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Author Topic: Calipro's ex now has a website  (Read 8994 times)
Ted
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« on: July 10, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

check it out. She's a porno star now. I could be wrong but it sure looks like her.

http:\www.luciatovar.com

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Calipro
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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Calipro's ex now has a website, posted by Ted on Jul 10, 2003

Pictures of my latest trip to Cali will be coming right up as so as I get back to the states:)
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Mark33
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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to I will let you guys cry for me., posted by Calipro on Jul 12, 2003

Calipro,
       I hope you've learned there are certain girls you have a great time with and ones you marry. Please allow yourself to have fun for years to come with all of the hotties. I don't think your ready to settle down yet. DO NOT allow any woman to lead you into a permamnent relationship unless you feel in your heart that she would be with you if you had nothing.
    By the way, I thought your ex was really hot.  did'nt think the implants looked as bad as some thought. Also nothing wrong with her body,rear end or face.Beautiful even skin tone,no stretch marks,or cellulite.
I would hate to have a website with all of the members of this boards pictures on it for women to look at and critique. Most of us  would not be able to handle it.
  You are lucky enough to live the dream of men everywhere. Just look at things realistically and understand many of the young women you will involve yourself with,will be self centered attention seekers,looking for a free ride. If you can understand that, you can have a great time without letting your heart get involved.
Mark
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Pete E
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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to I will let you guys cry for me., posted by Calipro on Jul 12, 2003

Thats the spirit,get up,dust  yourself off and find another one.Nothing better than a new sweetie to make you forget the old one.And fortunately we have Colombia where this is very possible.
Beats the hell out of whining over the lost one.

Pete

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Pete E
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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Calipro's ex now has a website, posted by Ted on Jul 10, 2003

She'll beat you if she's able.The queen of hearts is always your best friend.
Young hottie trying to market her charms.Seems like you're in for a sure divorce unless you can keep ahead of her.If you want a short term screw and a goodby this is the kind of girl to pick.And she doesn't look that great to me.Not much of a butt,even though she brags it up, and if the boobs are implants she didn't have all that much to start with.
Its a good idea to try and find out the motivation of a girl for coming here.Except for possible costs because of the marriage I guess Calipro is just out some time.I don't get the impression he is heartbroken.
So do you want a temporary playmate or a wife?Each guy has to decide.If you're not carefull you can slip in to just screwing around.

Pete

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Mark33
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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Don't you try the Queen of diamonds boy ..., posted by Pete E on Jul 11, 2003

Pete,
    No man, not even Calipro gets married to a hot young girl and just figures he is "out some time" when she leaves. If any guy wants to have a relationship with hot young girls,they do not have to marry her for that. He can just play around,buy her gifts ect. It is much cheaper and much less complicated in the long run than to marry her and bring her to the U.S.
   But try as he may, to act like it does not matter when a woman leaves,it does. Look at all the crap he put up with from his ex before he finally let her go. If he was just in for a good time,he would have left as soon as he found out she had a boyfriend. But he stuck around through all of the death threats till he realized she was still in love with her ex,and planning to use Calipro for a green card.(What a suprise!!!)
 He is still hoping for a lasting relationship with a woman who is way too young. He will probably try to keep the next one out of the U.S. in order to insure she does not wise up real quick and leave.
  I think a lot of men are in denial when it comes to really hot young girls. They feel there is somehow something special about them that will make her stick around. Unfortunately, the special thing about him is usually the money he provides. Once that is gone, or she feels she can find a way to bigger money(new rich husband,dancer,porn girl,better education ect) she will be gone.
   So I think if you are really in search of love, it helps to take the blinders off and be realistic about the type of woman who would be really into you even if you had nothing.
  I have seen  many guys push the envolope on looks and youth, But they eventually learn  it can become a full time job to keep her happy.
    Yesterday, I was at the ice cream shop when a very cute latina walked in with a much older gringo. She was perhaps no more than 19-20. He was at least 50. Anyway,she was wearing a wedding ring and so was he. I assumed they were married.
He kept massaging her shoulders the whole time they were on line,and touching her. She had her arms crossed and looked somehow irritated. When they walked to the table,he tried to kiss her and she quickly gave him the cheek. I kind of felt sorry for the guy,because I could tell this girl was not into him at all. But she was into the guy at the next table with a tatoo on his upper arm. She kept looking sideways and smiling at that guy whenever her husband was not looking.
   I wanted to smack the husband on the head and tell him to wake up.
            Mark
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Jersey Mike
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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Don't you try the Queen of diamonds ..., posted by Mark33 on Jul 11, 2003

The website referenced above should be a wake-up call and warning to those men who buy into the illusion/fantasy sold by the agencies that a hot, young woman from these countries is just looking for a good, decent guy (regardless of looks, money and age) to marry them and take care of them, and that they don't care about money or material matters, and that they will be faithful to their new husband above all!  

Personally, my biggest reservation about bringing any foreign-born woman to the U.S. is that she will have unrealistic expectations about life here, and will quickly become dissatisfied about the lifestyle that can be offered by most men.  I have witnessed too many women (granted, most were from the FSU) who seemed nice when they first arrived here, and became ultra-b**ches after all the attention they received from the men here.  After growing up being treated like dirt by men from their home countries, they learn how to get anything they want from guys here with relative ease, and many become worse than any AW.  It appears that some latinas develop this attitude as well.

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Pete E
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Don't you try the Queen of diamo..., posted by Jersey Mike on Jul 11, 2003

There are attractive women looking for a good husband,as the agencies say.But beware the "hot" ones that seem stuck on themselves.Some very attractive women are humble and sincere.
Better to go for character and attractive enough than pick a girl that seems more flirtacious and worldly.This is the number one dilema,picking the right one.But you can get caught in the game of get the absolutely best looking one and ignore the warning signs.Choosing a little older girl,maybe 25 plus is also probably a better bet.But I know guys that found very good looking ones under 25 that turned out to be good wives and no trouble.
I think some people just have a homing device to trouble girls.If you get stuck in the superficial you are taking a big risk.
I'll say it again.The really good girls you can tell right away.With the others your risk goes way up.But even with the really good girls you need to check out their feelings for you.Even a good girl will sometimes marry a guy she is not totally in love with.
Let the shopper beware,or it can haunt you.
For every horror story there are loads of red flags.Ignore them at your peril.

Pete

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Jersey Mike
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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Don't you try the Queen of d..., posted by Pete E on Jul 11, 2003

Pete,
Yeah, it's definately 'Buyer beware' with the hot ones - you are practically asking for trouble.  But I also agree with your comment, "Even a good girl will sometimes marry a guy she is not totally in love with."  A guy can do everything right, take his time, avoid red flag girls, and still end up with a woman who has no feelings for him, or whose feelings change dramatically after a relatively short period of time.

My personal opinion is that it takes an exceptional woman not to be influenced by all the flattering attention they will receive here.  And I am not necessarily talking about the knockouts.  Women of average beauty in Cali will certainly stand out here in NJ/NYC area, and the guys here will be hitting on them constantly.  I am convinced this has an effect on a woman's attitude about themselves and their husband and their marriage, and generally it is not a good effect.

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Pete E
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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: "Even a good girl will ..."..., posted by Jersey Mike on Jul 12, 2003

A guy should take his time to determine the feelings the
woman has for him.This could change over time when she gets here,but if she really does have strong feelings for you it should last.
The problem is the woman may have strong feelings for the opportunity more than for you,but it might look like feelings for you.Not only will she be affected by her new increased desirability here but the value of what you have given her by bringing her here can just be presumed as something she now has.So here she is with the desirabilty plus all the benefits of living here.You already gave it to her.She doesn't need to get it from you any longer.You are now much less valued.You represented a great opportunity which she now has.If she doesn't really love you it would require gratitude for what you already did to have this be of value.Gratitude as a motivation can wear thin  over time.It doesn't hug back in the middle of the night.
So,the solution?Either get one you are very sure has strong feelings for you,or perhaps live in Colombia where she does not become spoiled by her new status.
Do you sense this being a little auto biographical?You are right.The 2 basic rules are make sure you are getting a good girl and make sure she loves you.I was so sure of number one I  presumed number two.

Pete

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jim c
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« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: "Even a good girl will ...&..., posted by Pete E on Jul 12, 2003

Hi Pete

  Please don't go there.

    Sometimes we all feel neglected.  Slights and neglect are often the results of what is going on only at the moment and usually are not meant to be permanent injuries. I am aware,when you are the one slighted it seems like the end of the world.  Dwelling on these events can give them  more power and they can become enormous. Discussing them with others, who are not involved, gives them credence and more importance.
  My loving lawyer ex wife used to say there are three sides to a story, his side, her side and the truth. We see the truth from our own perspective and slights should be discussed with the persons who created them. In my opinion to discuss these slights with others only re-enforces one person's position and solidifys resistance to compromise and understanding between the parties involved.
   The responses received here are from people who only know one of the sides. But the poster gets the internal message "see I knew I was right and she dosn't love me ". This is why I am against bringing personal problems here. Personal problems need to be discussed with the people involved or professionals who hear both sides and are skilled in moving the parties into acceptance of what is really going on. They do not re-enforce individual perception.
  Another reason I have against public revelations here, is that most relationships are built on trust and the mutual belief that privacy is sacred. I think that most wives and girlfriends expect that we not discuss our lives together with others. I know we all need to vent, but I believe that venting should be constructive while there is a chance to save a relationship. If someone wants to call her a greenscard shark after she has left him that is venting. Discussing ongoing relationships with strangers is looking for validation. suerte JIM

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lswote
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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Re: "Even a good girl will ..., posted by jim c on Jul 12, 2003

[This message has been edited by lswote]

Jim, I agree with you but I also disagree with you.  I agree that in many cases, discussing personal relationships with strangers can reinforce problems that may not even be there.  But on the other hand, sometimes discussing issues with the right audience can give a different perspective.  And despite your past remarks about how you are just as likely to get good advice from strangers at the airport as you are from members of this board, I don't agree with you on that assessment (at least not with every member on this board.  There are some members I would agree with that assessment of, but definitely not all) and think we as a group here have shared insights because of our experience with Latin women that are different than the average American male.

I think assuming your partner is going to have a certain amount of gratitude towards you is a normal part of the circumstances for most of us who marry Latin women.  Hell I had it with my first wife who was an American because she had three young children who weren’t receiving any help from their natural father and I raised them as my own.  But as I found out with her you can’t make it a fundamental part of the relationship.  When you get a mindset that you are somehow entitled to something from a person because of something you have done for them, it moves the relationship out of mutual caring and respect and into reciprocation.  You get the attitude “I did this for you, now what are you going to do for me?”.

While it isn’t wrong to realize that you may have helped your wife by marrying her and bringing her to the US, nothing good will come of focusing on it.  I know I have been tempted to think I had done a very good thing by assuming all the hospital bills for my wife’s recent illness and sometimes want to bring it up to my wife to bolster our relationship.  But I have found she is far more impressed with me when I watch TV with her with my arm around her or give her a back massage or make her a snack of fresh mango or melon than when I try to remind her how good I was for accepting the hospital bills.

Pete, I think you just need to stop focusing on what you have done for your wife and start focusing on what you can do for your wife.  Shake things up with her a bit if you have to.  Watch her Spanish novellas with her on TV sometimes (I do with my wife for a half hour or so many evenings).  Make her something she likes to eat.  Tell her how beautiful she is.  Talk to her about her day.  Do things NOW to encourage the relationship, don’t expect it to grow on what you did for her on the past.

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jim c
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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: "Even a good girl w..., posted by lswote on Jul 14, 2003

Great concepts Izzy and Scum.

    How does the song go? "Try one thousand ways". To expect a reward or recognition for a good deed takes the "good" out, because of the expectation of repayment. One should get greater pleasure from giving a great Christmass present than the expectation of what present you will receive in return. I found also in my relationship with A Calena not to expect overt thanks. I think these issues come under the unconditional love catagory. No one likes to owe anybody anything. It can be uncomfortable JIM

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surfscum
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« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: "Even a good girl w..., posted by lswote on Jul 14, 2003

I can't remember who said this, but it was explained to me that when you do something for a woman, it's a point.  If you bring her flowers, that's a point.  If you rescue her from a burning building, that's a point. No matter how big, expensive or difficult it is, it's only worth one point to the woman. Then, sometime in the night, those points are erased and you start over the next day.

Now, the men don't think that way and are left scratching their heads wondering how the great deed they did last week/month/whatever could be forgotten (What is she, French?) So the men end up feeling hurt because they are not getting what they think is the appropriate reponse to their efforts.  

Loving our wives is something we do daily, consciously, actively by choice. But to live and love that way requires taking the focus off ourselves and this feels like a sacrifice.

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lswote
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« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to One point at a time, posted by surfscum on Jul 14, 2003

Yep, you got that point thing right.  And another thing I am learning is that doing the same thing in one situation will earn you points while in another it won't.  My wife loves flowers but can never get past the fact they cost so much in the US compared to Colombia.  So when we go grocery shopping and I put cut flowers in the shopping cart she always says they are too expensive and has me put them back.  But I have learned lately that if I stop by the supermarket on the way home from work and buy those same flowers that she said were too expensive (or even nicer more expensive ones), and just give them to her when I walk in the door, invariably she is delighted with the flowers and never says a peep about them being too expensive, even though I don't even bother to remove the price tag.  Presenting the flowers as a gift to her instead of part of our grocery goods makes all the difference in the world.
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