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dw
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« on: October 20, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

Has anyone put an ad in the papers in Colombia and if so what was the response? Also what is the cost of this and how would I go about doing it? Thanks for the help..
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Nelson Grisales
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« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Newspaper, posted by dw on Oct 20, 2001

Hi Dw,

If you send an email I will send you detailed information about our Newspaper Adds. We place an average of 3 adds per month for our clients, so we have vast experience in this field.

My email is nelson@laintro.com

Nelson Grisales
Latin American Introductions
http://www.laintro.com

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El Diablo
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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Newspaper, posted by dw on Oct 20, 2001

I put an ad in El Pais in April or May of 2000.  I ran it on several weekends, had a friend screen the calls and got about 50 responses.   I was specific about what I was looking for but kept the words to a minimum as much as possible.  I was trying to advertise to a different group of women -- not agency Calenas -- but by and large the response was from Cali agency women which was not my hope.  I don't remember how much it cost but it wasn't more than 20 or 30 bucks, at least that's my recollection.

I'm in Cali for another week or so.  If anyone wants an ad placed in El Pais, it's pretty simple and even I can do it. (-:  Just send me an email with the understanding that you'd reimburse me for the cost when I return to the States.  I'd suggest an email address or something like what Rueben has done as a way for the ladies to respond.

El Diablo

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pack
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Newspaper, posted by dw on Oct 20, 2001

about two years ago i put an ad in the cali paper, i got a few responses but not the number i was expecting. i never found even one girl i was interested in the paper. just go to cali and sit in front of the theater area of the mall...hundreds of babes!!!!
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Patrick
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Newspaper, posted by pack on Oct 20, 2001

I think your response rate is typical.  We've done this for a few men in the past with similar results.  Even fairly young professionals did not receive anywhere near what Ruben expects (200-300 responses per ad).

However, having a personal web page with your ad on the internet and publishing the URL in the paper may generate a better response assuming the man is at least somewhat attractive and not asking for the moon, i.e. "55 year-old K-Mart security guard with brand new false teeth seeks 22 year-old model for sex and house cleaning".

The ads we placed for several men typically generated 20-50 or so responses for a run of several weeks (publishing on weekends only) in either El Pais or El Tiempo.

We actually thought about switching over to this mode of operation, but the disappointing results coupled with the difficulty of proving the ad was publlished including all publication dates changed our minds.

About 7 years ago I placed ads in three Mexican cities and at the peak was receiving around 30 responses per day.  I don't know how it would have turned out if the ad were correct. The service that placed the ads made an "error" (I suspect it was a tactic) in hair and eye color saying I had blond hair and blue eyes.  I actually have light brown hair and hazel eyes.  The days of those kinds of responses are apparently over though.  I don't know why, but it's much tougher now.  Perhaps there's just more competition.

I like the idea Ruben had of putting up a personal web page with your photos and profile then publishing the URL in the newspapers.

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Richard
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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Newspaper, posted by Patrick on Oct 20, 2001

I placed an add in Ukraine (I'm from the Russian Board.)  I received 40 responses to my add and I liked one of the women enough that I went back to spend two weeks her.  It has turned into a serious relationship.  I would not rule out placing an advertisement - you don't know where that someone special will appear.

I also understand that there is no guarantee - someone else who place an add at the same time and newspaper got only one response.  I often see people (at least on the Russian Board) talk about not putting all of your eggs in one basket so to speak.  This is another basket to put some of your eggs in.  It may  work out, it may not work out.

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Cali vet
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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Newspaper, posted by Patrick on Oct 20, 2001

Patrick, what kind of elitist c**p age bias s**t was that?! This site is for guys who use the agencies and other resources to find a wife right? Well at those agencies I've met guys from all walks of life including some who really scrape to make the trip to Colombia. Yeh and there's plenty of older guys who hook up quite successfully with 22 year old women, that b*ther you? Maybe you should shift your efforts over to a site for the 90210 crowd!
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Patrick
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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Newspaper, posted by Cali vet on Oct 20, 2001

I've seen it all in this business and the 55 year-old K-Mart security guard who wants a 22 year-old babe exists. It's totally unrealistic.  Nothing elitist about it, it's simply a comment on how unrealistic some guys are.

Are you saying it's realistic for a 55 year-old K-Mart security guard (in bad shape) who scrapes his money together for a single trip to be looking for the 22 year-old model?  I think that's giving a bad message to the guys reading this board and encourages them to do something that will not be good for them (or the ladies).

I also saw a mid-40s guy in a wheel chair who wanted a wife in her early 20s who liked wearing bikinis around the house and would watch XXX movies with him.

If you think its realistic for these type men to be pursuing beautiful young women, then you yourself are not realistic.  I'm not saying they shouldn't be in this, I'm just saying they need to be realistic.  There's way too much agency hype out there and at best it's a waste of a man's time and money to pursue a beautiful early-twenties woman unless he's got a lot going for him.  If they do succeed, I believe it's too high a risk that the marriage will turn out badly (I've seen it happen).  I don't mean the men have to be attractive "financially" either, I mean in terms of their total attractiveness to a woman they have to be somewhere near them.  You can't buy love and there's nothing elitist about that, it's just common sense.

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Aaron
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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Nonsense, posted by Patrick on Oct 20, 2001

Patrick,

Good points!!!!! I think all gentlemen involved in this pursuit should have realistic expectations. Just because these women are coming from countries that may not be as econimically and socially stable as the US, does not mean that they will do just about anything or marry anybody to get here.

Patrick, I have a question for you about the correspondence method (i.e., writing letters). I hope you can respond to me when you can. I have been to Colombia, Panama, and Costa Rica before. I'm 27. Right now, I have been fortunate enough to work on a Ph.D. in the north east of the US. Because of my studies and work, I haven't been able to find the time to return to Colombia. I don't expect to return there for a couple of years, unless I meet a woman through correspondence that I become seriously interested in. Do you think correspondence would be a good approach for me to use for the time being? I tried the correspondence approach before, but I met a girl that was writing other men while she and I were writing. By the time I was ready to go and visit her, she got engage to a guy that she had been writing for nine months. They got engage the first time they initially met, which was about 3 weeks before I was going to visit her. Needless to say, I travelled to a different city to meet others. That experience made me kind of skeptical of the correspondence method. The next time I correspond with someone initially through letters and phone calls, I will not be too eager to invest allot of money too quickly with phone calls, gifts, and plane tickets for visiting. I think it would be best for a long period of writing and calling "each other" first.

Thanks,
Aaron  

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Patrick
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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Nonsense, posted by Aaron on Oct 21, 2001

I would not advise corresponding with only one lady and not at all if your schedule does not allow you to visit within a fairly short period of time.  I wouldn't push correspondence beyond 6 months before a meeting.  You should also strictly avoid sending any money or substantial gifts whatsoever until AFTER you've met in person.

I think correspondence should be used to give you a period of time to discover potential differences that would make you and the lady incompatible and to weed out those who are looking for a quick marriage (they generally don't want to carry on through correspondence if they're out to marry quickly).  There's also quite a few of the younger ladies who are into this more to go out on the town with visiting gringos for some fun than to marry someone.  Not too many of those ones are into writing someone.  They usually frequent the on-site agencies.

I don't know, maybe you could correspond and keep it cheap.  No more than one call per week, no gifts, and if you find some ladies who seem honest and compatible, you could make a visit.  You might want to consider writing to ladies from some place that's not inundated with agencies and tons of gringos visiting every month.

Ruben had a great idea with the personal web page and publishing your own advertisements in the lady's country with the URL and your email address.  That would allow you to pick any place where there's a substantial population and not many (or any) gringos visiting.  We were advertising in Quito, Ecuador a while back with fairly good results, so I know there's interest among the ladies there.  The newspaper we were using stopped accepting agency ads though, so we were not able to continue.  That's an area you might want to consider trying.  You won't have much competition for the ladies from other gringos there and you'll be more assured that if a lady is interested in you, she won't be getting married three weeks before you intend to arrive for a visit.

Una cosa mas, si no estas estudiando espaņol ahorita, debes empesar inmediatemente.  Si puedes publicar tus propios anuncios en los periodicos, no necesitas una agencia para corresponder con las mujeres Latinas.

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pack
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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: corresponding, posted by Patrick on Oct 21, 2001

excellent advice!
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Aaron
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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: corresponding, posted by Patrick on Oct 21, 2001

Buenas Patrick,

Mil gracias por tu ayuda. Estude espanol dos anos durante colegio y para un ano en la universidad. Porque de mis estudios profesionales, no tengo mucho tiempo a estudiar la idioma ahora. Pero, hablo y escribo mas o menos. Tambien, tengo las ventajas tener muchos amigos de Americana Latina.
Me ayudan aprender sobre la cultura de diferente paisas y la idioma.

One thing that I would like to say is that it is hard for me now. I would love to be travelling and looking for the right girl. I know of all the possibilities there, but I have my professional obligations right now.

Another thing that I would like to say is that I consider myself a decent guy and a good catch. I'm not trying to be conceited, but I have a nice personality just like many other people, many people say I'm handsome, I have good morals and values, and come from a very good family of open minded people. Many of the girls I have met through the agencies in Colombia liked me. However, they didn't want to wait 2 or 3 years before marriage. I would tell them that I wanted to have a relationship and get to know them, but I did not want to get married any earlier than 2 years. I guess they took this as I wasn't really interested in them or something like that. So, they dropped me. Now look, I don't want to sound elitist or put people down, but I'm studying to be a psychologist and I will have my degree in 1 more year. My profession will enable me to bring home a nice penny, which will open the door to many opportunities for me and my wife, and our families. I was totally baffled when many of the girls who were in their early tweenties skipped over me, but went for a guy that was way older than them, but just so happen to propose to them within weeks of initially meeting. When looking at the careers and earning potential of some of those guys, not to mention poor attitudes and other baggage, many of them were not much better off than the run of the mill "K-mart security guard." Case in point, that girl that got engaged just before I arrived to visit her, well she herself had an undergraduate degree in psychology. She was 24 and I was 25 at the time. However, the guy that she got engaged to was a part time security guard and voluntary fireman. That's what she told me. She told me that the guy had lived with 4 other guys in an apartment just to be able to pay the bills. She also told me that the guy wanted to marry her, and bring her to the US, but he didn't want to travel back to Colombia to spend time with her family to get to know them better. I kept in contact with her, and I think she eventually married him. However, she wanted to come to the east coast with her husband to visit me after they had gotten married. I told her to buzz off. After that, I realized that she was nothing but a green card shark. However, it took me a couple hundred dollars in phone calls and gifts to discover this. Really, I got off easy if you think about how bad it could have been.

Another thing is this. I really like travelling to Latin America, but I realize that when I finish my degree and start working, I wont have the time to travel as much as I would like. So, I think I should really do some soul searching about what I want during this dormant period. I should decide about whether or not I want to just meet allot of girls, travel around, and have some fun. Or, if I want to meet a really nice girl for a serious relationship and marriage. I came to the conclusion that once I return back to Cali, meeting many girls for just having fun would be a waste of my time and money. However, if I go back with the right intentions of finding a potential wife, then it is definitely worth it.

For now, until I return, I have decided to date some latinas here in the states. I know of one girl, and it seems she has many of the qualities that I am looking for in a woman.

Chao,
Aaron

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Keith Smith
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« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: corresponding, posted by Aaron on Oct 21, 2001

Aaron, THAT WAS WHOA!!! Seriously, I don't think that there's anything wrong with written correspondence. However, you must know who you are dealing with. For example, about four years ago, I had been writing to a young lady living in Ecuador. We wrote to each other for about two months. In her final letter, she had ask me to buy her a computer printer. The cost of this printer: ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS. I wrote to her one last time informing her that I was terminating the correspondence. Another young lady (from the Philipines) had asked me to send her money to pay for her education (yet, she never sent a photo of herself. FOR ALL I KNOW, IT COULD HAVE BEEN A MAN). Obviously, I did not respond and I never did hear from this person again. Next month, I will returning to Cali for eight days. However, prior to my return, I plan on sending letters to several ladies currently living there. Will this give them time to respond? Of course not. I just want to let them know that I'm on my way there and if possible, I would like to meet them. As for the green card sharks, I feel as though many of them can be spotted (too anxious to get married quickly, etc.). I avoid them as much as I can (I've met quite a few of them in Colombia, D.R. and Honduras). Nevertheless, I enjoy the travel and meeting new people. I still say that one of these foreign ladies will be my future wife. I must take my time, just like other men. Take care. PEACE.
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Aaron
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« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Re: corresponding, posted by Keith Smith on Oct 21, 2001

Keith,

What's up? I hope you have good luck this time. Be as careful as you can. Give me some feedback on Cali. How has the city been lately? Have you gone to the discotech Shango in Juanchito? I can remember the last time I was there. I went dancing with four older ladies, about in their 30's, with another Colombian guy, and a younger girl. I wasn't trying to date any of the women. I only wanted to go dancing. However, one of the ladies who was a really nice, but heavy set, liked me. She was very outgoing and fun. She reminded me of some of my aunts here in the states. She invited me to go out with her and her friends. We all took a cab. All 6 of us in the same ride. We went dancing Salsa on a Sunday night until 5 a.m. I got so drunk, and I had to catch my plane to return back to the states at 7 in the morning. They brought me back to the agency. And the lady that liked me gave me a good bye kiss. Needless to say, I made it back home safely. This was at the Palace in C.J. in June of 2000. Keith, I don't know if you're a latin music lover, but I am. If you get a chance, and if you haven't done so already, buy some music by Grupo Niche and Orquestra Guayacan. Those brathas jam!!!

Fuerte,
Aaron

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Keith Smith
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« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: corresponding, posted by Aaron on Oct 21, 2001

Aaron, I will definitely be careful on my return to Cali. It's not very likely that I will be staying at an agency. However, if I change my mind, I will stay at Ricardo's (All Colombian Girls) for about 4 days. I heard that it's the hottest agency in Cali right now. Nevertheless, I still want to see where these ladies' heads are at. That's why I want to write to them first. Don't get me wrong, I'm in no rush to get married, but having a girlfriend (who really loves me) would be nice. By the way, when it comes to Latin artists, my favorites are Oro Solido, Chichi Peralta, Zafra Negra, and (I dare say it) Chayanne. Take care.
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