Of the 150, 21 of them were ladies I met while in the FSU through other means such as at businesses I was doing business with, at ballet, in apartment elevators, hallways, etc., and introductions from wives of businessmen.

Of these latter 21, every single one of them told me later that they were listed with some agency or on some internet site that I had not used.  Pretty compelling evidence for me.

I have only visited the primary large cities in FSU.  So I don't have any data on small town ladies.

Also, just for the record, I have never met any scammer, and all of these gals were over 35 years of age.

Karl

Maybe, just maybe, at the most 10% of all these women we see out walking about, the women we are talking about in this thread, are listed with agencies.

That's all, no more. This is why I can say, and not from an opinion but experience, from the women you meet away from agencies, ladies in the market, ladies standing in bus lines waiting to go home, ladies walking down Nevsky Prospekt, ladies who respond from newspaper ads, when these ladies express a real interest in a man their is a much higher percentage of these ladies feelings being true, being real, as compared overall to the ladies who are with agencies.

Or another way to put it might be you have fewer scammer women in real life as compared to scammer women with agencies.

I meet my wife walking though Kherson with a client out "hunting" When I ask her why she hadn't join our agency she had a simple response that she didn't have the time or a desire to join. She had no problem finding a boyfriend in Kherson. Today she highly recommends the agency to her friends.

Typical there are two types of ladies in agencies. The primary types are ladies who are looking for a good husband and have consider the option of finding one overseas. These ladies have taken the first step and are more acceptable to the life outside of Ukraine. The second minority groups are the ladies who fall under either professional dater are scammers.

A non-agency lady is going to be more difficult to date and convince to leave the country for marriage. But it isn't impossible to find one who will. An agency lady is going to be more acceptable to the ideal and be more likely to accept a marriage proposal.

My advice is and will always be to use an agency as a means of meeting ladies in a given city. If you have the extra time and money and wish to search outside of the agency for ladies. It can easily be done if you are willing to spend the exta time and effort to find a lady who is willing to leave the country in which she was born.

Hope this helps.
Kevin Hayes
www.khersongirls.com

I have notice that the men are getting more selective or using muiltiple trips now more then in the past during there searches.

The false web site that were created by my competitors has had an effect on the agency. But most people can read these false sites and see that they were created not by a client but by another agency.

I'm not reading many scam reports in kherson as I use to a few years back. Most of the scam reports are with the same agencies network that scam the men in every city.

I wish that I did have a MOB connection in Ukraine.  Unfortionally most of the local scam agencies have stronger connections then I will every have. This is why they are still open.

Thanks
Kevin Hayes

...So therefore, you conclude?!? What is the "therefore" based on? Putting a plastic bag over your head and seeing if you can operate a keyboard? Or are you pleading one of the "therefore, I am" defenses?

As Dan pointed out no one knows for sure but simple common sense implies that vast majority of FSU women aren"t involved with MOB and my own personal experience bears that out. I've been meeting non-MOB women for years and although many have pondered it not a single one ever got involved. Why? Because they were concerned what their family and friends would think and because they themselves feel it's shameful. I had several women tell me they feel it's a betrayal of their country and culture.

I suggest you start asking the non-MOB FSU people you meet about this endeavor. Not your girl or her family, try asking strangers you strike up a conversation with in bars, on trains, planes, ect, assuming your girl will even let you. Try it and see, you may well find your dream bride would rather you kept quiet.

You'll find MOB is looked upon with the same disdain by the general population of the FSU as it is by the general population of the US and other countries. My experience has been most "regular" people's perception in the FSU is these these girls fit into the same category the US population considers the men. In fact you'll soon feel it's best to disguise the reasons you're even visiting their country. How many times on this board have we heard from guys taking heat from their families and freinds for being involved in this? Are you so naive as to think it's any dfferent in the FSU? And I won't even tell you what many employees of the INS and State Department feel about it. If the ones I've talked to had their say the K1s would stop tomorrow.

Therefore, I conclude you're nuttier than squirrel sh**.