Scam alert.

[Oscar]

... in response to Enough!!!, posted by Streetwise on Jan 30, 2003

of why I always followed the advice to never send money to a woman you have never met.  And one step further- never give money to (or buy very expensive gifts) for a woman you do not intend to marry.
I found it an excellent policy for the most part.  I have been to the FSU 4x, dated many women there and aside from having to pay for a few dinners here and there for a scammer or two, I never got hurt following this advice.  I had more than a few situations come up where I had been on a couple of dates with a woman and she would come right out and ask me to buy her a new fur coat or a new tea service or yes, even a tv.  I just always told them the same thing- "sorry, but I was advised never to buy things like this for a woman I was not engaged to" and boy, did that pisss a few women off! LOL!  Knew immediately what they were about and it saved a lot of time.  To the curb with'em and on to the next.. ;-)

[LP]

... in response to Enough!!!, posted by Streetwise on Jan 30, 2003

...."I'm not sure what he would have to gain by making it up." and "We've all done it".

Huh? Streetwise, maybe you need to change your handle. ;-) And no, some of us haven't done it. Assuming it's even true, he goes on a tour and then spends his entire time with one girl? Then he proposes to her? You're calling that a "lapse in judgment"? And he's warning us about her?
True or not, it's powerful queer behavior.

I'm willin to listen. Hey Beamish, care to tell us a little about yer past? Relationships? Marriages? Recently divorced are ye? How you became, and for how long you've been involved, in the MOB scene? To those with some insight and objectivity about themselves, that would be much more useful than your "scam" experience.

[Streetwise]

... in response to Say what?..., posted by LP on Jan 30, 2003

I'm just trying to go easy on the guy, I think he knows he cocked up! OK, not many have actually proposed to a stranger (personally I would take a lot longer than most here before going that far). I'll keep the handle thanks; I've covered 15 different cities in 6 different FSU countries over 6 years (I'm choosy), I have got myself out of scrapes with customs officers, I've bribed Antonov pilots to accept me on full flights, I've hired local security to escort me in problem areas, I dated a beautiful girl in Kiev who carried a revolver in her glovebox for protection, and I have driven 9 hours from Simferopol to Kiev in an old Lada. I've had some great memories and I've hopefully now found the one I've been waiting for...

But what would I know about all of this? I have no experience of organised tours, I go my own way thanks.

[LP]

... in response to Re: Say what?..., posted by Streetwise on Jan 30, 2003

....He more than cocked up. There is a difference between making a mistake (which involves violating a "resonable standard") and doing something just plain crazy. And while I agree it  takes a big man to admit he made a mistake, I wouldn't tell anyone if I did what he did.

It's supposed to be a kinder and gentler board so I won't call old Sqeamish an idiot. I won't say he's the reason the public thinks we're all losers or that guys like him give the entire business a bad smell. Or that actions like his often result in bad marriages, pain and grief for everyone involved and could conceivably bring more govermental control on the process, thereby increasing the difficulty for those yet to make the leap.

Or that even when such a meeting "works", it's still an example of guys who can't control themselves or think rationaly. Why anyone would come here and fess up to such an action is beyond me, a "mistake" it's not. And then blame the chick on top of it as if, as KenC points out, this is the normal way of doing things in the first place. From where I sit this isn't even a simple POB case.

So I'll just say his method was not too swift, something that typifies the lack of control and impulsive mindset of many involved in MOB. While I certainly understand the motivation that could drive a man to this state (a place most have been) I fail to understand why anyone would exersice such poor control over their own destiny. After all, who's in charge?

He was fortunate it died before it went further, otherwise he'd likely end up another sad story in a long line of sad stories that do no one any good. His actions are but a symptom of a deeper problem. Until many of the men involved can be honest with themsleves about the motivation behind their search, most will continue to make such "mistakes".

Btw, bribing pilots and packin heat are something I do all the time. No big deal....but if you drove from Simferopol to Kiev in a Lada, thats definately crazier than I am. ;-)

[thesearch]

... in response to Fair nuff...., posted by LP on Jan 30, 2003

LP "It's supposed to be a kinder and gentler board so I won't call old Sqeamish an idiot."

"I won't say he's the reason the public thinks we're all losers or that guys like him give the entire business a bad smell. Or that actions like his often result in bad marriages, pain and grief for everyone involved and could conceivably bring more govermental control on the process, thereby increasing the difficulty for those yet to make the leap."

Gee I am glad you did not tell him that or let on to what you were thinkin.  LOL

Hey what happened to the post where I chided you? I came back and all gone.

[LP]

... in response to Re: Fair nuff...., posted by thesearch on Jan 30, 2003

...was that what you were doin, my good man? ;-) I dunno, I guess Patrick threw out the baby with the sewer water.

As for Beamish, I was attempting to adhere to a discussion of the fella's tactics and methods rather than pound on the Hombre himself. There are those here who say that's the correct method, that somehow the two are seperate and different.

Hey, I'm willin to try anything once....

[yoe]

... in response to Chided me?...., posted by LP on Jan 30, 2003

I have a sheep, some grape jello and firemans helmet if you are up to it-and yes I am sure their is some kind of freudian pun here.
Eoj
#8oP
the hoppy Yoe

[John F]

... in response to Scam alert., posted by Beamish on Jan 29, 2003

So if she's a scammer, have you reported her to a scammer site?  If yes, where so we can see.  If not, why not.  Is she still listed on Kherson Rose?  If so, how can we find her?

[Beamish]

... in response to Re: Scam alert., posted by John F on Jan 30, 2003

If you have the URL for a scammer site, please send it to me or post it here.  I have already sent an email to russiangirls.

I have been searching Kherson agency's looking for her, thats the only way I know of to find her listing.

I never said I used "A Kherson Rose".

Thanks,

Beamish.

[John F]

... in response to Re: Re: Scam alert., posted by Beamish on Jan 30, 2003

www.firstdream.com and www.antiscam.org are two I know of.  I'm sure if you do a search you will find more.  You may even find her picture / profile.

[RickM]

... in response to Scam alert., posted by Beamish on Jan 29, 2003

This story puts a new meaning to the term "FISH ON THE END OF A HOOK"......SCARRY.......

[Beamish]

... in response to Scheeeeeshhhh......, posted by RickM on Jan 30, 2003

That scenario does not exist anyplace besides between your ears.

Beamish.

[LP]

... in response to Scheeeeeshhhh......, posted by RickM on Jan 30, 2003

....but Squeamish isn't the one hooked. Read the story again....

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Scam alert., posted by Beamish on Jan 29, 2003

[This message has been edited by MarkInTx]

You joined here in August, and made the first post (asking about Embassy prices) in November...

Your next post was in December when you aked if anyone had information on A Kherson Rose.

Now this post...

So here's where the guys here have a problem:

Most guys who start out asking a question: "How much does a Ukraine Visa cost?" don't disappear and then reappear after their tour. Which makes most guys on here doubt that you ever actually went on a tour.

Assuming that you did, in fact, go on a tour... most people who had your experience would post the agency's name. After all, if you were scammed by a girl you met on their tour, wouldn't you wonder about the Agency's sincerity? So, the fact that you hide the angency's identity makes most guys here think you are making it up. (After all, if you name an agency, it would be easy enough to know if they even HAD a tour then... That wouldn't be why you didn't name the agency... would it?)

Finally, you are very specific about a woman who you saw on someone else's (?) website, which is odd. How did you know it was her? it wouldn't be that you have an axe to grind with her for some reason... would it?

In the event that EVERYTHING in your story IS true, I think most guys here wonder about a guy who goes to a strange city, meets a girl who doesn't (as far as he knows) speak English, spends one evening with her, and yet proposes to her. More specifically, we wonder: "What in the world were you reading since August?" Because you sure didn't get that advice here...

So... the response you get will be somewhat cynical... unless you care to flesh out the story a little...?

[Beamish]

... in response to Here's the thing..., posted by MarkInTx on Jan 30, 2003

I left the Agency name out of the post because they are not responsible for this girl's actions.  Fact is, the lady was new with the agency; information I was aware of when I met her.  Any responsibility is mine.

Thankfully, you don't know which agency I used ,as I was in the process of trying to find one I felt was best when I asked on this board.  Why should I blame an agency for actions I took and my decisions?

Asking a girl to marry you doesn't mean she is coming to live with you tomorrow, there is plenty of time to get to know each other before that event ever takes place. The fiance visa allows you three additional months to get to know each other as well.

I don't recommend doing what I did , but it's a choice I made and I'll live with it.

I know more than the few experts are reading this board. Even if I am not being honest, as some of you think, hopefully they will be cautious if ever meeting Svetlana.

As to why I don't post more often, just read this thread. Some of you guy's are pretty brutal.  I hope the more brutal among you don't treat relationships with Eastern European woman the way you treat others on this board.

Beamish.