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Author Topic: Oh Great! US cuts aide to Ukraine!  (Read 4316 times)
Oscar
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« on: September 24, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

For the possible sale of arms to Iraq!!!  That's just great...  Hey, let's see what else we can do to make sure that our girls will NEVER get out of Ukraine and Russia!! LOL!  We fire Russia's Miss Universe (I think for very good reason but try telling that to them!), and now we cut aide to Ukraine for arms sales (if it's true, it would be justified, but who DOESN'T sell arms to Iraq?? We sure did!) LOL!

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wsbill
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« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Oh Great!  US cuts aide to Ukraine!, posted by Oscar on Sep 24, 2002

I'm surprised it took so long for them to cut the gravey train.  Clearly, the money was being squandered and filter into peoples Swiss bank accounts.  

$54 million is a drop in the bucket.

The only reason Russia isn't going along with the US/UN on Iraq is because they own them money.... money which the US isn't going to support their lousy economy.

Let Iraq, support it.

Maybe it's time we sealed up our borders and kept everyone out for a change.  America needs put the brakes on all these handouts.

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Oscar
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« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: I think it's  GREAT POLICY, posted by wsbill on Sep 26, 2002

just wondering if/how this will affect the visa process??
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da
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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Oh Great!  US cuts aide to Ukraine!, posted by Oscar on Sep 24, 2002

it's a shame but ukraine and russia have nothing that will benefit the U.S. no wonder they are cutting the aid. The Russian president Putin is dealing with Iraq and totoally against the US invading Iraq, not a good sign for US-Russia relationship.
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BarryM
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« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Oh Great!  US cuts aide to Ukraine!, posted by da on Sep 25, 2002

nt
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Jack
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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Oh Great!  US cuts aide to Ukraine!, posted by da on Sep 25, 2002

da, glad to see you return as I was most curious as to a comment you made on the thread you started below titled Russian and Aisan women being in great demand in the Middle East.

If you will go back to that thread you will see I asked you a question about one of your comments and I look forward to your reply.

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JimmyUSA
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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Oh Great!  US cuts aide to Ukraine!, posted by Oscar on Sep 24, 2002

See post above for State Department Press Briefing 9/24      

even better here is the press release Smiley - dexion 09/24/2002

This gives the information about Ukraine selling sensitive equipment to Iraq.

Best Regards,

JimmyUSA

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Stevo
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Oh Great!  US cuts aide to Ukraine!, posted by JimmyUSA on Sep 25, 2002

ggg
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JimmyUSA
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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to So, Jimmy, what's happening regarding yo..., posted by Stevo on Sep 25, 2002

No visa yet.  I have applied for the K3 visa and nothing yet.  It has been almost 95 days since the 1st NOA (June 20) on the I-129F LIFE used for the K3 visa petition.  I just got back from Ukraine after spending 2  months there with my wife.  Very difficult to leave her but had to get back to my job here and my property.  I will have to see what the future holds for her coming here.  If this stretches out too long then I may retire from my job and return to Ukraine and look for work or just wait it out with her. I will find something to do there.

Best Regards,

JimmyUSA
JimmyUkraine

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Oscar
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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Oh Great!  US cuts aide to Ukraine!, posted by Oscar on Sep 24, 2002

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Oscar
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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Oh Great!  US cuts aide to Ukraine!, posted by Oscar on Sep 24, 2002

He said it was on one of the news tickers on CNN but I have been looking on the net and I can't find anything about it!
If it turns out he was mistaken, I apologize in advance and I will kick his butt! ;-) but I called him back and he insists he saw it and that he wasn't kidding me...
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Pordzhik
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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to I can't find anything on this story.. It..., posted by Oscar on Sep 24, 2002

raine, Belarus defend Iraq ties, fear isolation

By Elizabeth Piper

KIEV (Reuters) - Ukraine and Belarus, frantically trying to halt their increasing isolation from the West, on Tuesday denied U.S. allegations that their ex-Soviet arms stockpiles were being used to help Iraq amass weapons.

Washington said late Monday it had stopped tens of millions of dollars in aid to Ukraine over an allegation that Kiev sold Iraq a "Kolchuga" system, which tracks moving objects on the ground and in the air when they emit radar signals.

The allegation prompted Ukrainian President Leonid Kuchma, already under pressure from opposition protests, to call on U.S. officials to examine Kiev's deals with Baghdad.

Neighboring Belarus too denied alleged involvement in arms trade with Iraq.

Both former Soviet states, on the eastern fringes of an expanding European Union, have played host to and struck deals with numerous Iraqi delegations in recent months, impervious to U.S. efforts to build a consensus for an attack against Baghdad.

The leaders insist they have not broken U.N. sanctions, imposed after Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990.

"Ukraine is ready to pass over all its information (on deals with Iraq) and is ready to be checked by competent representatives of international bodies, including U.S. experts," Kuchma said in a statement.

Kuchma, struggling to defend himself from allegations of corruption and involvement in the murder of a reporter, has repeatedly denied months of talk about the alleged transfer to Iraq of the Ukraine-made "Kolchuga" system.

Monday's announcement by the U.S. government comes after it authenticated part of a tape recording in which an aide tells Kuchma Iraq wanted to buy four such systems.

The recording was made by a former Kuchma bodyguard who has been granted asylum in the United States.

ISOLATION

Ukraine's opposition, which Tuesday led 5,000 people onto to the streets of the capital to demand Kuchma resign, warned that Washington's move would further isolate the country.

"This is very serious," Volodymyr Filenko, a member of the Our Ukraine opposition party, told Reuters.

"It is bound to push Ukraine into political isolation, which will bring serious economic, and then social, problems."

Kuchma, whose eight-year rule has seen Ukraine buffeted by scandals and economic stagnation, has had his efforts to follow neighbor Russia's pro-Western stance largely rebuffed, with the European Union refusing to consider membership.

NATO considers Ukraine a "strategic partner" but wants Kiev to reform its armed forces before being accepted as a full member. Washington's move to put on hold $55 million, earmarked for 2002, is a further blow.

"This is a diplomatic step to pressure Kuchma," Julia Tymonshenko, one of Ukraine's most charismatic opposition leaders, said.

Belarus leader Alexander Lukashenko, whose Soviet-style governance has prompted U.S. officials to call him Europe's last dictator, has boasted of his close ties with Iraq but said he would not break the U.N.'s Security Council resolution.

"We are not a country of such potential and strength that we could contradict the opinion of the world community. We cannot cooperate with Iraq....because this a forbidden direction," Lukashenko said in an interview in Minsk with the British Broadcasting Corporation Monday.

The U.S. State Department said earlier this year it had evidence that Belarus, shunned by much of the world over human rights abuses, had trained Iraqi military personnel and smuggled arms. It has hinted at possible sanctions against Minsk.
 
09/24/02 10:07 ET

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