Jack started slandering our agency again!!

[NK]

... in response to Re: Patrick, please ban Barry M ( Jack) ..., posted by Drew on Apr 26, 2002

nt

[Dan]

... in response to Jack started slandering our agency again..., posted by Dmitry on Apr 25, 2002

n/t

[KenC]

... in response to PATRICK! - Can You Put a Stop to This Cr..., posted by Dan on Apr 25, 2002

Dan,
You know I hate this type of "bash posting" as much as anyone here, but Patrick opened the door to it this time.  He asked Jack to back up his claims of Dmitry being a scammer.  Jack replied and now Dmitry wants to rightly defend himself.  I don't see a way to avoid it now.
KenC

[Patrick]

... in response to the door was opened, posted by KenC on Apr 25, 2002

I agree.  I welcome agency owners here if they're willing to PARTICIPATE in the discussions rather than just spam the board with ads.  I run one of them myself.  As long as the accusations are supported with some evidence, I think it's good to get them out in the open and it gives readers some insight into the businesses and people behind them.  As long as it doesn't degenerate into a lot of name calling with no substance the posts will stay.

[BubbaGump]

... in response to Re: the door was opened, posted by Patrick on Apr 25, 2002

It ends up being what one person says about the other and we don't know if either is telling the truth, especially when their business is at stake.  Even when people relate their scamming stories, it may all be a misunderstanding, bad chemistry or bad translator.  You have to take those stories with a grain of salt also.  

It really would help more if we had more than one person's opinion.  Just think back on when I asked about people's experiences with "Anastasia".  I think we had about 3 bad and 2 good experiences.

[MarkInTx]

... in response to But who knows what the truth is?, posted by BubbaGump on Apr 25, 2002


I think that's a good sampling...

Don't forget, there are a lot of new guys on the board all of the time.

To all of the guys who have been around awhile... this seems like a rehash of old stuff... so does the question of age difference... the discussion of tours vs. letters vs. personal ads... etc, etc...

But to many guys, this is the first time they are reading about this.

So, knowing that Anastasia has mixed response is good.

Hearing the debate about Kharkiv girls is valuable.

Hearing people discuss their experience with Mordison is also good.

Those of you who know the story can simply skip the thread...

Those who don't can read it once and make up their own minds...

[odeccaman1]

... in response to Re: the door was opened, posted by Patrick on Apr 25, 2002

I have never insulted anyone on this forum and do not appreciate being called names for suggesting an agency another poster does not like. Nobody has come forth with any reason not to deal with Dmitry and there have certainly been many more attacks against his competitor Jack. Where there is smoke there is fire. I thought the webmaster was beginning to realise that when a poster insults his potential advertisers and other posters, it might effect his bottom line of making money from this site???

[Patrick]

... in response to never ending insults and sales pitch, posted by odeccaman1 on Apr 25, 2002

I haven't had an agency place an ad on here since December, 2000 when my home server on which I run the business crashed.  Every agency banner you see here is running for free simply because they were once paying and I haven't discontinued anything.

I will eventually get it all back together and start taking banner advertisements again, but until then, this is a money losing endeavor.  We are profitable overall since the agency site does earn a profit, but both planet-love and goodwife are now money-losing sites.

[odeccaman1]

... in response to What advertisers?, posted by Patrick on Apr 26, 2002

Without advertising at some point I do not see how you could continue hosting the forum?

[BrianN]

... in response to I beleve it?, posted by odeccaman1 on Apr 26, 2002

You know squat about business, the internet, or what it costs to host and operate a domain.

Your ignorance is truly showing.

[odeccaman1]

... in response to You are FULL of it ODECCAMAN., posted by BrianN on Apr 27, 2002

very impressive spelling mastermind speaking of ignorance

[Patrick]

... in response to I beleve it?, posted by odeccaman1 on Apr 26, 2002

I just pay the yearly fee for the bandwidth and domain registration, and spend some time moderating the board.  Considerably less time now that I'm not automatically enabling accounts for anyone and letting all the trolls in.

You can easily confirm my claim by trying to place an advertisement (link at bottom of the main page).  I really should update that, I was hoping to have everything ready by last October.

[BrianN]

... in response to It's easy, posted by Patrick on Apr 26, 2002

People that make statements like this, are truly ignorant.  Which you are not, and there is no need for you to suffer their agendas.

You provide a good service for free, and yet, some imbaciles will make the most ridiculous assumptions with no basis in fact.

It's the whole enchilada that makes it worthwhile, not just one stinking sideline site operating at a (small) loss.  It's only a small part of the bigger picture.  If these fools can't figure that out, then the heck with'em.

[Dan]

... in response to never ending insults and sales pitch, posted by odeccaman1 on Apr 25, 2002

Patrick has said, time and time again, that he makes no money from this site.

Who was it that last made this accusation I wonder?? Oh yeah - I recall now . . . . .

- Dan

[Patrick]

... in response to "making money from this site"?..., posted by Dan on Apr 26, 2002

I make a pretty good living as an engineer and the web stuff is actually my wife's business.  Someday I'll get it all back together again, I just don't know when.  I don't want to get into a manual update mode where I have to upload banner ads and edit banner ad files, send out invoices and payment requests, etc for all the ads.  Dull work for 1/10 of my engineering pay doesn't appeal to me too much. I'm going to first automate everything to make it easy to administer.

I did at least finish a redesign of the agency site and created a shopping cart program to make selecting and ordering addresses easy as well as a search engine.  I even think the layout looks fairly nice and for the first time, I'm pleased with the look of one of my sites.  PL still looks pretty cheesy IMO.  Once I automate the sending of orders from the agency site after someone's paid by credit card and finished a little more data base administration script work, I'll be able to work on this site again.

At one point when the NASDAQ was at 5,000 I had fantasies of an early retirement from engineering and working full-time at web site design and hosting specializing in dating sites.  Hence the "Singlesdot.com, we put the dot.com behind singles sites" slogan and the birth of singlesdot.com.  Thought it sounded good, but the stock market didn't cooperate with my plan and I'm still a working stiff without enough free time to get much done.