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Cold Warrior
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« on: August 12, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

Russian Wife of an American Man Talks About Americans
08/08/2003 14:55
There is something I like and dislike about America

Valeria Schekotova, not long ago deputy editor-in-chief of the newspaper Vyatsky Nabludatel, came for her first vacation in Russia after she had left to the United States. Before travelling to the USA, she said that she was going to see her beloved man - pen-pal Edward Hebert - she said that she did not need America as a country at all. Nevertheless, Valeria is currently residing in the States and she is doing fine there. Lera Herbert lives in her husband's house, she has a permanent residential permit, a good job and Russian-speaking friends. Her life has become stable.

When you left Russia, it was a grand transformation for you? What are your brightest impressions?

We are living in the south, in Shreveport, Louisiana, - a town with the 400,000-strong population. The winter temperature does not go down below zero there, so people do not have permanent heating in their houses. At first, it was very cold for me - I arrived there in February. Now we have a better heater. At first, all I had to do was to sit at home and wait for my husband to return home from work. I could not even walk anywhere, because Shreveport is not a pedestrian town - one can only drive there. So I was just walking around the house with our dog, sometimes me and Edward went to supermarkets for shopping. My communication was limited to books and the Internet. Speaking about the American meals - they do not have such things as soup or salad of cut vegetables. Salad for Americans is just salad - just several salad leaves, some cheese and various sauces. They presumably eat Mexican meals in the south of the States, and I can not make any comparisons that would be understandable for Russians - Russian people do not eat such food. They have everything ready and packed - one has to warm it up.

When I was leaving for the USA, I could hardly speak English. I could not watch TV, even if there were subtitles. Now I can perfectly understand the American speech with all peculiarities, although I speak with simple phrases. A friend of mine said, it usually takes ten years to start thinking English and to be able to speak it fluently. Edward knows some 30 or 40 Russian words - he knows something about love, he knows "babushka" stressing it on the second syllable, but I did not teach him any Russian bad words, as my friends here did.

How did you get a job?

There is only one newspaper in Shreveport - The Times, so my profession of a journalist was useless, as well as my other profession - a lawyer. Russian diplomas are not good in the States v they have an absolutely different legal system there. I managed to find a full time and an interesting job only in about 18 months. I was employed at the medical and biological institute. The American science is all based on grants: if someone substantiates a project, its importance and practical use, they will be funded. My boss and her group are currently proving the harmful influence of a medical drug on heart vessels, the positive influence that certain grape and grape wine components show on them. I was hired without even a diploma, because grant conditions stipulate supervisor's obligation to find an employment for socially insecure people. I started as a clerk, growing cells, but now I am a researcher. Slowly but surely, my wages are becoming closer to the American average salary, which means that I do not have to be worried about daily wants and needs. All social problems of an average American are solved, so they think about a place, where they can buy a house, a bank, where they can raise a loan, and so on.

So what country is better for you now - Russia or America?

I will not answer this question. Russia is my fatherland. There is something that I like and dislike about the States. I am not a malicious antagonist with my critical attitude to the American mentality and the state policy. I am just an observer.

I have heard and read that American people are naive and poorly educated. Do you think so too?

They do not read much, they trust their state and the majority of functions connected with their interests are executed by lawyers, which is very expensive. That is why Americans hate doctors and lawyers, because of their excessive fees, although they pay them anyway. When I was unemployed, I studied the American tax law - they have special simplified programs for volunteers there. I found out that my husband had paid too much taxes to the state. I checked everything and managed to return pretty good money to us. Nobody would do it there. Filling a blank for obtaining a permanent greencard implies the price of $500 for three hours of a lawyer's work! Southern Americans are special people - they are people of nature, men prefer hunting and fishing among all other entertainments, they refer to northern Americans as Yankees. My husband is more like a Yankee man. I would like to say here that religion plays a very important role in their lives. They are used to going to the church every Sunday, there are a lot of churches of various confessions there. This unites people, there is no stealing, no one will take your bag if you forget it. Yes, they are superficial people, and there is no other world for them, except for America. Their news is limited to local American news, Arab and Palestinian conflict reports and Iraq. Yet, they have super-professional documentaries with profound analyses.

Americans have a special attitude to what they wear. They basically do not care how they look and wear plain clothes. Sometimes I think that they do not know what ironing means. However, if you wear one and the same outfit to work for more than two days - your colleagues will not understand you, to put it mildly. I do not know what they wear in New York or Los Angeles, this is a completely different world.

Will you become an American citizen in five years after your arrival in the States?

Not necessarily. I do not have such plans for the time being. I can legally become an American citizen, if I pass an exam of American history and language. Yet, I would like to remain a Russian national so far not to have any problems with travelling to Russia, to my family. The American citizenship is needed for those who travel a lot - they can travel without visas almost worldwide. I do not have such an opportunity yet.

Interview was taken by Mary Lazareva

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johnnydudeman
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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to An RW on life in America, posted by Cold Warrior on Aug 12, 2003

Reading this short account of life in America by a Russian woman was amusing in its simplemindedness and it made me think about how it would be the same for me to write about life in Russia based on a short trip to a small provincial town in Russia.  I guess I could also go to Yoshkar Ola or Iveshk and form an impression of Russian life based on these limited impressions and give an interview of my experience making a broad assessment of life in Russia.  But just as life in Russia is diverse (you have the large modern cities of Moscow and St. Petersburg and everything else, which seems to be anachronistic shadow remnants of former USSR life), we in America also have our large cities and small country towns and it is impossible to get a sense of USA or even give an interview of life in USA based on a visit to Shrieveport.  

Shrieveport is definitely NOT indicative of life in America.  It is a small country conservative redneck town of Wal-Marts, Old Navys and McDonald's with a strong Southern Baptist religious guidance and seeming intolerance for other religions and thoughts and ideas.  That is no place to get an opinion of America with sufficiency to write about American life.  

The thing about her report is that is ALMOST all wrong.  She says people in Shrieveport do not have heaters.  Well, her impression is that all other people don't have heaters because her husband did not provide for one...but many many people in Shreveport have heaters.  Its ridiculous to say no one in Shreveport has heaters.  They do.  Then our Russian genius says we do not have such a things as soup or salads of cut vegetables.  Maybe this is a language difference but when I was in Russia and Ukraine they called just about EVERYTHING involving cut vegetables a salad.  I went to a restaurant in Kherson and had three side dishes (which they call salads) with my meal.  Of course in USA we would call these "side dishes".  For example, tonight I had for dinner a grilled Ribeye steak with a gorgonzola sherry cream sauce and a "side" of wilted spinach and a "side" of corn soufflé and a "salad" of tomatoes and red onions and cucumbers with lime and a balsamic vinaigrette (but no cheese or lettuce).  You could say I had two sides and a salad...or by the Russian way, that I had a main dish and three salads.  Same difference.  It was all good. Smiley  So, I guess its just semantics...we just call things different names.  We Americans say a "side" of this and Russians say a "salad" of that.  One other difference here is that we are exposed to such more than you have in Russia and we make choices based on what we WANT and choose rather than the limited selection of what is offered to us.  

The author also says ALL American science is based on grants.  This is BULL and misinformative.  Public funded grants fund much university and public research projects.  But there is PLENTY of profits to be made in privately funded non grant money scientific research.

Also it is insulting and disingenuous and ignorant to say Americans are superficial people and that they do not read much and that they dress poorly.  We have great universities that students from all over the world would love to attend.  I went to a prestigious law school (university 4 years and law school for 3 additional years, unlike the more simplified fast-track of becoming a lawyer in Russia in just 5 years) and I dress in Armani suits and Hermes ties most business days, and Levis and Prada sport shoes other days.  I have traveled with Russian girls who bring one or two outfits (because its ALL THEY HAVE) and take gentle care of them to wear and re-wear while I bring several outfits and have them cleaned while I am there.  And if I go running or jogging (outside in the fresh air not in a gym like most Russians) I will sometimes drive my own nice b@d@ss car to the grocery store on my way home to pick up some food while I am still hot and sweaty rather than go home first and change into something "more appropriate" for "public shopping clothes."  You can call that not caring how I dress...I call that living a free and "active lifestyle" where I seek to make the most of my time.  I guess its a faster pace of life in America where time is money and we don't spend half our day on a metro trying to get from one place to another while pushing each other and breathing in toxic subway fumes.  I guess you can consider this a "pan" (as in bad review) of our gentle author's overly broad and limited view of life in America.  Many of us have superior educations and work in good professions and live in good homes with central air and heating and eat at restaurants where the chefs are trained in "world cuisine" which would include, I guess (inter alia) soups AND salads AND other good food, and some of us normal Americans also even fly first class to Paris just to see a sporting even like the Tour de France and stay at the Ritz Hotel.  And we also even shop at other places for our clothes than just Wal-Mart and Old Navy.  I am sorry you got the short end of the stick in your "American Dream."  But there is a whole other world out here in America than just  Shreveport with "no salads" "public grants" and "no heating".

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f12phantom
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to An RW on life in America, posted by Cold Warrior on Aug 12, 2003

I find this article extremely interesting. You mention the following: "Lera Herbert lives in her husband's house, she has a permanent residential permit, a good job and Russian-speaking friends. Her life has become stable." One thing that I would like to ask is: What is a PERMANENT RESIDENTIAL PERMIT?
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Cold Warrior
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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: An RW on life in America, posted by f12phantom on Aug 13, 2003

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Robert D
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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to An RW on life in America, posted by Cold Warrior on Aug 12, 2003

very interesting.   I think I corresponded with her husband some time ago.  Glad things are working out for him.

Robert D.

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Dan
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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to An RW on life in America, posted by Cold Warrior on Aug 12, 2003

Is "America Through the Eyes of a Russian Woman" by Maria Knjazeva.

It is self-published - is available in both English and Russian - and is humorous in its presentation.

Olya shared it with her mother long before she joined me in America, and it provided them much to think about - as well as offering Olya and I the chance to discuss some of the experiences recounted in the book.

I recall one section that was particularly funny - when Maria talks about the habit Americans have for returning retail goods. She was just overwhelmed at the practice when she first arrived - and Olya and her mother were also very surprised at the 'customer service' mentality it demonstrates. Quite a contrast to the 'service' they receive customarily in Ukraine.

Anyway, you can (or could) order the book directly from Maria at this e-mail address -- kniazevm@uci.edu.

- Dan

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Richard
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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to A Book Both Olya and I Enjoyed . . ., posted by Dan on Aug 12, 2003

You forgot to mention that the book is published in both English and Russian.  I found it quite useful in dealing with my exFiance.
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