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Author Topic: after deep consideration......  (Read 13682 times)
CS767
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« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to do you only see the dark side?, posted by Stan B on Feb 22, 2003

Thats how I read it--was that what you meant?I would do the same!
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CS767
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« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to I did most of these things., posted by dandy on Feb 21, 2003

Good post!You sound like you have done some considerable research.Good luck in May!I will be going in April to Sevastapol so we may cross paths.I lived on 12th Ave for 11 years.Worked for the local airline.Drop me an email ,maybe we can share some more info.I am going to hire an Immigration Atty
so I know the paperwork is done right.  cs
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MarkInTx
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« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: I did most of these things., posted by CS767 on Feb 21, 2003

You mean the K-1 paperwork?

You don't need an attorney for that ... honest... it is pretty straight forward. Save your money for the areas you will need it.

I am the world's worst "form" person... and I did it.

Drop me a line if you want a copy of my app...

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CS767
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« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: I did most of these things., posted by MarkInTx on Feb 22, 2003

Mark,
 Thanks for the post ,I would love to get a copy of the forms.I have tried over the net and it wont download.My email is in my profile.Thanks
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LP
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« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Re: I did most of these things., posted by CS767 on Feb 22, 2003

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thesearch
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« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to I did most of these things., posted by dandy on Feb 21, 2003

Sounds all good to men Dandy. The more information that you give the less ammunition the dissenters have to point the finger at.

That is why my position is to not criticize someone but only ask questions until one really knows the story. Then, if one thinks that the guy needs to rethink things ---- let him know.

Dandy, have you gotten much flack from anyone you know at home over doing this?

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dandy
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« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: I did most of these things., posted by thesearch on Feb 21, 2003

I have received no flack from anyone. The Attorney who works in the Immigration department offered his representation, told me his concern and gave me all the forms.  Work is very supportive and has adjusted my billable hour requirement so I can make the trips to Ukraine.  It was my mothers idea in the first place, my brother married a chinese immigrant, and my friends emailed me everyday I was in Ukraine to see how things were going.  My two best friends who are both girls have offered to take time off work when she first comes over so that when I have to go back to work they can spend the days with her (if she wants too).  When I go over in May several of my friends asked if they could travel with me.  I told them I would think about it..... I don't know if that is a good idea.  What do yall think?  I am lucky that I have been met with so much encouragement.
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Stan
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« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to I did most of these things., posted by dandy on Feb 21, 2003

I aggree w/ Yoe, all what he posted is very true, ,  and what you did seems so far to have worked well for you. All advice here is that, advice. Live your life how you have to and don't look here for a pat on the back, it doesn't come that often and shouldn't be important. Weigh over the advice and choose what your head tells ya, and hopefully you'll use your thinking head.  Smiley  ( My other one ALWAYS got me in trouble,,, well, most of the time) Wink
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dandy
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« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: I did most of these things., posted by Stan on Feb 21, 2003

LOL I hear yah about the whole other head getting ya in trouble.  That is one thing that makes this seem to work so well.  I can't get caught up in the physicality of this relationship.  I don't even think of the whole sex aspect.  When I think of her I think of her intelligence the thought that she is absolutely bueatiful rarely crossess my mind when I think of wanting to see her again. I also think that this is a big plus for me/us.
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Cold Warrior
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« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to after deep consideration......, posted by yoe on Feb 21, 2003

when you're off grass.( just kidding). Good post Yoe.
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Pacifix
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« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to after deep consideration......, posted by yoe on Feb 21, 2003

Very informative and insightful, Joe. I want to add a few thoughts.

One of the biggest challenges in this adventure is logic and pragmatism. We're talking about three of the most powerful and unlogical forces at work here. Love, lust and need of survival.

See the following scenario:

Take one well established 45 year old western man. Then take an underdeveloped country filled with pragmatic women, or call it survivors.

Add a dream in the head of the man. A dream of unspoiled women, a dream of being loved without a lot of buts, maybe a dream of past times when women did certain things and men other things.

Then add a dream in the head of the women. Yes, a dream of love, but also a dream of giving your children a future, a dream where you can afford to eat what you want, a dream of a nice house (like in the American movies), a dream of doing something else than just surviving.

Then add 3 weeks vacation to this man every year. Send him to this country for 2 of those weeks.

He's astonished. First he sees bottomless poverty. People without legs, women with half-dead children begging for money, old people with their backs higher than their heads and strange things growing out of their faces. And there are just miles and miles of them!

After the first impression has easened the man feels like a snack and maybe a little shopping. He's amazed by the low prices. He could virtually buy the whole country. He feels like a king!

After one week in this country the sun appears. He goes out on the street to enjoy the weather. *SHABOOM* 20 year old women in mini-skirts. They're not fat, they're not ugly and most important they're forth comming. As a small hottie passes by, the man looks at a striving woman at his own age. His eyes moves from the mature woman to his hand full of dollar bills. With one week of vacation left he quickly runs after the 20 year old. He asks if she want to join him for a coffee. She accepts.

The man is very lucky. After only one week he found someone he thinks is right for him. She's sooo gorgeous, SEXY and nice. She even says that she really likes him. He's in heaven!

She sees an established knight in shining armor. Ok, the armor is a tad grey, but she can learn to appriciate that. Their expectations "clicks" and more so. What about their hearts? What will their hearts do with only 1 + 1 week at hand?

For me it took one second to get interested in my wife and one year to love her. I had to fight one year before she got really interested in me and then one month to love me. I spent four months in Ukraine before marriage. She spent one month here. From when we first met till we married 18 months passed. Ok, we're all different, but you can't rush your heart into your tight schedule. You must make your schedule around your heart.

If you think that you can find your dream woman by just browsing the web, think again. Your brain might be very pragmatic and set on criterias (height, hair color, education), but it's your heart that should take the decision. Your heart looks for much deeper things. Things that are revealed when two souls meet face to face. If you meet the women before writing you can speak with your heart when you write them. Without it you're just writing a fantasy.

So Joe, my added recommandations would be:

1. Men, make sure you get more vacation than three weeks. Make a budget and take an extended leave without pay or something. Otherwise forget it. It's not for you. We're not talking talking about a calculated risk here. We're talking stupid!

2. Begin the adventure by going to Ukraine just to get aclimiated to the country. Hook up with a guide, meet people, but don't date. Look, but don't touch. The country by itself is big enough impression. Combined with mini-skirts on the streets it's just plain dynamite! :-)

3. Go home and THINK if you really want to do this.

4. Set wide criterias for what kind of women you want to meet. Remember that your heart doesn't follow your brain's criterias. Be flexible! E.g. my wife is 2 years older than me. Normally I wouldn't look for someone older than me.

5. Go back to Ukraine and date, date, date and date some more. If you must write before dating write only a very short time (Don't write a fantasy!).

6. Write those women you "clicked" with during dating for some period.

7. Narrow down your choices and continue courtship with writing, phone contact and visits. Make sure you live with the selected woman for some time before the final decision. Leave sex out of it as long as possible. You don't want to add another confusing ingredient (lust) to it all.

Of course there are many ways to Rome and we're all different. This is just food for thought.

So Joe, was the post long enough for ya? Just so you know: When I say "you" in the post I don't necessarily mean you Yoe, of course unless you really want it to be Yoe. Now... My wife sure won't like me giving you so much attention, so I got to go. ;-)

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Mike
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« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to after deep consideration......, posted by yoe on Feb 21, 2003

Yoe,
You gave very good advice for those that like to go about things with caution, or like to do things by the book. As most people know there isn't any method that will produce a sure thing.
For those who aren't afraid to take a risk from time to time
I would suggest they make plans to visit the FSU as if on a vacation and at the same time be prepared in the event you meet a girl that strikes your fancy. Having an agency to work with isn't a bad ideal at all, but some of the best girls feel ashaimed to use an agency as it is seen as something for desperate women there by many ladies. The chat room thing is a good place to find girls to meet before going.
I went to Moscow just to have fun and see something exotic and used no agency and met my wife just by striking up a conversation with her, and of the 3 weeks I was there I met many many nice girls on my own. My cousin who in the beggining used an agency for his first trip and met many ladies but none  that impressed him, and after that first trip he realized that the agency thing was something he didn't need, anyway the lady he's married to now he found while in a chat room prior to one of his trips there.(along with other girls that he weeded out once there) He and I both did the K-1 to see them on our turf. I married my wife and filed the papers before the 90 days were over but, my cousin waited until the last minute and had to file the I-130. Taking K-1 papers is also a great idea because I waisted a lot of time getting this together, so I suggest taking everything you need and if anything leave them there with a friend. ( I made many friends there )

I'm not saying Yoe is wrong, but for those who have that spur of the moment kind of charactor I see nothing wrong with going there and if you meet a girl that really strikes your fancy then bring her here on the K-1 and do your judging here where it counts. The cost of this method is equal to, or less then the agency route and the many flights there to do your research. Just don't promise them anything but a vacation here, if it feels right then you can go for it without spending exta thousands.

Yes the K-1 is being abused, but that's if things don't work out. Hey if they were aloud to come here like other Europe countries then it wouldn't be this way.

Yoe you gave very good advice and I'm not trying to step on your toes, just thought I would give this info to those that like to go off the beaten path.
Mike

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Jski
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« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to after deep consideration......, posted by yoe on Feb 21, 2003

If you bring the K-1 paperwork with and you do decide to fill it out, there's one piece that you will need that's not on a form......  She needs to write a letter about her intent to marry you within the 90 days and sign it.  Don't forget to bring that back with you (like I did :-)
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rojak
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« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: after deep consideration......, posted by Jski on Feb 21, 2003

This must be something brand new. It was not a part of the process when I brought Anna here a while ago. Our experience was that the INS folks wanted only to see exactly what they specified. Nothing else mattered. Round peg in a round hole process.
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Jski
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« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2003, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: after deep consideration......, posted by rojak on Feb 21, 2003

It's straight from the INS site and the I-129 instructions:

5. What documents do you need to prove you can
legally marry?

Copies of evidence that you and your fiancé(e) have
personally met within the last two years, or if you have
never met within the last two years, provide a detailed
explanation and evidence of the extreme hardship or
customary, cultural or social practices which have
prohibited your meeting; and

Original statements from you and your fiancé(e) whom you
plan to marry within 90 days of his/her admission, and
copies of any evidence you wish to submit to establish
your mutual intent.

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