trip report part 5

[WmGo]

... in response to read your own words...SHE DOES NOT LIKE ..., posted by johnnydudeman on Aug 21, 2003

Good post Dude.

[LP]

... in response to trip report part 5 , posted by genoramix on Aug 19, 2003

...What a classy guy, yet another fine example of the MOB male breed in action. How old are you anyway? Are you a genoramix or ignoramix?

You'd better stick to chocolate and watches cuz you sure don't know much about dealin with wimmin. (Are you sure you ain't from TX?)

Go home and see a priest...and quit playin the game until you learn the rulz.

[johnnydudeman]

... in response to She's weird?..., posted by LP on Aug 19, 2003

...or we're gonna round us up a real mean @ss posse and come lookin' for ya.

[LP]

... in response to you'd better stop knocking Texas..., posted by johnnydudeman on Aug 21, 2003

....Based on your post below I'll turn myself in. In fact I'll ride with you. A dollar a day, coffee, beans...count me in. It won't be easy but we can hunt down all the pansies that've infested DFW...

You must've been born elsewhere cuz you make way too much sense. If not, maybe there's some hope for TX after all. Keep it up and I may have to elevate you folks to a level just below Californians. (lol, there's something to shoot for eh?)

Btw, I don't think the kid is a Yank. He said he was Swiss, but your point remains valid.

[jrm]

... in response to She's weird?..., posted by LP on Aug 19, 2003

the world with his immature experiences. I feel like I am reading something from a teenager...clueless!

[genoramix]

... in response to I am glad someone has discouraged this g..., posted by jrm on Aug 20, 2003

if you are too goddamm stupid to waste your time reading stuff you know you wouldn't  be interested in i don't have any lesson to receive from you.

[jrm]

... in response to Re: I am glad someone has discouraged th..., posted by genoramix on Aug 21, 2003

n/t

[Richard]

... in response to I am glad someone has discouraged this g..., posted by jrm on Aug 20, 2003

that you find boring.

I am glad to see Genoramix's trip report. There have been far to few trip reports lately: I wonder if it's because people aren't going or because people don't want to open themselves up to comments like this.

I am thinking about making another trip myself and really appreciate reading what people think about various places to look.  I concentrate on those parts of the trip reports I find relevant to me, and don't pay much attention to the other parts.

[genoramix]

... in response to She's weird?..., posted by LP on Aug 19, 2003

First i'm 28- 2nd you're right i don't know a lot about women, I'm not a casanova and so what? I've had only a few long lasting relationships.
Again i am there first for my vacations. The rest is secondary.

@nd i had maybe 5 dates with this girl before i tried to push the thing a little further. BAsically we have been flirting on 2 dates. WHat are your rules for that? in my book there aren't any, every individual is different. Moreover stimes i have feelings which prevent me to play by the rules. Even if i might act in a silly way I am not stupid and i know that except for a miracle this story certainly won't go anywhere. But so what? maybe she will reveal herself before i leave, maybe she is just very shy, or maybe she is just playing with me.(3rd option seems the most probable though)

I don't go there with any rules except the one to have the most of fun possible while always respecting the others.
If i can find my second half on the way, great. If not, no problem i still will have had a great time and i still will have improved my russian.

ANd please in what do i represent a fine example of the mob male in action?

and what the f**ck with "wimmin"?

At least even if english is not my language i still know how to write properly. and no i'm not from TX

Gosh i even sent you flowers in one of my posts for your insightful posts about this business...But you cannot always do your best isn't it?

Peace anyway

[LP]

... in response to yeah, what rules?, posted by genoramix on Aug 20, 2003

...Had a bad day, shouldn't have been so hard on you. It was impulsive. I tried to retract the post soon after but it was too close to midnight.

Your approach demonstrates a lack of experience, of common sense. You're more than "sily", you're a pushover...someone not in control around women. This is what I meant by the rules and being a fine example. Nor do most care if you got laid or scored a few smooches. Is that your criterion for a trip report?

Respecting others? You call telling a bunch of strangers you nailed a girl respectful of her? And are you as foul mouthed around women? And what is with all the boozing? You act like a kid, so far you strike me as not much different than the FSU guys these girls reject.

If you suspect she is just playing with you why do you continue? More important, why would you confess that and still do nothing? Move on. You need to excercise more discretion, if not around women than with your need to reveal to others just how much inexperience you have.

If you're only out to play...fine. They'll soon be a distant memory. But if you're looking for a wife try take it a little more seriously because this is serious stuff. Or do you want a ton of hurt in your future? Exhibit confidence and control around these women and quit with (by your own addmision) the 14 year old stuff. You're no match for them, an FSU girl (especially a young one) will sucker a guy like you in a heartbeat.

Thanks for the flowers. And no, I can't always do my best...but I can do better than dissolving into a pile of goo around a pretty face.

[genoramix]

... in response to Sorry...., posted by LP on Aug 20, 2003

no first i didn't nailed her if you read my post. we just slept together.
Second this is a trip report. What are trip reports for if it's not to have some feedback about what you're doing?
And i don't feel it's disrespect to tell a bunch of stanger what i have done. She won't never read this list anyway.

As for the boozing : how did you act when you were 28 and on vacations? if people drink i drink with them. I usually almost never drink, just in Russia i have a tendency to drink like a russian if i drink with russians.

And else it's  more than a pretty face. I have met a lot of pretty faces there but still i have liked her a lot from our frist meeting. I like her for her pretty face but mostly for what she is (or represents) for me. She is sincere, really family oriented and i think we have a lot in common.

Now after meeting her again and clearing things up a lil more i know she is not playing with me. She is sincere but just doesn't know what she wants. I guess she just wants to engage in a long distance stuff only if she is sure it will lead somewhere.

Is that a red flag? in my book no. Even the opposite. I've met lots of pretty faces who did me the oh i like you so much stuff but you feel there is not more to it. Some people need time to love the other one and sadly long distance stuff just don't allow that. But i feel she is one of these girls who is not ready for a commitment if she doesn't feel like it's the real thing. I've tried to put me in her shoes and actually i'd do the same if i was.

In my book love is supposed to grow. not fade. It'a little seed you plant and then it develops..i cannot ask her to love me after 7 dates or should i?
And honestly now i feel the situation is improving at each meeting.

A for dissolving into a pile of goo as i said she is not just a pretty face, there is more to it. Second i think i made it clear tonight for her that i have my limits and even though i can seem like the guy you can do anything to i'm far from being stupid.

Remember you judge people only by what they are posting. I wrote mostly about the bad stuff in her because i was wondering about it. But i didn't tell everything about the positive. I don't need explanation for that.

But still when leaving i'll have the right idea if i should pursue it not.

and sorry for my english but what is a pushover?

[LP]

... in response to Re: Sorry...., posted by genoramix on Aug 20, 2003

[This message has been edited by LP]

Well, assuming you can hear me over the background noise of the big flys (you know, the ones that are drawn to TX sized horsesheet) I'll respond:

...no first i didn't nailed her if you read my post. we just slept together....

How sweet. Pardon *my* English but in these parts "slept together" means you bumped uglies with her.

...Second this is a trip report. What are trip reports for if it's not to have some feedback about what you're doing?...

You're getting feedback. Did you expect only peaches and cream?

...And i don't feel it's disrespect to tell a bunch of stanger what i have done. She won't never read this list anyway...

Uh...just because you're getting away with it doesn't make it right. It's a bad start. Besides, your business is your's, not some yahoos on a internet BB.

...As for the boozing : how did you act when you were 28 and on vacations? if people drink i drink with them...

When I was 28 I already had a wife and two kids and was more focused on career. Guess I was more serious than most. Thus far, I've never seen any reason to have another wife and so far I'm glad. I would have missed out on lots TLC delivered by women who were more than happy to share my life without all the legal consequences. A good thing too. If you want really kids then fine, otherwise you're short changing yourself by marrying at 28.

Btw, when I was 28 I was putting people in jail for excessive public drinking. (It was crime back then.) If I got faced on vacation I had to be sure it was far away and I couldn't get caught or I'd be out of a job.
It's the same now except I'd be out of a job *and* be the one going to jail.

I admit it's tough not do in Rome as the Romans do but there is a place for it. With her family it's ok. Out and about, why do it? Try to always show them you're not like the local male talent, especially with booze...it's a cancer on their culture. They prefer mature men, men with confidence and in control. From what I've seen thats a rarity in MOB circles. Don't be like the locals, they can get one of them anytime.

...And else it's more than a pretty face. I have met a lot of pretty faces there but still i have liked her a lot from our frist meeting. I like her for her pretty face but mostly for what she is (or represents) for me. She is sincere, really family oriented and i think we have a lot in common...

Ok, fair nuff. But from your previous posts she seems less sincere than you might be assuming. There are many fish in the FSU sea, wasting too much time on one who's not sure what she wants is for desperados.

...Now after meeting her again and clearing things up a lil more i know she is not playing with me. She is sincere but just doesn't know what she wants. I guess she just wants to engage in a long distance stuff only if she is sure it will lead somewhere...

Better be sure or you'll waste lots of time and money. I applaud taking time but not having it wasted. If she's not sure "what she wants" now you'd better get it figured out for yourself. Remember, tt's what *you* want that matters.

...As for dissolving into a pile of goo as i said she is not just a pretty face, there is more to it. Second i think i made it clear tonight for her that i have my limits and even though i can seem like the guy you can do anything to i'm far from being stupid....

Remember that many relations have a meteoric rise and burn out just as quickly. And if you're not stupid don't act stupid...stupid is as stupid does.

...Remember you judge people only by what they are posting....

Jeesh Kreskin, I'll try to keep that in mind.

...I wrote mostly about the bad stuff in her because i was wondering about it. But i didn't tell everything about the positive. I don't need explanation for that...

Yes, you do need explanations for good behavior. *Especially* for that. Do you think some FSU women are such good manipulaters because they use bad behavior? No one here can help you make decisions. Follow your head, mostly forget your heart...and leave the rest in your pants unless you simply can't help it. There are millions of people who were once where you are now and most of them are divorced. I bet 90% of the guys looking for FSU girls have had at least one divorce. Many of them have had two or more. Funny how they always seem to blame it on the women huh?.

...and sorry for my english but what is a pushover?...

Letting *them* be in control of *your* situation. Doing what's best for her and not you. Letting your emotions overule your intellect. Also, see the part above about about not being able to help keep it in your pants.

[genoramix]

... in response to Re: Re: Sorry...., posted by LP on Aug 20, 2003

totally agree. I was f**ing stupid, after this afternoon i can pretty much see it.

No improvement anymore from her part, not attentioned like i would have to but i still think she is hesitating.

In any case she is not for me...after the talk we had last night her attitude today was inexcusable, the worse is that i think she didn't even realise it.

So this is the end of my silly actions, the head is in control again.

and now that i think of it, even if we had quite some fun together it was a waste of time...if only we had spoken russian it would have been really valuable.

Thus i wasn't wrong she is sincere. Just not for me.

[LP]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Sorry...., posted by genoramix on Aug 21, 2003

...In a month or two you won't even recall her name and when you find a good one you'll be grateful this happened. Most people learn from bad experiences but you can learn as much from the bullets you dodge as the ones you take.

But I'm sorry it went sour. Fwiw, being right in such cases doesn't make me feel any better.
I only want guys to protect themselves during a time when it's not easy to do. You need to be suspisious because deep down we're all afraid. It's the human condition.

I've been in a few deals where I was amazed at how quickly they burned out after seeming so "right" in the beginning. No matter how taken I initially am with a particular woman I always keep that in mind. It's all about knowing people and that makes it a special curse in MOB relations. The odds are against us everytime we meet someone new. After all, if it was easy to find a good mate we'd have all done it much sooner. And even when you do, it's still a crap shoot...

You'll learn more as you go. The Zinkman is correct: for most of us, good judgment is the product of bad experience. He's around your age and is pretty savvy so youth is not the impediment it appears to be. It's a concentrated desire to think, observe, and learn that makes the difference. (lol, having said that I'll gladly trade you most of my experience for just a little of your youth.

Good luck...

[RickM]

... in response to Don't sweat it..., posted by LP on Aug 21, 2003

Right on...I have to agree with you 100%...The odds are really against this whole idea and I think the younger the lady the more the bad odds increases....

Just ask over and over again to a "young" lady your writing what her family and friends think about this whole episode of you coming to her to meet and spend some time with her (and by the way...AND ASK HER...can she imagine what it's going to feel like waking up together in the mornings together... "put perfectly in a letter")....Letter after letter...The questions will go un-answered as if they were not even asked in the letter...TRY IT....And you will travel HOW FAR to meet her???...For HOW LONG???...Pazhauiste!!!! She's has to come up with a REAL conversation and real answers to make a trip even THOUGHT ABOUT....

...I AGREE 1,000,000% ...