Kind of a cute story-

[KenC]

... in response to Good for you Ken!, posted by Jack on Jan 10, 2003

Jack,
Be a trend setter and stop reffering to some azzhole in Texas.  Someone has to take the first step, why not make it you?
KenC

[Jack]

... in response to then why don't you start?, posted by KenC on Jan 10, 2003

Ken, I can, as I have, never reply or comment about or too, anyone I have personal difference's with and reply and or comment only after x number of cheapshots, slanderous statements or lies.

[KenC]

... in response to (*/*), posted by Jack on Jan 10, 2003

Jack,
I can understand how you can get fed up and blast someone, but you too are guilty of continuing the little jabs here and there.  I don't take any offense to blasting someone (stating your disagreement with them), but it is the little subtle jabs that keep the conflict alive that I disagree with.  After the "blast" really drop it.
KenC

[Jack]

... in response to Re: (*/*), posted by KenC on Jan 10, 2003

Ken, after I blasted the person in questioned last week, I dropped it, end of story, no more comments from me towards or about this individual. Then yesterday, more subtle jabs and comments from this individual about me, and I reacted.

Ken, watch closely over the next few weeks as an example. You will see that I will only comment and come back on this particular individual only after he makes his continued negative comments and remarks about me.

[BubbaGump]

... in response to (*/*), posted by Jack on Jan 10, 2003

I want to book some travel with you this spring but your board rants leave me a little worried that any wrong comments from me of my experiences will have you attacking me on the board.  Of course I understand your anger with Mark_H a while back since a lot of his complaints seemed to be invalidated by his screwing up the trip plans.  But what I would want from a service provider is discreteness.  You can blast me now since I am only an anonymous talking head.

[Richard]

... in response to Speaking of blasts, posted by BubbaGump on Jan 10, 2003

I have been a client of Jack's in my search. I have planned several trips with Jack spanning more than a year. I have shared siginificant details with Jackand that you have always been discreet, despite our disagreements.

[Jack]

... in response to Speaking of blasts, posted by BubbaGump on Jan 10, 2003

Hey BubbaGump, you will have enough to do with with all the work and time it takes to put together a successful trip,
you don't need to worry about the person you are working with to tell the world all about you and your trip. Therefore let me help you with one less worry that you don't need to have as you begin your prepartion by withdrawing my services as a possiable option for you. If you will let me know where you want to go and when, I will try to give you the name of a few people who might be able to help you and who will be discrete with your affairs.

[BubbaGump]

... in response to (*/*), posted by Jack on Jan 11, 2003

I'll take your word for it since you have many satisfied customers on this board.

[Dan]

... in response to Speaking of blasts, posted by BubbaGump on Jan 10, 2003

In spite of what your hear from some of the ignorant posters on the board, I have had plenty of disagreements with Jack over the years I've known him.

Most were on the phone or face-to-face, but a few were on this board as well.

Jack is not the sort to air a bunch of dirty laundry in public - provided the other guy deals with him straight-up and directly AND does not hurt anyone in the process.

In fact, there have been quite a few times when I've told him I respect his opinion, but I was going to do it my way regardless. Jack has always respected that - again, so long as the only person I was endangering or potentially harming was myself.

Now - to be fair - I have never had any significant business arrangement with Jack. I *think* I may have purchased a handful of addresses from him quite a long time ago - but any financial transaction was far less than $100 and not significant to either of us in any way.

You may be talking about a more involved arrangement, and I suppose it is possible that might change the dynamic - but I highly doubt it.

In fact, one of the things I most recall about Jack was an event a couple of years ago in which I found myself literally running from the Ukrainian Militsia in Kyiv. I was in the US Embassy speaking with the Regional Security Director and discussing plans for daily communications and possible emergency repatriation.

Jack was on the phone from Texas with me at least twice a day. While there wasn't much he could have done directly - it was somewhat of a relief just knowing that he knew the situation and understood the plans and could involve the necessary US authorities if it should come to that. It didn't - but Jack spent a LOT of his time and money and NEVER asked me for a penny.

He *is* a quality guy and one that you can count on in a pinch.

Now watch and see the grief I'll get over recounting a factual event that just happens to support Jack --smile--.

- Dan

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Relax Bubba . . ., posted by Dan on Jan 10, 2003

If you're expecting grief from me... it's not coming.

I don't think I've ever said anything bad about Firstdream as a business.

I, too, used Jack in StPb, and he did nice follow-up when I was there.

I never said otherwise. There were things I didn't like about the trip, but I don't necessarily think that they were his fault... and he did not really plan the whole trip for me "his way" so I never said anything bad about the little things that went wrong.

I do think that he wants to have things done "his way" if he helps you, and I have also said many times that if you like "his way", that you probably won't have any problems with using Firstdream. I just also point out that his way is not always the best way.

Now, I don't know how discreet Bubba wants to keep his dealings... but I am not sure that I would call Jack exactly "discreet," either.

And, on planet-love (which is different entirely than his business) Jack is an internet bully who enjoys picking fights, and can be extremely childish.

In fact, I think you are both missing the real message of Bubba's post.

I think he was trying to nicely tell Jack that his on-board persona is hurting his business...

At least that is how I read it..

As for me blasting you for defending Firstdream... You miss the point entirely. The "blast" I gave was when you criticized "scammer.net" which appears to be a non-profit organization, and certainly haven't done any blatant advertising worthy of your snide post.

I have also defended Anastasia's right to have a signature which listed her translation services.

And, I also think that it is fine that Mike occasionally posts about his available Moscow apartment.

My complaint ISN'T that Jack gets away with self-promoting posts from time to time... my complaint is that no one else seems to be able to.

It is this that I think is wrong, for it detracts from the usefulness of the board.

[Dan]

... in response to Sorry to disappoint you, posted by MarkInTx on Jan 11, 2003

Mark,

Have you joined the Oscar (Meyer Wiener) school of extra-sensory perception?

Are you now 'tuned in' and 'channeling' my thoughts as I compose them in my posts on the board?

If not - why do you assume it was *YOU* I was referring to in my post?

Do do do do -- do do do do.

- Dan

[Oscar]

... in response to Oh NOOOO - Not Again! . . ., posted by Dan on Jan 11, 2003

You see, this is EXACTLY how you start the shiit each and every time, by making these specific, subtle attacks on people and then completely denying them like some stupid school kid!  I have watched you do it a hundred times, to myself and others.  Why don't you just grow the helll up and shut it for once?  
The people here are really are not as dim as you seem to think.

Your last post to/about me claimed you were "done" remember?  But you just have to go and start with the insults again...  Simply amazing.

[Dan]

... in response to Just shut it Dan-, posted by Oscar on Jan 12, 2003

There is NOT an Oscar (Meyer Wiener) school for Channeling and New Age Thought?? --smile--

- Dan

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Oh NOOOO - Not Again! . . ., posted by Dan on Jan 11, 2003


My post begins:

Sorry to disappoint you *IF*...  (emphasis added)

I wasn't trying to channel any of your thoughts... good heavens... what a scary thought.

THAT would give me nightmares for sure...

[Dan]

... in response to Reading for comprehension 101, posted by MarkInTx on Jan 11, 2003

Nobody on this board really cares about this little tiff.

The fact is, you posted a response to mine entitled "Sorry to disappoint you" - and added the "if . .  ." in the body of the post. Clearly the emphasis was NOT on the "if", but on the position that you believed my message was directed at you.

I remain mildly curious as to *why* you believed it was directed at you - but it is approaching insigificance. Like a lot of this drivel.

- Dan