclusions on your agency? I don't think your reputation has been helped at all by doing this, quite the opposite. In fact, I can't think of anything that has ever been said on PL that will be more damaging to you and CaliVIP then having publicly humilated Pete E. on this forum and broken that sacred customer privacy and trust.

[Kiltboy1]

... in response to The other side of the story, posted by E Michael C on Jan 3, 2005

At least he did not talk "IN THE THIRD PERSON" this time

I guess he finaly saw the SIENFIELD EPISODE !

[soltero]

... in response to The other side of the story, posted by E Michael C on Jan 3, 2005

One thing I have found incredible is that most people with money usually are very lacking in their people skills. You would think that in order to amass a certain amount of cash, you would have to be able to understand how to present an argument. Not so. Not being rich myself, I find it very interesting. I have a few friends that are millionaires, and one of them used to actually write is number on $50 bills and give them to women to impress them. Back in the day, if I just said hello I got a better response than he did for his $50. Not that he was a bad looking guy, just no people skills. I truly believe that Mr. Mike here considers this an admirable attempt at suporting his position. I guess politicians go to some kind of school after they have gotten rich and are now seeking power to be able to connect with the other guy. Lesson one, do not personally attack anyone and then make excuses about it. Don't personally attack at all. When you go for the person directly especially with personal information, you look shady regardless. Lesson 2, always stay positive and calm. This was a good effort sans the personal attack. Lesson 3, Know your audience. Pete posts here all the time. We feel that we know him. Whether what happened happened or not, who do you think people are going to side with? You would have done better making the injured party some nameless, faceless schmo and just saying that whatever supposed wrong was done, you would correct it or give examples of some of the positive that has been going on in your agency. Read the archives and do a search on "Jamie".

[Malandro]

... in response to The other side of the story, posted by E Michael C on Jan 3, 2005

although it appears you mixed up the LE pics with your new additions to hide the fact that you are apparently now recruiting from former residents of the Valle De Cauca Women's Correction Facility.

[Fuzzyone]

... in response to The other side of the story, posted by E Michael C on Jan 3, 2005

I don't really remember Pete posting about coming to see you and getting stood
up for 6 dates. I do remember that you still owe a programmer money for his
services have you ever paid the guy?