Excellent Topics....

[may10]

pre-nup......George Carlin.....*S*

Sure gave some of us an idea of how some of you gentlemen feel about some very important issues.  And, for that....a BIG thank you.

Ooopppsss....by the way,  you know?....pre-nup is really nothing.  Just a paper that tells a woman what a lousy choice she made on a man to fall in love with.  *S*

[Bear]

... in response to Excellent Topics...., posted by may10 on Jun 5, 2001

I stayed out of that discussion.  I can not think of a reason for me or most of the people I know that would have  for a pre-nup.  Seems to put all the pressure on the other party.  

Bear

[Dave H2O]

... in response to Excellent Topics...., posted by may10 on Jun 5, 2001

Hey May,

How did you get to be so wise? *S*

Dave H.

[Lori]

... in response to Excellent Topics...., posted by may10 on Jun 5, 2001

Hmmm... I thought pre-nups were only for millioneres who wanted to keep and protect all their toys.
mIf I ever had a pre-nump made out, I don't know what I'd put in it. Maybe I'd say that if he divorced me that he would u have to stay in his kids lives or else he would have to have a tatoo perminatly put on his forhead u stating " I Am A Major Loser"

[Jay]

... in response to LOL!!, posted by Lori on Jun 5, 2001

n/t

[cc]

... in response to LOL!!, posted by Lori on Jun 5, 2001

Hey, what a cool idea!!!

[Patrick]

... in response to Excellent Topics...., posted by may10 on Jun 5, 2001

Prenuptial agreements are a very emotionally charged topic and I'm afraid most guys respond to these discussions in an emotional way.  I don't see much logic or informed opinions coming from the guys who vehemently support them.  The bottom line is that anyone interested in them should discuss it with an attorney specializing in family law.  When you learn the details of what they can and can't do in your particular case and state of residence, you can make a rational decision as to whether it's something you want to pursue.  My own opinion is that a bit of mysogeny comes out of the closet in these discussions.  I wish those supporting them with such ferver would divulge the details of exactly what they want one for rather than just spouting the same ole line, "She's not going to use ME for a free ride!"

[humabdos]

... in response to Re: Excellent Topics...., posted by Patrick on Jun 5, 2001

First off I don't know a thing about pre-nups. If I ever re marry I'm not so sure I will even get a pre-nup. The bottem line is this: I don't want to be drug through court again for no good reson. My wife didn't have any chance what so ever of getting what she ask for.  The oregon divorce laws are quite clear. First there is a presumption of equal contribution in a Oregon marriage. I "rebutted the presumption of equal contribution by proving I paid for the house with money I had coming to me way before we were married. Even though I bought the house two years after we were married she never helped with the bills or house payments even though she worked full time for 95% of our marriage. Yes I ask her to help but she got mad and had a fit. In the divorce she ask for half of the equidy in my house ($15,000) Half of the furniture (which I paid for) The car which my mother gave me, $400 amonth support for two years. Well after consulting many attorneys all of them telling me she would be lucky to get anything I dicided to fight her. After all it was her who left me to cheat with her best friends boy friend just after getting her green card. I NEVER was abusive to her. This was a matter of principle! Why should I give her anything? She lied , cheated on me and split right after getting her green card!

Well the Judge took a look at all this and was not happy about her gold digging ways! Yes it cost me $15,000 and yes to me this is a lot of money! I don't know about you patrick...

My pre nup would say that in the event of divorce both parties will agree to have things setteled by a neutral third party arbitrator following oregon guide lines on property division. NO attorneys!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry stefen)

That's all there would be no gold digger clause or you don't get anything  blab blab blab..

Now you tell me whats wrong with not wanting to spend your life savings on some scum bag attorney fighting some frivoless divorce suit?   And don't start spouting the same old line you gave before patrick! LOL he he he

P. S.  I bet you would sing a diffrent tune if god forbidd it ever happend to you! Sir Patrick

[Patrick]

... in response to OK Patrick  here you go.., posted by humabdos on Jun 5, 2001

You need to check with an attorney in your area to see if you can do this.  I suspect it may still be possible to contest, but only a lawyer familiar with Oregon law can give you any definitive answer.  What if either you or her disagree with what the arbitrator comes up with?  If the lawyers in your area operate the same way they do here in San Diego, you should be able to discuss this over the phone briefly with them for free.  You should post the results of your conversations after finding out.   Then we could be having rational, informative discussions rather than the same old emotional arguments that go back and forth constantly.

Don't get me wrong, I've seen plenty of guys royally screwed in divorces and it makes my blood boil when I start hearing the feminist line that the man has to pay his wife for her years of service as a domestic worker via alimony.  From what I've seen, a lot of women ride their man's coat tails when they can not because they're sacrificing their careers, but rather because they never had any ambition in the first place and want to stay home.  If the man has to pay alimony, then my opinion is that the woman should continue cooking and cleaning for him!  That's an emotional argument that just seems fair to me, but the law is another matter, and that's all that counts when it comes down to it.

I've seen the other side as well.  My sister married a lazy bum when she was young.  She had a baby and went back to work soon after to help keep a roof over their heads.  Meanwhile he was out fooling around with a waitress from the restaurant he worked in and left my sister to raise a son as a single mother.  He later married a high powered career woman with money but paid very little child support and only when his wages were garnished.  He even quit a job as a maintainence man with Boeing (his best job ever) at one point to avoid paying child support.  It was all of $150 per month!  Now he takes vacations to Fiji with his new wife and kid and ignores his first son, who I'm supporting through college.  A true dirt bag.  It's not just women who take advantage, though in this day and age the deck may be stacked in their favor by the legal system.

[may10]

... in response to Excellent Topics...., posted by may10 on Jun 5, 2001

when one falls in love....one doesn't think of being safe financially...getting insured or whatever...

Love just happens and when it does then you just trust God and that other person.  *S*

[humabdos]

... in response to ...&  1 more very important thing, posted by may10 on Jun 5, 2001

Amen to that! Your "one of a kind"  May! If all women were as sweet as you there would be no need for pre nups or divorce!  Humabdos

[may10]

... in response to Re: ...&  1 more very important thin..., posted by humabdos on Jun 5, 2001

you are #1 of those in favor of pre-nup?  *S*