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Author Topic: Interesting tendency  (Read 4875 times)
Rostik
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« on: May 16, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

The more I read the more I understand that many of the people are looking for something they don't fully understand.
A lot of times I have encountered people who would come to Ukraine looking for a Ukrainian lady, preferably blond, age ..., weight, height, preferably english-speaking, preferably this and preferably that. During the process of such search, they date many women and in the end realize that they love the process much better than the idea of marriage. It's fine as long as the other party is informed about such predilection. The only thing is that when a guy like this finally meets a really nice lady he can't fall in love, he says she is no different than other women he has met previously.
People, let me ask you something what happens to a man who has met many ladies?
My observation and opinion, he starts pointing out the features, but never really looks into her heart, as long as she whispers sweet things about the depth of her feelings, which in a lot of times is equal to the depth of the wallet of our hero.
The most interesting part is this - I've met quite a few "scammer" ladies while working with my clients, and guess what - most of them I should probably say 90% are not monsters, described on many boards and sites, in fact they are real nice people. Whenever we talked about the moral side of what they do they would tell me - When I meet a man, who thinks he can buy me, I let him think he can do it and then leave him, because I`m looking for a husband, a person who would feel and understand me, be my friend. That got me thinking, what is the origin of this misunderstanding that's going on between foreign men and ukrainian women.
I realized that on my own I wouldn't be able to figure it out, so I asked for opinions and here is what I received. Many men tell me that their first (or second) trip they were trying to do what everyone does - play a little, while looking for a true love. Usually the relationship which starts with sex doesn't last, and is not taken seriously. What women tell me is this - there are many men who want to be with me, some of them offer "care", so I`m accepting it while looking for a true love.
Everything seems to be in order, everyone does what they like, but at the same time, how comes there are so many failures, stresses and depressions???
Here is my opinion - I believe that there are so many failures and disappointments because people think that they are in control of the process. For example a guy sees a girl and says to himself - she is "play-material" and I will act accordingly, or she is "wife-material" and I will act accordingly. I hope many of you have noticed two things:
1) labels "play-material", "wife-material" (i have heard these terms from many people, who I've respected, and that's why I've lost faith in them and suspended our relationships) - remember there are real people, real feelings, real heart and destiny behind these labels.
2) "... I will act accordingly ..." - sounds like a game-plan, whereas love and life are not games, feelings and emotions are not games. To the people who are honest with themselves it should mean the following - I`m playing, but what am I in reality??? At work I`m acting this way, with friends - this way, with girls - this way, what is my true nature??? I think it's important to understand this before even considering to get married and it doesn't matter, which marriage we are talking about.

Don't get me wrong, I`m not blaming anyone and I`m not trying to put all the responsibility on men's shoulders, in fact I wish there was access to some of the boards for women seeking foreign men, so that I could pass the same message to them.

People, all in all, marriage and relationships are private issues, and I know that this post won't change the world, or even a few people who are reading, but I hope that it will arise serious questions about the insides of the people involved.

I've seen many women loosing hope and saw how their hearts and thoughts getting filled with anger and hatred over shabby treatment they received from men, I've seen same things happening to men, I believe that the time has come to try to change the situation.

After all marriage and relationships in general are intended for people who want to care about each other, and to make every moment of each others lives a bit brighter and better, how I wish people would think about it more often. At least every day, just look at
her (or bring up her image in the mind, or look at her photo) and say to yourself "I wish to make this day of yours a wonderful one" of course it's better to tell her that. It's funny that I mentioned  this symbolic act. About a year ago I've purchased a greeting card, which says "It's the most wonderful day, because it started with your smile. Love you!". I gave myself a promise that I would give this card to my very special lady. Hmmm... It never happened she left for Moscow to marry a very rich person. Well, life is life, things like this happen. She never got a card, her loss Smiley
I realize that there are lots of issues involved but at the same time, this is a foundation which you can build a house on, without it - don't even bother, the first cracks in the walls will appear during the first two-three weeks.

This post was just an attempt to share my opinion and hopefully will help someone to better understand themselves.

With best wishes,
Rostick.

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Jwood66
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« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Interesting tendency, posted by Rostik on May 16, 2005

Good post Rostick
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WmGo
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Interesting tendency, posted by Rostik on May 16, 2005

Hello Rostik!
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Streetwise
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Interesting tendency, posted by Rostik on May 16, 2005

Rostik, that is  good insight especially for a 23 year old (no slight intended.) The only way to enter a meaningful relationship is with an open heart and full commitment. Unfortunately, as well as increasing the chances of a successful relationship, this also makes us more vulnerable and when we have been caught off-guard a few times and got stung, it is almost contrary to human nature to open oneself up again next time around. However, it has to be done, and if it all goes wrong somehow you have to shake off the inevitable cynicism and approach the next opportunity with the same optimisim and heart as you did the previous.

I agree with what you said about perceived scammers, many of them are normal girls ready to fall in love with the right person in the right circumstances, and even if they meet the wrong guy in the wrong circumstances, only a hardcore minority of them would go on to seriously exploit his vulnerability if he was decent and had treated them with respect. In any case, her interest (or lack of!) will be clear to see if you care to keep your eyes open and be honest with yourself.  

It is easy to be misled by the language and cultural barrier into trampling over the sensitivities of these ladies which should be respected. Just because they express themselves differently, don't underestimate their depth of sensitivity and intuition, and don't ever think that they can't sense the true feeling and purpose behind your words. Personally I think that any sense of a methodical or scientific approach to a meeting will kill off any chance of romance from the start. Spontaneity is the key, and they will read more into a sudden and pleasing act of impulse or emotion which shows them your true character, than from a studied and carefully considered approach.

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tim360z
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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Interesting tendency, posted by Rostik on May 16, 2005

Hi Rostik, Thanks from your thoughts.  You are in a very good position to make these observations.  Probably a better position than anyone since you spend a good deal of your time with both the men and the ladies.  Good thoughts to ponder.  Please continue to post your observations here as I know you have many observations to base your thoughts on.  Tim
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RickM
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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Interesting tendency, posted by Rostik on May 16, 2005

Almost all men will agree that when it comes to a preferance to a lady in their life they will all tell you "I want a slutty wild player when it comes to bedtime and a cordial saintly mannered woman for all the remaining times of the relationship"...

Can you have your cake and eat it too?Does it exist?
Can you communicate this to your potential new bride with the culture,language and gender barriers that exist?

I guess if you can,then you will have found a good potentially lifetime lasting marraige...Good Luck!

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