A new twist on the marriage visa scam...

[John K]

... in response to Re: Certainly, we are being deceived., posted by Lynn on Jul 14, 2003

The effects are still settling in.  Right now, I'm in "assimilate" mode.  There's a lot to figure out...

[Lynn]

... in response to I already took the pill., posted by John K on Jul 14, 2003

Have you Cracked the Code? Filings are of utmost importance.

[John K]

... in response to Re: I already took the pill., posted by Lynn on Jul 14, 2003

I'm still trying to separate the wheat from the chaff.  There's a lot of theories, but not all of them can fit in the same space at the same time.

Incidently, Lynn, you really need to read that one book you sent me with a jaundiced eye.  He does a lot of guessing and reaching there.  While he has an interesting theory, he's left plenty of holes in it...

[Lynn]

... in response to Not yet., posted by John K on Jul 15, 2003

Chose well and stay the path. Any variation will negate progress. Walk softly and carry the biggest stick (knowledge).

"guessing and reaching" Can we ever be absolutely sure? Some of the holes may be intentional. Admittedly, I have not had the time to read it all the way thru, in order. But then again, I haven't heard of anyone taking him up on the offer on page 291 either.

[tim360z]

... in response to Re: Just another case for a National ID ..., posted by wsbill on Jul 10, 2003

to he11 is paved by good intentions.  And bad ideas.  This ID card is just another one.  Today there is barely any privacy left for an individual.  Unless you don't drive and don't have a job and don't have a credit card or bank accounts or insurance and don't have utilities and don't live anywhere and don't get mail and don't pay tax's and...We normal people are scanned and tracked and measured and poked and prodded by the growing information factory which is all consuming. The national id card thing is just more of the same...just a little scarier for anyone who values the few scraps of privacy we think we have left.  And today,  you don't need the nsa to loose your privacy. The private sector has been assembling info for your id card all along. If you are a normal person, "privacy???"---you have already lost it...the reality of it has just not hit you. Yet.

[europete]

... in response to Re: Just another case for a National ID ..., posted by wsbill on Jul 10, 2003

We already have a national identity card. It is called a "Social Security card". The purpose of having a social security card with your name and number on it is to be able to apply for and receive social security benefits, and according to the Social Security Administration it is not required to have such a card. One group of Americans which seldom ever obtains a SSN are the Amish. They tend to live within their own community and do not rely on outside assistance, hence no need for a Social Security card.
But many are required to have a SSN in order to get by in most aspects of daily life. Often we are asked for our SSN for the most ordinary of transactions. Once the telephone company asked for my number when I wanted to have a telephone installed in my apartment when living there. When I refused to give the number, I was informed I could not get a phone installed. So I asked if they were refusing to install a phone because I would not give them my SSN. They said one could be installed but I would have to put up a $500.00 cash deposit instead, which is what I did.
The government does indeed want to know all about us, and plans to track us by whatever means available. I recall a family I know having a foreign exchange student from Germany staying with them. She was required by the school to get a SSN or not attend the school. And she was just a visitor, not a citizen. Also, hospitals now demand parents fill out the forms to obtain a SSN for their newborn infants. From the cradle to the grave they will know all about you.
And WSBill, since I am not a white guy, during my 15 months in Ukraine I was stopped by the police or the militia 8 times and required to show my passport to them. Even twice in the same day. It may not be that way here yet, but it will be if we let it happen.

[wsbill]

... in response to Re: Re: Just another case for a National..., posted by europete on Jul 11, 2003

I suppose with bombs going off in Moscow and Ukraine being a neigbor, they're doing their jobs making sure there is some reasonable protection in their fair city.

Everyone here has posted something about the woes that are going on in Eastern Europe, from bombs going off, contract hits to kids being abucted and forced into the sex slave biz.

While no doubt these guys are hitting you up for a bribe, it is nice to know they're atleast looking for potential bad guys in the process.

I just think a picture ID with encrypted personal information on board would make sense in this country...

We so of are told by our gov't as to high level of scrunity the REDS have put upon their people, but in all reality those forms which your lady had to get before she was legal able to enter are country are extremely questionably in correct content.  Hence, she can probably bribe someone to cook up some stuff to put on those documents.

I guess that's why the ex-Nazi moved to South American countries, as they too knew that North America is a heavily policed state.  We can boast about "freedom" of self expression etc... but you and I know full well, somebody is keeping tabs on you.

Especially guys that go off and meet foreign nationals and have high level security clearances to boot.

[wsbill]

... in response to Re: Why do you think they wanted to see ..., posted by wsbill on Jul 13, 2003

Terrorist attack in this country, everyone will suddenly liken the idea of this form of instant identification.

You know, why they're having such a difficult time tracking down these terrorist is because they don't use the telephone systems and they know not to carry on conversations in metal building or a location where their voice will re-verberate into electromagnetic energy.

Deep down inside of a cave in the middle of no where was a pretty secure location.  No doubt, that's why Saddam had those subway systems built for a quick exit and communication security.

[Lynn]

... in response to Re: I think when we have another, posted by wsbill on Jul 13, 2003

..........to look after national security, then you could hire half of us to watch the rest of us work to pay the salaries of those hired to watch us, dang that makes sense doesn't it, maybe we could switch places every-other week so those working wouldn't get so tired, and here's another businees for you---you could make little badges for all of us so our number and photo of course could be displayed at all times, woooppee I can see it now, those of us watching could carry little two way radios with us at all times to report if someone spends too much time in the bathroom (they could be breeding bolsheviks in there you know), maybe you could get a job reading what they write on the bathroom walls----what was that rhyme about that,,,hmm

[Lynn]

... in response to Re: Re: Just another case for a National..., posted by europete on Jul 11, 2003

"Also, hospitals now demand parents fill out the forms to obtain a SSN for their newborn infants."

Guess why, there is apparently a kick back of sorts if you comply, some say it's it's a kind of point system tied to government funds available to the hospital- I really don't know. But it is just a bluff to get you to comply, without a name---there can be no number assigned. Don't want to comply? Your choice. When it comes time to leave--ask for the wheelchair, if they insist on the baby being named (so it can be numbered) before you leave the hospital-----a request for a phone so you can dial 911 and report a attempted kidnapping with produce the wheelchair immediately.

[Lynn]

... in response to Re: Just another case for a National ID ..., posted by wsbill on Jul 10, 2003

...new wheels for your residence, put it and your 'mater factory on a boat to maybe Ukraine and see how it is to live under those conditions before you go wishing it on the rest of us.

You really don't have a clue to how life is outside of your little world, do you. You are fed by the boob tube every night and swallow that line of dung---hook, line & sinker. For your information, other than a MOB type marriage, there is "no" requirement for a marriage license unless of course you are looking for some kind of gummit benefit. The only reason it is required in a MOB marriage is so that the "state" can be a party to it and claim as chattel property any offspring produced---don't believe me, as the DSS who your children belong to. Hint, it ain't you.

I suppose you don't care to answer the questions I posed to you before, do you.

[wsbill]

... in response to Maybe you should buy......, posted by Lynn on Jul 10, 2003

So how can I answer you.

Sounds like your living in denial.  Wonder if I should contact the FBI and have them check you out. (NOT KIDDING).

If your so parnoid about our Gov't there are plenty of countries to the south of us in the tropics where Americans can go and live a private life.

I'm saying a National ID makes sense.  The mere fact you probably have a credit card in your wallet and everytime you walk in and out of a store you do know those scanners at the door are design to read anything with a electro magnetic strip.   Again, our gov't knows more about you than you think.

But the whole idea is to protect you and your turf from foreign invaders.

No doubt in the next 10 years we'll probably have another 9/11 type of event.  Maybe not airplanes, but one that will rattle people.

But you probably won't know about it since your living in a cave somewhere.

Is the Uni-bomber friend (Ted K.) ?

[MtMav]

... in response to Re: You alittle off your rocker on you q..., posted by wsbill on Jul 11, 2003

N/T

[NW Jim]

... in response to wsbill, Read more; Post less! N/T, posted by MtMav on Jul 11, 2003

n/t

[Lynn]

... in response to Re: You alittle off your rocker on you q..., posted by wsbill on Jul 11, 2003

Maybe, but you never answered it. Did you?

I'm not paranoid, just stating facts & you are too dumb to get it.

"Wonder if I should contact the FBI and have them check you out. (NOT KIDDING)." Maybe you could tell them how you saw bigfoot, or the aliens abducted you, Oh My! I'm afraid even they could see thru your dribble and realize you stayed in the greenhouse too long

I leave you with this verse:

Galatians 4:16 Have I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth?