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Febtember
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« on: March 24, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »

Hi Peter,
You should dump your fiancee ASAP.Upon reading your post I can tell that she's only using you for money and beside she lied too that's a very big red flag.The amount she mention really excessive and unnecesary.2,000 pesos for shoes thats too high maybe she choose to buy shoes with brand since theres you who give that to her.She can buy less than 500 pesos shoes.180 per day medicine maybe 180 for 10 days.2,000 recollection fee that's too high.I remember before I came here I do my retreat (St.Ignatian retreat)I fee 700 pesos for 6 days retreat ,I think recollection is free if not,not  that high.And she ask you some allowance too for her snack wow to be true I don't like her doing that.We can see the writting in the wall that she's only using you peter.She love you because of your money.
My husband once send me big amount of money before we meet and leave another big amount of money after we meet but I never use it for personal need.I use it for processing of papers,marriage class,and some travel expenses(went to cebu for cfo seminar,he pay for my retreat too in Iloilo).I am very independent woman I not use of being supported financially by someone.I have to work in order to eat and let my niece finish college.I give up my job when I decided to meet my fiancee now husband.Good thing I receive resignation fee in company I work with so I been able to make my niece finish her bachelor degree.I don't like spending my fiancees money for personal need so I work hard in order to support myself.I feel shy with my mom too,i don't want her to work hard  for me in order to feed me so I have to feed  myself.Our nieghbor never understand what I'm doing because they all thought that since I have american fiancee I just sit in our house and relax.After my fiancee return home from philippines everyday I go to the ocean looking for sea shells and sell it to our nieghbor so at least I have money come everyday.I went fishing too but I never sell the fish instead eat them.My fiancee once told me that the money he give me were mine because his the reason why I quit my job but I feel it's not mine since i'm not working on it.I live on rice seashell,and fish everyday after my fiancee return home.The money I earn from collecting seashells were the one I use to buy rice.I have pretty good life before I meet my fiancee but give it all up because of him.I can buy whatever I want before I meet him because its my money.I even escape meals in order to save money,my mom very much upset when she know it because I usually escape meal when I'm not home.My brother was all shock to see me in manila because I look very thin I am chubby before (my brother a seaman, by the time of my  visa interview  he still live in manila waiting for job on the ship) .I loss
many pounds.I feel really embarass to spend money which not mine.I wiegh 104lbs.when I arrive here.I'm tiny but I'm huge now since I never escape meals anymore.I'm having good life here in america.I eat not rice only but beef,chicken and and all american good food.Until now I don't have even dime in my pocket.My husband give me money  but I return it back to him since I don't need money here, my husband give me and buy me everything I want.I have nothing to ask more for him he give me everything.I am my husband barber the money I earn from  him goes on my phonebills.Raquel
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Mita
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« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to for Peter Lee, posted by Febtember on Mar 24, 2003

Peter, what Feptember writes is very true.  You will find that a lot of men who married Filipinas have talked about their thriftiness.  We are naturally like that, especially when it comes to our own families.  Pride is also a big thing with Filipina women - the right one of course.  It's demeaning to be counting centavos and being accountable to our boyfirend, fiance or husabnd so we might as well earn our own keep.  
Another thing you have to consider about some people, they have it so hard they can and will resort to anything to make a buck.  Family in the Philippines is not confined to you,your wife and your kids unlike here in the US.  Family obligations can extend to aunts, uncles, cousins....just a big mess.  
On the other hand, I've heard of stories online from real people who have said that their Filipino in-laws would rahter die than ask their Kano son in law for money.  
Basta money is brought into the equation in a relationship you have to consider that a red flag.  A sincere woman will not ask you outright for money.  
I have a friend in Manila who is chatting online with this Californian.  He wants to chat with her longer online so he offered to send her money so she can buy more internet time.  She refused - it;s just not the decent thing to do to accept money from a man.  I even tried to convince her to accept but she won't do it even if she likes this guy a lot.  Plain and simple - it's not the decent thing to do she tells me.  
You'll find the right woman for you, I can tell you are a good man and you deserve the right woman.  Have faith.
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Ray
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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: for Peter Lee, posted by Mita on Mar 25, 2003

Hi Mita,

Thanks for offering your insights and your wisdom. You made a very important point that I think some people are missing, when you said “It's demeaning to be counting centavos and being accountable to our boyfriend, fiance or husband”. I hear all this talk about strict controls, strict limits, confrontation, strict accounting of all spending, demanding receipts, etc., and it reminds me of many of the stories that I have heard from ladies I have known. When the controls are too strict, resentment and hard feelings can quickly enter the marriage. I think this is especially true with Filipinas, possibly due to the traditional role of the wife as the controller of the money in the Filipino family.

So many Filipinas come here and quickly find that they are not trusted with money in the family. I hear complaints that their husband won’t let them call home without permission because of the costs involved. Others complain because their husband won’t let them send money home to the family, or their husband won’t put their name on the checking and savings accounts, or their husband won’t give them a decent allowance of discretionary cash to spend as they want. Face it, some guys are simply cheap and many others just don’t want to trust their hard-earned money to their lovely new wife.

These male defensive mechanisms may help protect your assets and let you sleep better at night, but there may be a lot of hidden resentment building inside your wife’s head and it may not be pretty when it bursts out, as it always seems to do sooner or later. If you guys don’t give your wife the trust she needs and you aren’t willing to share the power of the purse strings, there is a much bigger chance that your marriage is going to see some really rough times.

My advice is to teach your wife very early on what she needs to know to help deal with the family finances. Put her on your checking account and let her write some checks for family bills or grocery shopping. Open a credit card account with a modest limit and get her her own card, to be used for “emergencies”. Be reasonable with the long distance calls. To budget the monthly phone bills, purchase prepaid phone cards and let HER decide when and for how long to call home, so she can manage the time within a monthly allowance. Get her involved in the family financial planning and budgeting process. Let her take over paying some or all of the regular monthly bills.

Give her real increasing responsibilities and don’t freak out if she makes a mistake or runs a little over budget. Work with her and make her feel like she is part of the team. Don’t repeatedly question to minute detail all of her expenditures. Let HER decide how to spend a reasonable weekly or monthly allowance. If she goes to work, have her deposit her paycheck in your joint checking account along with yours and you both can decide when and how much cash to withdraw between paydays. When you shop together, let her pay the cashier while you stand aside like the dutiful husband (LOL); it will make her feel needed and trusted. When you give her the benefit of the doubt and show her that you can trust her, you will probably be pleasantly surprised in 99% of the cases (and your love life may improve also :-) ). If she repeatedly shows that she just can not or will not handle money responsibly, then and only then should you put on the strict controls and “crack the whip” if needed. I believe that you should at least start working towards these goals when she has a ring and a date, so you can start building the important mutual trust required in any marriage.

Just some of my thoughts on the money issue, based on my own observations and experiences. Comments or disagreements are always welcome.

Ray

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Peter Lee
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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to The Money Thing, posted by Ray on Mar 25, 2003

i will start with the separate saveings account i made for her ATM for when she was in the PI.  
She will use it here as she uses it in the PI.

She can go shopping with her ATM
and she can withdraw money from the ATM
I get to put in as much money as i like into her account

Both of us will have phone cards, that way we will be in budget all the time

She can buy me a surprise present for birthdays

I get most of my bills come automatic out of my accounts

there is no chance for human error.

Any further than that would be in my experience a grave error.

If anything does happen you are on a sinking ship with no life raft.  

The US court system will teach you a lesson to never do that again next time.  

Lessons will be repeated till learned

Just my $.02

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Ray
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« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: The Money Thing, posted by Peter Lee on Mar 26, 2003

Excuse me Peter for saying so, but that sounds EXACTLY like a teenage daughter on an allowance (I raised three daughters you know :-)).

Are you sure that it's not a daughter that you are looking for, instead of a wife? Just checking...

Ray

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Matthew
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« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to The Money Thing, posted by Ray on Mar 25, 2003

Hi Ray,

I did all those things you mentioned.For a couple of reasons.First off to let Joy know we are a team and to quickly let her understand the value of the dollar.Not that she didn't understand the value of the peso but we live here in a different economy.She no longer believes the US is the land of milk and honey.The second reason I did those things you mentioned is because I suk when it comes to handling money.Left to my own devices I have been known to roll pennys!I told her...I am the CEO and you are the CFO.It has worked out well.She can stretch a buck and she is very careful without being annoying.We have had some disagreements like when I wanted to risk capital in the stock market.I had to explain things so she would see it my way.She was still a little hesisitant but I am the CEO so we worked it out.

Your points are well made.Certainly some limits should be set during the engagement but after marriage the trust should be there to set up financial housekeeping.

Oh yeah...my stock is down 50pct and I am desperate to get out.I am still the CEO but more of a figurehead these days:)Oh well.

tito Matt

God Bless our troops

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Carr
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« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: for Peter Lee, posted by Mita on Mar 25, 2003

Mita wrote:
"I have a friend in Manila who is chatting online with this Californian. He wants to chat with her longer online so he offered to send her money so she can buy more internet time. She refused - it;s just not the decent thing to do to accept money from a man. I even tried to convince her to accept but she won't do it even if she likes this guy a lot. Plain and simple - it's not the decent thing to do she tells me. You'll find the right woman for you, I can tell you are a good man and you deserve the right woman. Have faith.

Yeah and never leave Manila girls out of the equation, you can find great gems in the city too.

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Peter Lee
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« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: for Peter Lee, posted by Mita on Mar 25, 2003

In Reply to: Re: Re: for Peter Lee posted by SteveB on 03/24/2003:

Yes, thank you for your letter.

I have just finished chatting with febtember for about one hour. With your letter and my call to the school in Cebu there is no doubt that the tuition was highly inflated. The question was why? When I talked to the director Mrs. Psamos she knew my fiancé personally. She gave her character high marks and continued to talk about what a great student she was. She was well liked and carried herself better than most among the almost all men school. She also let it known that she was to be married in July to an American named Peter Lee. Now I know this girl myself for over 20 days and have chatted with her since Jan 03. Yes not a lot of time but enough for basics. She has no jewelry, no watch, her clothes are basic. Where would the inflated extra money go? When I courted her at her house she was always working so hard for her aunt. Cleaning, cleaning, and washing clothes, cooking, fetching water busy, busy. All aunts kids had a cell phone, she didn't. Aunt's kids slept allot, didn't do chores like her. A Cinderella story. It was because of aunty that we got to know each other in the first place. So the money had to go someplace? I think aunty has her by the string. She owes much to her aunt, knowing me and the chance to go to school. There was a plan when I was asked for 48,000 pesos. Stupid anyway coz if we were to get married as planned she would never go to sea and it would be wasted money anyway. When I said no to the high tuition she just said ok and changed the subject, as if she had promised to bring it up. Aunty gets on the web and emails to guys that think it is her daughter. So Febtember and I figured out it was her Aunt that was behind the inflated tuitions and extra expenses. Her Aunt was getting the extra money. When I called the Aunt last night she didn't know anything about tuitions and the prices. Aunty was the one paying for all these tuitions before I got there, she had to know. I think I got part of the story now to get the other part. If I get my fiancé’s confidence she may tell me about her Aunt, I will try
Your letter surly confirms what we found, now we want to find out why? If this is true she had to choose between me and her Aunt. So she lied to me and paid off aunty. Does this make her a bad girl or a victim?

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Mita
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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: for Peter Lee, posted by Peter Lee on Mar 25, 2003

The biggest reason of all why she lied to you could be influence from others.  I'm sure the young lady has a lot of advisors about her American boyfriend.  The fact that she did talk about you and your marriage plans with that school official is a good sign.  
Is she a victim? You could say that she is a victim of her family, her circumstances and her poverty.  Is she a bad girl?  You'll have to find out for yourself in your next chat.  Be careful not to give her any clues about what you are thinking.  Let her explain herself and then decide for yourself.  
Keep in mind - It would really be unfair to you and your fiancee for any of us to tell you what to do, we don't know everything.  Remember too, this is the family you will be marrying into.
BTW, what are her plans for the future, aside from marrying you and settling here in the US?  Does she plan to petition her family here eventually?  Does she plan to work and support her parents back in the Philippines?
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nealt
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« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: for Peter Lee, posted by Peter Lee on Mar 25, 2003

she is a victom,it is not her fault
tneal
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greg
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« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to for Peter Lee, posted by Febtember on Mar 24, 2003

For a Man to find a Gem like Yourself is a Blessing from God. Thank you very much for the Pictures of your handsome Son. God  Bless you and your family, Gregory says Hi Raquel Shocked)
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Peter Lee
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« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to for Peter Lee, posted by Febtember on Mar 24, 2003

oh thank you for such a nice letter

I had tears in my eyes reading it

coz it came from the heart


I am sad coz i wish the girl i love was that way

but i would rather have a broken heart than be used anymore

i have not confronted her yet

i wanted to see what she would say

But after reading your letter and comming from you not a guy but a filipina I see that it doesn't matter what she says there is no excuse.  What hurts the most is I told her that my hip is badly hurt and i need surgery in the end of April.  So she knows i still teach private lessons for my job that hurts my hip more so i can make more money.   Something inside me said that the tuition is too high.  Something said the expenses are too high.  But I trusted her and would not think she would cheat by inflating the expenses and tuition.  What really did it was the 48,000 which was really only 10,000.  What i still don't understand is if we were to get married the tuition would't be paid anyway.  So why did she bring it up?  Was she trying to get all that money?  For what?  When i see her in Cebu at her Aunts house she was not materialistic.  She only owned some clothes and a few shoes.  No jewelry or watch.  I seen her work like cinderella at her aunts place do all the chores and cook the rice and clean, clean, clean.  My thoughts are that her Aunt may have had something to do with it.  But she emptied the ATM account before she left without saying anything to me.  I had put the money in the account to see what she would do.   When asked about how much was left out of over 10,000 pesos she said 6,000.  What did you do with the rest, It was for more graduation expenses, was the asnwer.   I am wondering between you and me where all the money went.  I don't think she used it for herself, but there i go again trusting old me.

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greg
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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: for Peter Lee, posted by Peter Lee on Mar 24, 2003

And I apologize for the hard words I used in my Posts to You. Btw, most Guys make mistakes in their search to find and be found by Love and Happiness aboard, so stay encouraged. I made a huge mistake myself, and I 'm still paying dearly for it. greg
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Ray
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« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Hi Peter, don't be hard on Yourself, posted by greg on Mar 24, 2003

n/t
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Peter Lee
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« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Hi Peter, don't be hard on Yourself, posted by greg on Mar 24, 2003

Hey greg that is why i am on this forum

I need to be told like it is

I am almost 60 and never been married

I thought this is it the one

I would like to hear some of your stories sometime

got any old emails with the stories already on it

thanks for the help

peterlee@695online.com

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