Jack had said that with his experience, around 78 % wmvm and 22 % wovo.

I asked Jack a question about success as he has observed it relative to these two approaches. Here was his response:  

Jack: "Greg based on the guys I work with, and have worked with over the last five years, of the guys who are truely serious, not the type of guys who are clueless and flip-flop on ideas, procedures and opinions weekly, but of the truely serious guys who approach this pursuit in such a manner, between 15 and 18% of the guys who wovo end up in marrying that woman. I see about 26% of the guys who wovo actually bringing the lady over on a K-1 but she returns and I see about a third of the guys who wovo actually getting engaged while in the FSU. About 65% of the guys who wovo come back with a little different attitude about wovo. Of the 65% who return feeling they were unsuccessful with the wovo approach, about 70% will change and go wmvm and about 30% will again go the wovo.

Again wovo or wmvm is a personal thing. There is no right or wrong way. Some guys just cannot write more than one, or want to write more than one woman at a time. They are only comfortable with wovo and so this is of course the best way for them."

Women Who Won't Want You if You Write Many Visit Many

I am sure it works either way for different people; this is just my own experience.

Steve M.

Even if these figures are completely accurate, they are somewhat skewed by the nature of your source.

This is obvious. To draw a parallel:

If I conducted an online poll asking: "How important is the internet in your day to day life?" and then reported that over 90% of the respondents claimed it was "Very Important"... can I then conclude that 90% of all Americans find the internet important to their day to day lives?

Not hardly. The fact that the respondents were able to get on the internet shows a certain bias.

Likewise, a marriage agency -- especially one which has been extremely vocal in promoting the WMVM approach -- will necessarily draw men who are more inclined to go with that approach, and their numbers will skew accordingly.

I could tell you that over 90% of the guys who write to me and tell me of their trips to Russia are WOVO guys. And, in fact, that is true. However, considering the fact that I am on record as being a proponent of the WOVO, that makes perfect sense.

Of the people I have personally met, corresponded with, and gotten to know, the success stories have been overwhelmingly WOVO.

There is not enough data, however, to be statistically relevant. I submit that no one has those numbers or data…

So, unfortunately, there is no scientific data or approach which can be applied to this.

No matter how much you scientists wish there were :-)

I was never a vocal proponent of WMVM as much as I was simply a first dream follower, doing what my hired expert told me to do.

I was also a newbie, so guys didn't write me much off-line.

It wasn't until after I broke ranks and the flame war erupted that I would get emails from the more timid who wanted to know more. They didn't want to post their questions here, because they knew they would be called idiots and worse for going WOVO.

BTW, for the record, I think that "WOVO" is a misnomer. I never wrote just one person. I did, however, use my letter writing to narrow down the field to just one, whom I then wrote exclusively. WMVO is probably more accurate, at least for me.

As for what I meant when I said: "success stories have been overwhelmingly WOVO" I meant that the guys who wrote me privately to tell me about their successes were almost all WOVO guys. As I stated before, WMVM guys simply didn't write me. Why would they?

As for how many of these guys there were, it varied. Today, when I am hardly active here, I get very few. I suppose in all, I had about fifteen or twenty guys write me off line to tell me about their success stories. Some also post here. Many do not.

Twenty isn't a lot. As I said in my original post to Greg, I don't have enough to make it statistically relevant.

But, it IS about 18 more than this board gets, and that has to do with the hostility that WOVO proponents face on here. Not that anyone on here cares, of course...

Incidentally, I never said that a man could not be successful with the WMVM, or even the approach of organizing your own "Who wants to Marry a Rich American White Guy?" show... but personally I found such methods (especially the latter)  distasteful and demeaning to the women.

And, my main point always was that WOVO had merit. And a man who decides to do it is not a fool. He isn't a good revenue source for an agency, perhaps, but that doesn't make him a fool...

Please keep posting. This post was a gem.

Thanks.

- Dan

I would agree with you totally. However, it is information of which there is some value. Your point is well taken as some might not put into the equation the factors you mention.