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Author Topic: in regards to racism...  (Read 21718 times)
senge
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« on: August 07, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

Any info on how black and asian Americans do with the ladies of Columbia or SA in general?  I assume most white guys have no problems, since white Americans are universally accepted as potential mates.
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KentR
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« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to in regards to racism..., posted by senge on Aug 7, 2003

Welcome back, this Kentatl, sorry change my e-mail address..I am on bellsouth.net...Tell me about your trip..afroameratl2000@bellsouth.net

Take care,
Kent

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Onephd
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« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to in regards to racism..., posted by senge on Aug 7, 2003

Never mind all of the foolishness that somehow got introduced to the topic.  If you want to go to Colombia, just go.  Contrary to all the hype, women love good men, regardless of color.  

Sure there are women that have preferences.  For example,  Odee.com has about 600 (+-) women in its listing of women from Bogotá.  About 50% have a stated preference for white or tan men and about 50% have no preference in terms of skin color. So again, All Latinas do not "Loveeee White men" as someone put it.  Now Bogotá has often been described as  the most conservative of the places that men visit looking for wives, so you can infer from there.  Again I will tell you that as a black man, I have had no trouble attracting Colombian women (black or white, but mostly white to be honest since I visit Bogota mostly).  

Now maybe the population of women in the agency pool is not representative of the women in overall population of LA, but that is besides the point unless you just plan on going out on the street to meet women.  The women you are interested in are from the agency pool most likely and I can tell you that a Black man can do well.  The agency owners will tell you honestly that Black men do very well.  WE just don't go down in as great of number as men from other races.

Finally, I had lady tell me that I was not black, but brown or dark tan .. I got a laugh out of that as she was being so specific and I guess that black is black there and brown is brown. Here we lump everything together. ha hah ha.

Anyway, man just go and forget the foolishness that gets posted here.  I just returned from Bogotá and saw several Black men with there lovely white and tan latina girlfriends in the mall.  I also saw white men with there lovely latina girlfriends in the mall as well.

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Jeff S
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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Just get on the plane and go!!!, posted by Onephd on Aug 7, 2003

You don't need "most" or "many" or "some" just one.
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Aaron
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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Just get on the plane and go!!!, posted by Onephd on Aug 7, 2003

I'm writing Chapter two.

Take Care,
Aaron

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senge
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« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to in regards to racism..., posted by senge on Aug 7, 2003

Excellent points everyone.  Thanks so much.
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Jeff S
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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: in regards to racism..., posted by senge on Aug 7, 2003

Are you really Tiger Woods in disguise? Black and Asian, a "teacher" from Long Beach???

- Jeff

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senge
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« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Allright Senge, fess up..., posted by Jeff S on Aug 7, 2003

No Tiger here, no such luck, otherwise i'd be rich and with a blond on my arm Smiley

No, i'm a black man with an interest in latinas and filipinas.  I'll post a fresh thread about my own experiences with all races of women.

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Aaron
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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to in regards to racism..., posted by senge on Aug 7, 2003

senge,

keep in mind that i am talking based on my experiences of travelling to different parts of colombia for 4.5 years, and costa rica, as well as based on what many of my latin friends tell me. they're mostly colombian, some puerto rican, and one costa rican. there are some from venezuela also.

you ask a really good question. it is a complex issue. what you will find in latin america, particularly in countries with a greater number of people of african descent, is that there is allot of mixing between races, between whites, indians, and blacks. this is true especially in cali, cartagena, barranquilla, santa marta, and san andres of colombia. there are other less travelled cities and places in colombia were there is still allot of racial mixing. there, it is to the point as a daily thing to see. very prevalent. you can see white men dating darker women or white women dating darker men as a preference.

also keep in mind, the history of slavery in latin america was very different than in the usa. blacks during the days of slavery were allowed to keep their african customs, language, and music. because of this, they maintained a closer connection with their african roots. and are more unified as a people. also, keep in mind that spain as a colonial power of the day, ruled over latin america with policies of exploitation. spain really didn't do much to economically support the latin american colonies. so, what started to occur was that the majority of spanish colonizers, if they were not rich, they remained in the lower social classes, and were poor. the latin american colonies were classist societies, and remanents of the classism from that era still exist today in latin america.

so, this set the stage. what you had were classist societies, with a few wealthy white settlers, and the majority of whites in the lower classes, and are poorer. then, you had the blacks who maintain their african identity and indians who maintained their indentity, too. many people believe that all the indians were exterminated, but that is not true except in certain places. in some locations, most of the indian population was exterminated or assimilated due to racial mixing. but, in colombia that is not the case. there are still many regions of the country were the indians are present. many of the people of cali have indian blood, and many professional people throughout the country are of indian descent.

now, back to the classist societies of latin american colonies. keep in mind, that what usually happens when you mix poor whites, blacks, and indians together. THEY MIX AND INTER-MARRY. look at any low income american community that has both whites and blacks. you find that the community will have a high number of interracial relationships. what happen was that in these societies, the poorer people begin see the value of the person based upon his skills, ability, and resources. and they picked partners who could help them get by from day to day, regardless of the person's race. this kind of context allowed for racial mixing to be more acceptable. as opposed to the usa, where blacks were not allowed to even "think" about dating a white, and white males had their black concubines in the closet, and raped black women.

as more and more mixing took place, people begain to see both the positive and negatives of a group of people. for example, people began to see the positives of the blacks and their culture, and this is how many african customs, music, religion, and food became to be assimilated in latin america.

now, with this all in mind, even though there was mixing, there was and still is racism. however, there in latin america it is of a different form. there racism is based on classism; whereby most blacks and indians are of the lower classes. there, the people of the lower classes are usually meant to stay in their place. in colombia they use the word NICHE, it is the parallel of the word NIG*ER here in the usa. to tranlate it literally, it means niche in english. it was used to refer to blacks in colombia because they were a group of people who were skilled workers, and they had a niche to support themselves. what later happened was that the blacks of colombia took the word, and started to use it amongst themselves as a term a endearment, just like black people in the usa use the word nig*er as a term of endearment. so, in colombia, sometimes blacks will refer to themselves as "niche" or they'll say "negro or negrito". the most popular colombian salsa group, which is from cali, is called GRUPO NICHE. they're a group of mostly black and indian musicians, and some whites. i met them before in person. i went to their cali studios. they will definitely tell you there is racism in colombia. however, race mixing is very prevalent. also, you have to keep in mind that since there has been so much mixing between races, mostly everyone refer to each other as "negro or negra" even if they have lighter skin. they do that because they know that they are not "pure white," but somewhere down the line in the family history, there probably was some mixing. many people make a big joke about it.

in colombian and other latin american countries were the racism is based upon classism, what you find is that people do not make up wild stereotypes about the darker skinned people. not like what was done here, where people would say "blacks are like monkeys, and have tails."
no, you wont find much of that. there may be some, but not allot. however, you will come across a general mind set that darker skinned people are of the lower classes, and "that is their place". however, for the blacks that are more wealthy, they're are accepted by most people, and they are respected. for the wealthier blacks, that have more mobility, people tend to respect them allot more.

in my experience with the women, i tend to like whiter latinas. that is the majority of what i dated. some were rich some were poor. i've had about 15 girl friends. from what i have experienced, from the ones that i've dated, many find darker skinned men very attractive, and they preferred men from brown to tan skin color. they didn't like the blonde, blue-eyed, or very white skinned type of men. they just didn't like it. they had their preferences. what they did like to see was the constrast in the skin color when they were with someone darker, and they were very out going ladies. they loved to dance to tropical music and play sports. they told me that most of the guys they met in the agencies who liked to do the same things, and would try it with them, had darker skin. they liked that. on the other hand, on occasion you will find some lighter ladies that prefer white guys. that's fine. also, there are some darker skinned agency girls that prefer white guys over black guys, and others that want to meet only black guys. i'm black, and i have no problem with getting dates with women of all colors.

i remember one time, when i didn't know all this, i saw a really beautiful white girl in an agency. i wanted to go out with that girl so bad, but i was insecure because i didn't think she would want a black guy. well, i later found out, that her boy friend was a black guy from the usa. she got married. there was also another time when i was in an agency minding my own business, eating breakfast. then BANG, a really foxy mamacita came in for the first time to be a member. she was 4 years older than me. she was a high maintance white lady. i didn't pay much attention to her because she was older, and i thought she wouldn't want to date a younger guy. but later in the day, she called back to the agency and requested me for a cita. we went out. she told me that she loves r&b music, and has travelled to the usa and has gone to many clubs; and she had enough nerve to tell me that the reason why i like latinas is because they have nice butts. still to this day, that woman asks about me, and wants to know when i'll be in town.

aaron


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Georgina
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« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to here it is !!!!!, posted by Aaron on Aug 7, 2003

Aaron,

I guess your experience in LA has been muy buena and I am glad for that. I don't mean to discourage anybody from going South, but I have to tell you that is my opinion that the racism going on in LA is far worse than in the United States.

Comments like "mejorando la raza" are very common in my part of the world.

Sad but true.

Take care,

Georgina

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Aaron
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« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to With all due respect I disagree with you, posted by Georgina on Aug 7, 2003

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Brazilophile
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« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to here it is !!!!!, posted by Aaron on Aug 7, 2003

"blacks during the days of slavery were allowed to keep their african customs, language, and music. because of this, they maintained a closer connection with their african roots. and are more unified as a people. "

That is only partly the case.  Blacks were NOT allowed to keep their religions.  Both Santaria and Condomble developed by "hiding" the animist gods of African religions behind the saints of the Catholic religion.  Specifically, the Ife religion was brought to Bahia, Brazil and its gods, the Orishas, became saints in Catholicism and are the Brazilian Orixas in Condomble.  If you go to Bahia, you can find more information on the correspondence between the Orixas and the Catholic saints.

In addition, the Brazilian "dance" called capoeira, was in reality an African martial art brought to Brazil by enslaved Africans and practised by them.  To hide its military purpose, some movements were stylized so it could be accepted as a non-threatening "dance" by the slave owners.


"also, keep in mind that spain as a colonial power of the day, ruled over latin america with policies of exploitation. "

This may be the biggest reason why race relations in SA and the US are so different.  The emancipation movements and the independence movements overlapped in SA.  As insurgents rebelled aginst Spain and Portugal and Simon Bolivar did his thing, slaves were also rebelling against their owners.  The biggest slave owners and the most powerful representatives of the colonial powers happened to be the same group of people.  The independence wars kicked them back to Europe.  Few of the remaining people were of the traditional ruling class.  As Aaraon stated, the majority poor of all races intermingled and intermarried.  In fact, slavery in SA was functionally ended in the years 1810-1840, with only 10-25% of the African population still enslaved, even though slavery officially stayed legal for several decades on.  Brazil officially ended slavery in 1888.  But that is a big contrast to the US where the independence movement started BEFORE slavery was well entrenched, so that the biggest slave owners were powerful leaders of an alrady independent US and not of a colonial power.  Between 95% and 98% of the African population in the US was still enslaved at the time of the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863.

History lesson over.

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DOMINGUIN
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« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: here it is !!!!!, posted by Brazilophile on Aug 7, 2003

Its a pleasant break to read a post from someone who actually lnows what they are talking about.  

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Aaron
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« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: here it is !!!!!, posted by Brazilophile on Aug 7, 2003

Yup, I knew about hiding African dieties by portraying them as Catholic Saints, and the history of Capoeira.

Good points.

Aaron

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Edge
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« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to here it is !!!!!, posted by Aaron on Aug 7, 2003

Aaron - my friend wants to post the message below.  At the present time he cannot post - I think he has applied for a password and apparently there is some type of "snafu".  His background is that he has lived for many many years in Central America and the Caribbean.  

Aaron says, "you ask a really good question. it is a
complex issue. what you will find in latin america, particularly in countries with a greater number of people of african descent, is that there is allot of mixing between races, between whites, indians, and blacks. this is true especially in cali, cartagena, barranquilla, santa marta, and san andres of colombia. there are other less travelled cities and places in colombia were there is still allot of racial mixing. there, it is to the point as a daily thing to see. very prevalent. you can see white men dating darker women or white women dating darker men as a preference."

I DON'T SEE ALOT OF WHITE WOMEN DATING DARKER MEN IN
LATIN AMERICA.

Aaron says, "also keep in mind, the history of slavery
in latin america was very different than in the usa.
blacks during the days of slavery were allowed to keep
their african customs, language, and music. because of
this, they maintained a closer connection with their
african roots. and are more unified as a people. also,
keep in mind that spain as a colonial power of the
day, ruled over latin america with policies of
exploitation. spain really didn't do much to
economically support the latin american colonies. so,
what started to occur was that the majority of spanish colonizers, if they were not rich, they remained in the lower social classes, and were poor. the latin american colonies were classist societies, and remanents of the classism from that era still exist today in latin america."

I say,  WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.  AFRICANS
DID NOT KEEP THEIR LANGUAGE.  NAME ME ONE AFRICAN
LANGUAGE WIDELY SPOKEN IN LATIN AMERICA.  THEY DID NOT
KEEP A CLOSER CONNECTION TO THEIR AFRICAN ROOTS,
RATHER, THEY HAD A GREATER INFLUENCE OVER THE CULTURE
IN GENERAL THAN IN THE USA.  WHY??  PROBABLY BECAUSE
MANY MORE SLAVES BOTH IN RAW NUMBERS AND PERCENTAGE OF
THE POPULATION WERE IMPORTED TO LATIN AMERICA.  ASK A
DOMINICAN WHO IS BLACK AND HE WILL TELL YOU THE
HAITAINS.  

THIS ENTIRE PARAGRAPH IS INCOHERENT GARBAGE.  THE
REASON THAT THE SPANIARDS MIXED AND MARRIED INDIAN AND
SLAVE WOMEN WAS BECAUSE THEY BROUGHT NO WOMEN OF THEIR
OWN.  RICH SPANISH SLAVE OWNERS WERE MUCH MORE LIKELY
TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE CREATION OF THE OF THE MULATTO
AND MESTISO PEOPLE THAN POOR WHITES.  HOW MANY WHITES
IN LATIN AMERICA WERE NOT EITHER 1) RICH  2) GRANTED
LAND THEN BECAME RICH  3)  SOLDIERS  4) CATHOLIC
MISSIONARIES    WHITES DID NOT IMMIGRATE EN MASSE TO
LATIN AMERICA LIKE THEY DID TO THE US, THEY IMMIGRATED
TO EXPLOIT THE RESOURCES BECOME VERY WEALTHY AND HAD
THE PROTECTION OF THE SPANISH MILITARY TO DO SO.  

so, this set the stage. what you had were classist
societies, with a few wealthy white settlers, and the
majority of whites in the lower classes, and are
poorer. then, you had the blacks who maintain their
african identity and indians who maintained their
indentity, too. many people believe that all the
indians were exterminated, but that is not true except
in certain places. in some locations, most of the
indian population was exterminated or assimilated due
to racial mixing. but, in colombia that is not the
case. there are still many regions of the country were
the indians are present. many of the people of cali
have indian blood, and many professional people
throughout the country are of indian descent.

WRONG!!   THE MAJORITY OF SPANIARDS WERE ALREADY
WEALTHY OR WERE SOLDIERES.  

HAVING INDIAN BLOOD AND BEING INDIAN ARE NOT THE SAME.
THE INDIANS HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CULTURE AND
ARE ISOLATED FROM THE MAINSTREAM CULTURE.  

now, back to the classist societies of latin american
colonies. keep in mind, that what usually happens when
you mix poor whites, blacks, and indians together.
THEY MIX AND INTER-MARRY. look at any low income
american community that has both whites and blacks.
you find that the community will have a high number of interracial relationships. what happen was that in these societies, the poorer people begin see the value of the person based upon his skills, ability, and resources. and they picked partners who could help them get by from day to day, regardless of the person's race. this kind of context allowed for racial mixing to be more acceptable. as opposed to the usa, where blacks were not allowed to even "think" about dating a white, and white males had their black concubines in the closet, and raped black women.

NO DUDE POOR WHITES DID NOT INTERMARRY WITH BLACKS AND
INDIANS.  WHITE SOLDIERS AND BUSINESSMEN WERE BONING
SLAVE AND INDIAN WOMEN.  

YOU ARE A COMPLETE NAIVE FOOL.  THE SPANIARDS RAPED
INDIAN WOMEN AND BLACK WOMEN LIKE NO TOMORROW.  THE
RESULTS OF RICH IS THE CURRENT "RACIAL" COMPOSITION OF
LATIN AMERICA.  AGAIN THE SPANIARDS DID NOT TAKE THEIR
WOMEN WITH THEM SO THEY TOOK WHAT WAS AVAILABLE.  

as more and more mixing took place, people begain to
see both the positive and negatives of a group of
people. for example, people began to see the positives
of the blacks and their culture, and this is how many
african customs, music, religion, and food became to
be assimilated in latin america.

SORRY BUD BUT I DON'T BELIEVE LATIN AMERICA EMBRACES "BLACKNESS", ON THE CONTRARY THEY DENY IT.  MARRYING A LIGHT SKIN PERSON IS "MEJORANDO LA RAZA".  SURELY YOU'VE HEARD OF THAT.  

now, with this all in mind, even though there was
mixing, there was and still is racism. however, there
in latin america it is of a different form. there
racism is based on classism; whereby most blacks and
indians are of the lower classes. there, the people of
the lower classes are usually meant to stay in their
place. in colombia they use the word NICHE, it is the
parallel of the word NIG*ER here in the usa. to
tranlate it literally, it means niche in english. it
was used to refer to blacks in colombia because they
were a group of people who were skilled workers, and
they had a niche to support themselves. what later
happened was that the blacks of colombia took the
word, and started to use it amongst themselves as a
term a endearment, just like black people in the usa
use the word nig*er as a term of endearment. so, in
colombia, sometimes blacks will refer to themselves as
"niche" or they'll say "negro or negrito". the most
popular colombian salsa group, which is from cali, is
called GRUPO NICHE. they're a group of mostly black
and indian musicians, and some whites. i met them
before in person. i went to their cali studios. they
will definitely tell you there is racism in colombia.
however, race mixing is very prevalent. also, you have
to keep in mind that since there has been so much
mixing between races, mostly everyone refer to each
other as "negro or negra" even if they have lighter
skin. they do that because they know that they are not
"pure white," but somewhere down the line in the
family history, there probably was some mixing. many
people make a big joke about it.

NEGRO OR NEGRA IS A TERM OF ENDEARMENT. HOWEVER,
BELIEVE ME IT DOES NOT REFLECT ANY DESIRE TO BE BLACK
I CAN GUARANTEE THAT.  

THEIR RACISM IS NOT JUST BASED ON CLASSISM.  ASK A
MAYAN INDIAN IN MEXICO OR GUATEMALA  IF THEY HAVE
EXPERIENCED RACISM.  RACSIM IS BASED ON CULTURAL
DIFFERENCES.  THAT IS WHY THE MAINSTREAM POPULATION IS
MORE UNIFIED BECAUSE THEY SHARE THE SAME CULTURE
COMPARED TO BLACK AND WHITE IN THE US.  HAVE YOU EVER
OVERHEARD A LATIN PERSON TALKING ABOUT A CHINO???  NO
MATTER WHAT ORIENTAL COUNTRY YOU ARE FROM, TO A LATINO
YOU WILL BE A CHINO.  

in colombian and other latin american countries were
the racism is based upon classism, what you find is
that people do not make up wild stereotypes about the
darker skinned people. not like what was done here,
where people would say "blacks are like monkeys, and
have tails."
no, you wont find much of that. there may be some, but
not allot. however, you will come across a general
mind set that darker skinned people are of the lower
classes, and "that is their place". however, for the
blacks that are more wealthy, they're are accepted by
most people, and they are respected. for the wealthier
blacks, that have more mobility, people tend to
respect them allot more.

SO IN THE USA YOU ARE SAYING ITS COMMON TO BELIEVE
BLACKS HAVE TAILS?Huh  

HOW MANY WEALTHY BLACKS DO YOU KNOW IN LATIN AMERICA
COMPARED TO THEIR NUMBERS IN THE GENERAL POPULATION?  
WHY DO YO THINK THIS IS THE CASE??   DUH!!!

in my experience with the women, i tend to like whiter
latinas. that is the majority of what i dated. some
were rich some were poor. i've had about 15 girl
friends. from what i have experienced, from the ones
that i've dated, many find darker skinned men very
attractive, and they preferred men from brown to tan
skin color. they didn't like the blonde, blue-eyed, or
very white skinned type of men. they just didn't like
it. they had their preferences. what they did like to
see was the constrast in the skin color when they were
with someone darker, and they were very out going
ladies. they loved to dance to tropical music and play
sports. they told me that most of the guys they met in
the agencies who liked to do the same things, and
would try it with them, had darker skin. they liked
that. on the other hand, on occasion you will find
some lighter ladies that prefer white guys. that's
fine. also, there are some darker skinned agency girls
that prefer white guys over black guys, and others
that want to meet only black guys. i'm black, and i
have no problem with getting dates with women of all
colors.

I'VE CERTAINLY HAD A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE THAN YOU.
I'VE KNOWN VERY FEW LATIN WOMEN THAT HAVE A PREFERENCE
FOR DARK SKINNED MEN.  THEY LOOOOOOVEE  BLONDES AND
BLUE EYES.  

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