Sometimes this can be He11!!!!!!!

[Jack]

... in response to Your a brave man, posted by Rags on Dec 30, 2002

Not only is no one laughing, I suspect many have a great amount of respect for Travis.

[Oscar]

... in response to Sometimes this can be He11!!!!!!!, posted by Travis on Dec 30, 2002

Really sorry you are having to go through this experience...

Oscar

[Mike]

... in response to Sometimes this can be He11!!!!!!!, posted by Travis on Dec 30, 2002

Travis,
I've noticed that there are a few good women out there, but there's even more out there that aren't what guys think they are. Myself I got lucky and met my wife by chance in Moscow and neither of us was looking. However sense being married I've met many RW through her that are here and they aren't worth the gun powder to blow their brains out! Most of these girls are of the same mold. Act as sweet as can be when they want something and at the same time have long term plans for what they call success, meaning getting their hands on the only thing that makes them happy and that is money and no one to answer to, and will be nice to her man only when it's required and at the same time they are putting all their eggs in a baskit. The first red flag in these girls are the words "I love you" if they mean it then it will be a long time before you hear it come from their mouths!(if they can even say it) Typically they are scared of these words (the nice girls) and beleive actions speak for them. Something to think about when meeting a RW is "why do they look like something that I would kill for but yet they are single?(considering their age) and the answer may be they have something bad about themself that keeps a Russian man away from them, and if the Russian man isn't rich enough for them then it means they are gold diggers. Sure they would like to visit America, but there is something more in this for those that want basically any guy in order to come here and live, because your typical nice married or successful RW doesn't want to leave her homeland forever, and the man-eaters goals are reaching that pot of gold and they will step on any man to reach it.

Mike - who is tired of seeing lonely AM being suckered by gold diggers.

[Travis]

... in response to Re: Sometimes this can be He11!!!!!!!, posted by Mike on Dec 30, 2002

I have to agree with you. My wife only talks to me when she wants something. She can be sweet as honey until she gets what she wants, otherwise, she won't give me the time of day. I spent something in the neighborhood of $17,000 since she has been here (about 5 months and not including normal bills) and she has the gaul to say that I am the cheapest person she has ever met in her life! She went as far as threatening to sell the engagement ring and getting a job as a stripper so she could buy more clothes. She won't let me see her t1ts, yet she'll do this in a room full of strangers for a few bucks? Freakshow! All this after she was looking for a replacement for me...mind you, this was two weeks after we married. She can't even find it in herself to apologize for hitting me, which would go a long way with me. This is love in Russia? In one instance, she hit me between 20 and 25 times (I lost count...right hook to the temple and then says, "baby, I love you...switch off dictaphone (tape recorder)". And to top it all off, she says she doesn't understand why I filed for divorce. I'm still trying to figure out what planet she lives on.

What I would like to know is will she be permitted by INS to do this to another man after she returns to Russia (which she is under court order to do)? After the divorce is final, I will go to INS with all the evidence I have but I don't quite know how. She should be black-listed and NEVER issued another visa. My opinion is that she did not marry me in good faith, but only to circumvent US immigration laws. This is illegal and she should not be permitted to ever do this again.

[Stan]

... in response to Re: Re: Sometimes this can be He11!!!!!!..., posted by Travis on Dec 30, 2002

Sorry to hear about this mess your in,,, And I'm sure no one is laughing. Had I brought my first Ukrainian fiance' home,, I would have been in the same boat. I figured it out, luckily, about a week before her Warsaw interview, And once I did figure it out, I made dam sure that the consulate in Warsaw knew her intentions, to get a green card. If it did any good or not? But I sure hope no one here ever "hooked up" with Oksana Korobka from Mariupol. But she sure was sweet while it lasted!

[Charles]

... in response to Re: Re: Sometimes this can be He11!!!!!!..., posted by Travis on Dec 30, 2002

Travis, from what I know you have accomplished a lot more than others who have tried to send an RW back -- you've got a court order for her to leave.  I agree with the posts below that you should get her on that plane ASAP and then move on with your life.  How important is it really to you whether she does it to someone else?  She is probably entitled to try the K-1 process again, however, if the K-1 process is started with another man she will have to show proof that she was divorced from you in order to obtain another K-1 - and her K-1 marriage to you is in the INS computer.  Of course, the next AM she tries to snake will see that when he files the K-1 and, unless he has is a total idiot, will probably not pursue it or, at a minimum, find out what happenned.  So let the buyer beware!  My greater concern is that if you attempt to "blacklist" her with INS she might get some better legal advice and try to stay.  Remember that once married, she can stay as long as they can convince INS they entered into the marriage in good faith, which will likely be a swearing contest.  Save yourself the trouble --- put her on the plane.  Since she doesn't have advance parole, her leaving the U.S. is an abandonment of any AOS that may have been filed.

[Travis]

... in response to Re:  Quit While You're Ahead, posted by Charles on Dec 30, 2002

Good points, thanks! I guess my immediate concern is removal of the AOS burden. I just wouldn't want anyone to go through what I have been through. I would be satisfied if INS did inform the next guy that she has been through the K-1 visa process already and divorced. At least that would be a red flag for someone...at least I would think so. But odds are she'll just tell him how awful, cruel and cheap of an urod I was

[KenC]

... in response to Re: Sometimes this can be He11!!!!!!!, posted by Mike on Dec 30, 2002

Mark,
My wife has always maintained that if you want to know the truth about how a RW feels for you, offer to live with her in Russia.  BTW, Lena would jump at the chance for us to move to Russia.  She has told me many times that the only thing that keeps her here is me.
KenC

[Pordzhik]

... in response to a tip, posted by KenC on Dec 30, 2002

After spending most of my life in south east England it had gotton a bit boring for me here and that was some of the attraction why I began to look for foriegn in the first place. I mentioned this on my first trip to Kiev, she laughed a little, told me that I would be the first and said that yes she would like to stay in Kiev. A lot of these women would.

My Russian is improving everyday, and it's still in our minds to do this, infact we will be going for an extended trip of three months this summer, so I'll have a good look at the opportunities there, I've a few ideas.

Have you seriously thought about this?

[KenC]

... in response to Good tip, posted by Pordzhik on Dec 30, 2002

Pordzhik,
I have not really considered relocating to Russia, but I keep an open mind.  Lena has it in her mind that we will someday relocate to Europe.
KenC

[Oscar]

... in response to a tip, posted by KenC on Dec 30, 2002

Absolutely agree, it's a great question to ask.

When with my girl there, I asked her how she would feel if I moved there instead of staying in America..  Without hesitation she was thrilled with the idea!  There were a lot of women I met there who were not and it visibly showed in their faces even if they didn't always say it.
 
My girl has only been here a short time but seems to really like it so far.  Utah is a majorly family oriented State and she seems to love that, having a son.  She will miss her parents very much I think as they have all been so close, but she feels her place is with me and she calls her parents every Sunday.  She has just been adjusting beautifully, been very excited about getting to know my family here etc..  They all think she's amazing..

[Rags]

... in response to a tip, posted by KenC on Dec 30, 2002

[ChrisNJ]

... in response to a tip, posted by KenC on Dec 30, 2002

n/t

[Haroshij]

... in response to Re: Sometimes this can be He11!!!!!!!, posted by Mike on Dec 30, 2002

Maybe you American guys have a disadvantage. Most of the ladies over there in Russia looks at America as the promised land. A land that floats with milk and honey and that a life in America will be like they see on those TV-commercials without all those devilish intrigues. So when they discover that most of you are hardworking guys who need to look at  both side of the dollar before you use it, they  feel themselves fooled.

When a Norwegian guy meet a Russian lady, she most often knows little or nothing about Norway. The fact that she doesn't know that Norway is the richest country in the world, gives the man a bigger chance to find somebody who loves him, not his money. When she comes here  to a warmer society than the Russian and the American, her expectations are more than fulfilled.

Haroshij

[Oscar]

... in response to Maybe you American guys have a disadvant..., posted by Haroshij on Dec 30, 2002

You have a very good point.

I have a lot of cousins in Sweden, not too far from your fair country.  My Father was from Sweden.  Boy, All of Scandinavia is gorgeous, and your country is just exquisite!  I was in Oslo and Bergen..  Just lovely, I would love to go back!

Oscar