Agency vs Non-Agency Girls

[Safari]

How many of you met your RW through an agency or
personals (paid or free), and how many didn't use an agency,
meeting conventionally.

My thought is, to at least some degree, even the sincerest
agency girls will already have the partial goal of getting to the
West, and that non-agency girls won't automatically have this
mindset.

This doesn't necessarily disqualify a woman, but it certainly
merits consideration.  What's your opinion on this?

[Yeahbaby]

... in response to Agency vs Non-Agency Girls, posted by Safari on May 24, 2003

Well, I met my wife through an ad.  She had never been in an agency.  Her feeling, the same as many agency girls, is not to "get to the west", but to find a GOOD man who wants a family and will take responsibilty for one.  From my wifes perperspective (and many other women I met there), it is very difficult to find this in a man there.  The disadvantage I found in girls from agencies was that often many had become "jaded" through the process.  And if they happen to get in with a dishonest agency or have a lot of contact with other women in an agency who are not honest, it can often be a very poor influence.  There is no doubt that there are a lot of scammers in agencies.
My feeling is that there are certainly some nice girls in agencies but if I were to do it again, I would definitely run ads again..

My take,
Oscar

[Safari]

... in response to Re: Agency vs Non-Agency Girls, posted by Yeahbaby on May 25, 2003

By "jaded," do you mean they've been Westernized (i.e. spoiled by
Western men spending money on them), sick of flaky men not being
serious, or something entirely different?

[Yeahbaby]

... in response to Re: Agency vs Non-Agency Girls, posted by Safari on May 26, 2003

I think often spoiled by western men throwing money at them certainly, but more than that, in the sense of many of these women "learning" how to "play" American men.  If a woman hangs out with the wrong women in an agency, she can learn real fast how to do things like this.  I met many "players" there.  It's all part of the lovely education us men must earn over there through experience! LOL!

Oscar

[Travis]

... in response to Agency vs Non-Agency Girls, posted by Safari on May 24, 2003

There is one other method of meeting. I'm very curious if other men here have gone this route and what their thinking is on this. I have a local ad, US type (local to where I live), but I have received a few emails from Russian ladies wanting to initiate meeting in respose to my local ad. I ain't all that and these women write to me because I'm Western, in my opinion. Is that in itself a red flag? Everyone here on the board knows I'm an idiot so I may as well ask these questions.

To answer your question, I didn't use an agency. My wife's was a local ad on excite.

[Pordzhik]

... in response to Another method?, posted by Travis on May 25, 2003

Well it seems that your wife did target you and your city to be near her friend.

I had never posted an ad myself anywhere, I just responded to several ads of different women before meeting my wife.

I met my wife from her ad on www.loot.co.uk (which is really targeted at London readers) She had been searching for awhile (18 months) and had narrowed her search to English speakers for ease of communication and later only to Gt. Britain, after disapointments with Americans who showed no intentions of ever visiting Ukraine and enquires from men (and little boys!) far outside her age spec who feigned an interest in her home city of Kiev (she called them "collectors of photographs") I was careful to look for ulterior motives and clues as to any connections with England or London.

Later in her search she decided not to post ads with her photograph, reasoning that she wanted a man who showed genuine interest in her mind and her personality, rather than her beauty. It was only after six weeks of writing that I discovered the colour of her hair and eyes, and when her pictures did arrive (by post) I was bowled over!

Maybe it would be interesting for you to write to some of the women on www.loot.co.uk or www.russianlondon.com and see the reactions when they discover you're from Texas?

[Bobby Orr]

... in response to Another method?, posted by Travis on May 25, 2003

I have a feeling they are scammers - but write "them" and see how it unfolds.  The second they ask for money you know what they are.

[Griffin]

... in response to Another method?, posted by Travis on May 25, 2003

I did something similar.

I started out using a small agency with limited success.

I then had my bio translated to Russian and ran it, along with a photo and a description of the type of woman I was looking for, in several Ukranian newspapers.  I also used it to respond to ads in freepersonals.ru.

I had included both my email and snail mail addresses.

I got several (20 or so)quality responses to the newspaper ads and several handwritten pleas for money from a woman who said her son was dying of brain cancer.  I hope it was a scam.

The freepersonal responses brought a lot (4 or 5) virus attacks. a barrage of nude photos of a woman I had written to from some guy in Belgium who apparantly had a failed relationship with her and has now hacked his way into being able to intercept emails directed to her, as well as a letter from my bride to be.

If anyone knows how to reach rural Russian women, I would like to hear it.  I live on a ranch and have no desire to change.  The Russian women I have met condider rural life to be a sacrifice.

[hockeybrain]

... in response to Re: Another method?, posted by Griffin on May 25, 2003

Griffin - email me.  I have a Russian friend who is trying a novel approach to help guys meet girls.  What he is doing is setting up a webpage for the guy - linking it to the Russian sites where RW are looking for RM - but if they see a Westerner, may like the idea of trying a Western man.  I do not know what he will charge each guy - but I am sure it is not much.  He can target the sites in any location you want.  I would suggest the Omsk / Novosibirsk region for a guy looking for a girl at home on a ranch.

[Safari]

... in response to Re: Another method?, posted by Griffin on May 25, 2003

What about rural life within a half-hour of a major city?

[Griffin]

... in response to Rural life, posted by Safari on May 26, 2003

She wanted what she had come from.  New York is the only city in this country that would have come close to what she wanted.

[Safari]

... in response to wasn't acceptable, posted by Griffin on May 26, 2003

Wow, that's some stiff criteria, although I imagine she could find that if
that's what she really wants.  But IMO and not knowing the all the facts,
it sounds like a possible red flag of inflexibility.

[Griffin]

... in response to Re: wasn't acceptable, posted by Safari on May 26, 2003

to the length of time we have been married.

"Red flags" are a separate issue.  IMHO red flags are only useful to the extent that "they're all the same".  I am suspicious of checklist approaches.

[LP]

... in response to Her flexibility is inversely proportiona..., posted by Griffin on May 26, 2003

...but people will do the strangest things when in love. They'll ignore (or accept) just about anything to be together. We read that here time and again. Are you getting my drift Griff? Maybe it's time to cut your losses?

Btw, in my biz checklists are the only way, otherwise the approach may go sour in a hurry. Guess it's only works with machines and not women. ;-)

[Travis]

... in response to Re: Another method?, posted by Griffin on May 25, 2003

If I had to guess, this Belgian guy either guessed or trapped his former ladies password and she has email using something like yahoo or hotmail. Guessing passwords isn't overly difficult if you know the person. Trapping is a bit more involved...must be local, doesn't work with hotmail because they use SSL. There are other ways but again it is more involved.