in regards to racism...

[Brazilophile]

... in response to A friend's reply, posted by Edge on Aug 7, 2003

I want to point out that the colonial and racial history of the Caribbean is different from that of SA.  Many islands in the Caribbean were trans-shipment points for slaves going to the US (New Orleans for example), Brazil (Salvador), and Colombia (Cartagena).  This was needed to prepare the newly arrived slaves for sale.  This meant feeding them better than on the slave ships, healing them from wounds and illnesses suffered on the slaves ships, and inflicting severe psychological brutality in order to "break their spirits".  That included demeaning and devaluing dark skin and African features, and elevating white skin and European features to god like levels.  In the Caribbean there is more of the "good hair", "too dark", and "elevating the race by mating with a lighter skinned person" attitudes than there is on the continent.

The real end of the history lesson.

[Ralph]

... in response to Re: A friend's reply, posted by Brazilophile on Aug 7, 2003

That might explain why my experiences have been different than yours. I have heard the mejorando la raza saying a few times. I think that is pretty darn silly. I can tell you Dominican girls go way out of their way to straighten their hair and not have their hair look like a black persons. Also fairly silly.

I mean I love the way my novia looks after spending 3 hours in the salon, but i also love the way she looks when she just lets it dry naturally when we are at the beach.

I can say i experienced racial issues in Mexico, Brazil and Colombia as well.

I can also say that when out in public and noticing couples of mixed races or greatly different skin color at least, there seems to be more lighter skinned women, with darker skinned men down here. I am not sure if there is a reason for it, other than preferences of the ladies.

There are racial issues all over the world. The bottom line is no african american male should even hesitate for a second when contemplating a trip to LA. Any racial issues would inconsequential.

[Aaron]

... in response to Re: A friend's reply, posted by Brazilophile on Aug 7, 2003

rhetoric.

[Aaron]

... in response to A friend's reply, posted by Edge on Aug 7, 2003

And it's definitely smart for you to have second sources for information. I don't know who you want to believe, just ask other Latin people.

One point I do want to make, did you know about a group of black Colombians, you see many especially in Cartagena. You will see many of the black women who sell fruits out of pans, and even carry the pans on their heads. Do you know the history of this group of people?

Or, maybe we can listen to some Salsa by Willie Colon, who was a white Puerto Rican, you ever hear his song Che Che Cole?

Or let's listen to music by Joe Arroyo, who was born in Cartagena, and is notorious all over Colombia, but now lives in Barranquilla. He has a song called Yamulemau. The entire song is in an African language.

We can hear all this music in a discotech in Juanchito of Cali. We could meet at Chango, it's one of the most popular dance clubs in Juanchito. "Chango?" Where do you think "Chango" comes from? Did you ever hear of the Afican diety "Shango?"

Edge, be careful who you talk to, there are allot of guys who feel insecure about history, and want to maintain an attitude of superiority.

Also, all the salseros will tell you, the roots of Salsa, and what people started it. Especially, merengue.

Take Care,
Aaron

[Edge]

... in response to Edge, it's good that you have friends. , posted by Aaron on Aug 7, 2003

[This message has been edited by Edge]

Aaron - you can respond to my friend's post or send him your e-mail at:
mangu35@nospam.com.

and just a brief reply to Aaron's response

Aaron  you were unable to respond to any of the
substantive refutations I made to your "story".  and
your provision of "salsa" as evidence does not support
your argument whatsoever.  Salsa was "invented" in New
York by Puerto Rican immigrants about 50 years ago,
not 500 years ago by African slaves.  likewise
merengue is not a "traditional" latin dance.  

your mythical description of latin history was one
thing but your backhanded attack on the USA was really
the reason I posted.

[Aaron]

... in response to Re: Edge, it's good that you have friend..., posted by Edge on Aug 7, 2003

.

[lswote]

... in response to I don't have time to correspond with Rob..., posted by Aaron on Aug 7, 2003

n/t

[lswote]

... in response to I don't have time to correspond with Rob..., posted by Aaron on Aug 7, 2003

n/t

[Aaron]

... in response to Re: Edge, it's good that you have friend..., posted by Edge on Aug 7, 2003

And we believe the roots of Salsa are from Africa. And we believe the music existed long before puerto ricans and cubans played it in NY. But, when the big record labels heard it, they wanted to market it as an American invention, and not give homage to it's roots.

Aaron

[Edge]

... in response to Edge, it's good that you have friends. , posted by Aaron on Aug 7, 2003

I have not really paid attention to what you are talking about.  My friend asked me post the reply and that is the extent of my involvement.  I am too busy right now to pay much attention to PL.  Heading out of town this weekend to the Bay Area and taking the wife up into the beautiful Colorado Rockies next week to get out of the heat.

I tend to believe what my wife tells me about these matters since she grew up in the latin culture.

My friend is not Robbie San Juan but he has tons of experience down there.  He also has spent alot of time in Venezuela and recently Colombia.  He is in the states now.

It is his opinion - respond to what he says if you want.

I am not endorsing what either of you say because i have not followed the thread.

Take care.

[Aaron]

... in response to Re: Edge, it's good that you have friend..., posted by Edge on Aug 7, 2003

Tell him I say "Hola" !!!!!

[Edge]

... in response to Man, I must be good !!!!!!!!!! It was Ro..., posted by Aaron on Aug 7, 2003

[This message has been edited by Edge]

It is not robbie san juan -

You tell him hola.  
Talk to him offline and let me know what you think then.

you really are an idiot.  That is why I do not waste my time.

Take care

[burbuja2]

... in response to Look Dickhead..., posted by Edge on Aug 7, 2003

I think you should show a little (but only a little) respect to Aaron and refer to him as Mr. Dickhead.

[Aaron]

... in response to A Slight Correction, posted by burbuja2 on Aug 7, 2003

.

[thundernco]

... in response to Look Dickhead..., posted by Edge on Aug 7, 2003

Hey Edge,

Email me and let me know when you're going to be in the city, if possible we can hook up for a drink or dinner?  If not, another time, enjoy the trip.
-TNC