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Author Topic: Trip Budgeting  (Read 9009 times)
Streetwise
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« on: October 22, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »
Just wondered, how much do you guys generally budget for a trip? I am looking at a double-drop trip in November (one week in Latvia and one week in Ukraine, back-to-back)and I reckon I can do the whole thing, including air fares from London and between the two, car hire in Latvia, long-distance buses in Ukraine, approx $50 a night for lodgings and approx $50 a day for spends, for a total of around £1600 ($2700.) Does that sound reasonable? I'll bet it compares favourably with "organised tour" prices!

By the way, when is the dollar going to stabilise against the euro??!! I've got a whole wad of greenbacks and I'm hoping to see them strengthen before I change 'em back, but they just keep falling.
Any predictions? Should I offload them now or hang on for a bit?
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MarkInTx
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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Trip Budgeting, posted by Streetwise on Oct 22, 2003

Does that $50 a day include cars and interpreters, as well as setting up dates?

That's where the real money gets spent.

If you go by yourself, arrange the flats on your own, don't hire interpreters or guides... then $50 a day is reasonable -- depending on how many women you see.

Victoria and I didn't spend $50 a day most days we were together in Kiev (and that included eating out every night...)

But, if you are doing the "line up 7 dates a day" thing, I think $50 is way too low... You have meals, gifts, flowers, etc. times seven... that gets pricey.

Plus, you didn't say which cities. Kiev is more expensive than Kherson, for example.
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Lynn
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$$$
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to Trip Budgeting, posted by Streetwise on Oct 22, 2003

I would hope that you plan on a reserve figure to go along with the 2.7K, for incidentials.
In their own words, from the (not-so) Federal Reserve, "Paper currency, as we know it in the united States, has no intrinsic value----only percieved value."
Gold (Au) has had approxamately the same value (buying power) since the days of Christ. An ounce of gold will buy today a man's dress suit, just as it would a hundred years ago.
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Frank O
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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to Trip Budgeting, posted by Streetwise on Oct 22, 2003

My last trip to Ukraine was VERY HASty due to me being on tour with a band across the USA & Mexico. Well I got called to audition the day AFTER I had bought my tickets for Ukraine. I spent thousands during the tour. Well I didnt' bother getting my visa as I figured I wouldn't go with the tour schedule. Things did NOT work out as I was NOT paid what I was told & was upset & disillusioned with that. I decided to quit & go ahead & go over to Ukraine. I had to pay $300 to rush order my visa then I had to pay an additional $300 for my ticket as I had missed my day of departure (still had return of course). Anyways I was hurting for certain. A friend had about 155 hryvnas with him left over from his last trip. He mailed them to me. About $30 or so. Well I was in Urkaine 9 days total & spent a whopping $55!!!:-))) I stayed with my fiancee at her house. They cooked for me & everything. She is VERY VERY frugal.:-)))) The hryvnas my friend sent me lasted me 6 days. On the 6th day I went to Kiev to meet with Galina from First Dream for lunch & say HI. I then exchanged $25 for hryvnas. So out of my OWN pocket I spent $25 spending money in 9 days. Not bad. AT least I know if I can get a ticket I can go over there on a shoestring musicians budget.
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ChrisNJ
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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to HOw's THIS for frugality...you won't bel..., posted by Frank O on Oct 24, 2003

What does that mean exactly?
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SimonSays
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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to When they say they want GENEROUS in thei..., posted by ChrisNJ on Oct 24, 2003

Usually something like "she's so fine you'll wonder where your money went."
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tfcrew
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to Re: When they say they want GENEROUS in ..., posted by SimonSays on Oct 24, 2003

In the Russian language, the word 'generous' mainly
translates... not a stingy-ass tightwad.
They hate these guys. Who doesn't?

Their poor (many people) are the most giving.

As FrankO (above post) points out, you can indeed reap what you sow.
Sow like a fool.....
It also points out to prepare well (at least your itinerary) for the flight.

While I'm thinking about it..
Your US Senate just voted  themselves another %2.2 (5th year in a row) ...
Bringing   (salary only) to an annual 158K x 100...  
"Generous" huh?
When is the last time you/we had a raise?
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Frank O
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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to Not necessarily.., posted by tfcrew on Oct 24, 2003

NOt sure if that was meant as a compliment or as a putdown. In either case if meant bad offense NOT taken. LOL!!! First trip I went I spent a LOT of money on a drop dead gorgeous girl who simply took all the gifts I took & then disappeared. With Diana he wrote me REGULAR mail. INvited me to stay with her family. Picked me up at the airport. They had a big dinner prepared for me. Waited on me hand & foot. Basically I was treated like family. It felt great. I lived with them as part of the family. I would NOT change a thing. I did not have to buy things to "impress" her etc. I remember at one point when being asked about my car by her uncles I told HER on my next trip I"ll bring a pic of my car. She responded "bring it to dad I don't care what you drive". Good answer.
When I went on my first trip a friend of mine who lives in Lugansk who was my guide & interpretor told me that if I was SERIOUS about my pursuit of a wife to shuck the agencies & he'd take me OUTSIDE the city to the rural villages & towns. He said THERE would find a REAL GENUINE Ukrainian LADY not a scammer or a money grubbing wench. He took me out to meet several. They were all VERY nice however NONE spoke ENglish. When I decided to advertise there one of my main criteria was that if possible she NOT be from one of the larger towns. My fiancee is from Radomyshl which has a population of about 15,000. She was everything & THEN SOME of what I imagined in a lady.
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Streetwise
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« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to Re: Not necessarily.., posted by Frank O on Oct 24, 2003

Could not agree more! The ladies from outlying villages are sure to be "untainted" compared with their big city counterparts, many of whom have been on the "circuit" for quite a while now (or have had their attitudes moulded by friends who have been.)

My advice to anyone starting out in this venture would be to make your first investment in a Russian language course. The money you would save later on by being able to avoid the undesirables and concentrate on genuine ladies would pay for it many times over (even allowing payment for her English lessons!) Plus you would not have too much competition for ladies who speak zero English!!!!
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tfcrew
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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to Re: Not necessarily.., posted by Frank O on Oct 24, 2003

Frank..
Wasn't "putting down" the idea of being "frugal" at all.
I only meant that I noticed your visit went from unavoidably frugal to most  fortunate.
There was a book in fact (years ago) called "Europe on $5 a Day".

The reap what you sow analogy was/is intended for the next prospective visitor...and for them to not foolishly leave people with a bad opinion.

There's a fairly big music store  about 6 blocks east of the American embassy in Warsaw.
After the interview we went back to it.
I played guitar and spent a couple hours with some guys at their studio there. They all spoke English and knew alot of grunge and classic rock stuff.
 I was very impressed!

Karl
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Frank O
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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to Re: Re: Not necessarily.., posted by tfcrew on Oct 24, 2003

Diana had told all her friends I had played in a band & toured all over the US & Mexico & I took a cd of a track I recorded (Cougar, Branch, Etheridge vein). Anyways her friends were expecting this monster guitar player. Well everytime I bumped into them I was a little tipsy from beer or too many vodka shots. Well, I'm one of those that CAN'T play drunk!!! So I sounded like an amateur. Anyways the guys would look at me like?! Anyways it was funny but embarassing. I'd like to go by a music store or a live gig & maybe play "Crazy Train" or "Eruption" note for note & see what they think THEN.
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tim360z
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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to Re: Not necessarily.., posted by Frank O on Oct 24, 2003

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jrm
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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to Trip Budgeting, posted by Streetwise on Oct 22, 2003

n/t
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tfcrew
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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to the dollar will only go south ... n/t, posted by jrm on Oct 23, 2003

True?
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tim360z
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« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to Trip Budgeting, posted by Streetwise on Oct 22, 2003

Hold onto your greenbacks as they should spend well in Russia and Ukraine.  Yield against the Euro right now is disadvantageous to convert.  Don't expect that to change until our defecit and economy are corrected.
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