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Author Topic: Jack started slandering our agency again!!  (Read 9484 times)
Dmitry
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« on: April 25, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

Dear Jack,
I think you are making the same mistake again...
You started promoting your own agency (slandering others) and you somehow think that many people will believe you.
More than this, when calling me a scammer you start forgeting real facts and invent some new ones!!
90 % of what you wrote in the previous post has NOTHING to do with reality!!! If PL board wants this - we can go into the long discussion about your accusations.... But I don't think anybody wants this. It is easy to understand you deeds after reading your last email to me:
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"-----Original Message-----
From: nunya
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 8:22 PM
To: Vlink
Subject: Re: Do you want to start the war?
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Dmitry, I am going to be a nightmare for you. I am asked many times, sometimes 15 to 20 times a week, who are honest and dishonest agencies. I tell everyone to avoid your agency. I hope they will tell 10 more people and they tell 10 more people.  I will tell everyone who will listen to me that you are a scammer.

  So Dmitry, as you start to lose business and make less money, if you think you want to change your ways and to conduct in an ethical, proper way, then let me know.
With best regards,
......
 Jack Bragg"
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You wrote this letter to me after I REFUSED TO GIVE you 30 freebee girls' addresses...
PLEASE stop bad mouthing about other agencies!!!
Regards
Dmitry


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Katya
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« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Jack started slandering our agency again..., posted by Dmitry on Apr 25, 2002

What's the name & URL of your agency please?
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Katya
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« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Jack started slandering our agency again..., posted by Dmitry on Apr 25, 2002

What's the name & URL of your agency please?
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BarryM
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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Jack started slandering our agency again..., posted by Dmitry on Apr 25, 2002

Well Dmitri, the fact is, you don't have credibility here because of your past business practices. I can't believe your foolish enough to start this crap here again. If you really wanted to try to gain some credibility, you would admit your past mistakes and reconcile them. What we want here is trust and honesty. My impression of you is that you see us as stupid Americans who can be conned out of our money.

You have done nothing to change that opinion here. Instead of bashing Jack, why haven't you attempted to resolve these issues by a committment to honesty? You haven't outlined your business practices nor have you posted anything that suggests a committment to the quality of your services. All you have done is post examples that attack some of your past disatisfied clients. You have no defense when you post that crap.

For now, you are considered stupid, prideful, and untrustworthy by most of us here. You have a lot to learn about proper business practices and dealing with clients.

-blm

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wsbill
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« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Jack started slandering our agency again..., posted by Dmitry on Apr 25, 2002

Gee, the Marriage Agency Business must be in the toilet.  For a agency owner to come and post a bunch of crap, like someone is saying bad things about them.

I haven't read anything bad about this Dimitry guy.

Just the sheer fact, that he suddenly appears and is like crying FOUL to everyone, just shows you a bit how childish he is.

The guys is like standing there with a megaphone broadcasting to the world.

"Jack is calling me names", just like a little kid whineing.

Pleeeaaseee................  Get a grip dude.

Now ask yourself, would anyone reading this message board want to do business with this guy ?

I'm afraid not.

In this business, presentation is what it is all about.

Dude, you've just broke a cardinal sin...  Never say anything bad about your competition.  It only winds up making you look desperate and a complete loser.

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yoe
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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Naner, naner, naner......He's saying..., posted by wsbill on Apr 25, 2002

comitted a cardinal sin?
Wink
Joe
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tfcrew
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« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Jack started slandering our agency again..., posted by Dmitry on Apr 25, 2002

Dimitry, my gosh......
You bring up some December 2000 email to haunt a grudge.
Why is this necessary?
We must   go on without problems we can't control.
The cold war is over.
Wink
you see?
Karl
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Jack
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« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Jack started slandering our agency again..., posted by Dmitry on Apr 25, 2002

Dmitry,

  Most everything you have said I wrote above is correct, although it seems you have done some creative editing! This is only a small potion of what I wrote you, why do you not include everything I wrote you? Please feel free to include the entire message. And as far as the words "Do you want to start the war", this is what YOU wrote me. You sent me your threatning letter titled "Do you want to start the war", in which I replied with the edited post from above.

  Over a year ago when one of your un-happy clients told of you scamming him, I seconded his post in agreement. Dmitry, over the next week three or four other guys also wrote in about the scam job you did on them! Many of the guys here today, that were here then, will remember the post made by others about you. The one that stands out most in my mind is the guy who went to you and your agency and a week before he left for Ukraine he called and talked to the 4 or 5 ladies from your agency and all were excited to see him, but after getting to Kharkov, all but one was now available. Can you say "scam"!

  Whenever I talk to any client about Kharkov, I inform each about you. I hope that each one of these guys tells 10 others about you. I hope that I have had some impact on your scamming and lieing ways. I am also happy to tell every man whom wants to go to Kharkov about two honest and ethical agencies, IDI-Bridge and Bridge to Bride. All the clients I have sent to these two agencies have been pleased with there efforts. Dmitry, in an industry full of scam, the few honest agency's will do well. Of course I expect to hear from you, or your cousin odessaman as to how sorry I am. And in your eyes I maybe sorry, I may give bad service, but I don't scam men! I don't sell the address's of known scammer ladies. I don't pay some young woman to spend the week with a guy just to keep him occupied.

 As far as requesting 30 ladies from you, another debunked Dmitry lie. We were talking about 20 ladies, until I found out you had scammer ladies, then I wasn't interested in ONE of your ladies, or doing business with you.

 Dishonest Dmitry, most guys on P-L would like to read of our long discussion about my accusations. Most will not be bored. Please feel free to discuss my accustions, as well as those of the four or five other guys who all claimed you were SCAM!

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Dmitry
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« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Scam agency owner discussed again., posted by Jack on Apr 25, 2002

Jack, unfortunately I do not have much time for writing long poems here (like you do).. We have 5 guys now in town and they take all our attention, that is why I will be rather short.
What unhappy clients are you talking about? Please give me their names!!! And I will describe their situation in each separate case. I will NOT listen to scam accusation from unanonimous clients! I can invent several stories about your agency and you can try to clean yourself!
Regarding Bridge to Bride agency.. They are my best friends and we are based in the same building 10 minutes walk away from each other. We are really more friends than competitors and I agree with you - they are good businessmen and honest people.
Regarding that girl, which was "possible scammer"...
I NEVER sold her address to ANYBODY!! I just cought her 2 times when she was taking gifts from guys, and I told you HONESTLY about this before giving you her address! More than this, I removed her a long time ago, and recently got info that she is successfully married for more than 1 year already - she lives in the States!!
About car.. I do not have 75 000 dollars car  8-), I have little 1993 Lada SAMARA for 2000$ 8-(
I could not meet you in Dnepro but I wanted to meet you in Kiev in Arizona (as well as many other guys), but you never showed up... tryig to be only virtual attacker..
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Now, Jack, please, explain to PL forum why you were calling yourself different names on this forum, writing posts from fictious clients? Is this considered to be normal business ethics in the States? Or why you screw up some girls in your agency in Ukraine and you tell their numbers on the PL forum??? Do you think  other guys should envy you or you want to attract more male clients like this?
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The funny thing about the whole business is that I see both sides - I know what guys feel about scam and I know what girls feel about guys-scammers. Yes, there are more and more of them coming to Ukraine..... And our agency has to fight both evils. Just several examples of men-scammers (all of them visited our office for the last month):
1.guy from the Eastern part of the USA. Lies about his age, passport age is 55, he keeps telling girls he is 41! After I found out he was lying I told him to go, he was very angry and he told he will be slandering me on the internet - I wished him luck and let him go.
2.young man from Holland. He comes to Ukraine and he meets girls and wants them to be "checked" before getting married, i.e. he wanted to get laid with them to find out their sexual compatibility in the future!! More than this he was absolutely sure in what he was doing sand he thought he was right! He met several girls from our agency and only 5th girl told me about weird Dutch. I immediately told him good-bye!!!
3.sick man from England. He behaved very strange in the very beginning, was somehow happy all the time, laughing at everything and smiling all the time. Later on I found out that he has a mental disease (autism, Asperger's syndrome). All in all he was a good guy and he might make a perfect husband, but I usually do not hide such info from girls and they srarted avoiding him...
4.strange man from LA... he comes to Ukraine 4 times a year, he is 52, eats prozak 5 times a day, has a wig. He has been here more than 10 times and only now I understood why - he is just having a vacation here, i.e. meets young pretty girls, takes photos of him together with girls (LA friends will not believe words), has good meals, enjoys life...
5
6 I can go on and go
And now imagine what will happen if some typical girl meets these guys in a row? Right - she will go from our agency. But if she has a tendency to become a scammer -she might stay. In this case I have sort this out and say good-bye to her. Also we have to keep an eye on guys visiting our office - if we see something bad - we have to wish him luck and send to other agencies (otherwise we make some money and lose reputation among girls).
Regards
Dmitry
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Jack
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« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Scam agency owner discussed again., posted by Dmitry on Apr 25, 2002

Demented Dmitry,

  I will try to address your ridicules statements with poise and elegance, trying hard to refrain from calling you the many names I think you deserve. Out of much deserved respect for the P-L board itself and 87.3% of the good guys who post on it, I will make this my last reply to you in hopes that you will go back to hibernating in the slimy, black hole you slithered out of.


.........(Dmitri)...What unhappy clients are you talking about? Please give me their names!!! And I will describe their situation in each separate case. I will NOT listen to scam accusation from unanonimous clients! I can invent several stories about your agency and you can try to clean yourself!......


 Deranged Dmitry, did YOU forgot about the three or four (or five) guys who all wrote said you scammed them?   Did you not reply to some of those guys directly at the time? Didn't you have an excuse after excuse regarding each of the guys claims? Each guy was lying, or this guy was a dirty old man, that guy was a playboy, a cheap bastard or a dork!  These are the un-happy clients of yours we are talking about? How could all these claims be from unanonimous clients if you were able to label most of these guys as being sometime of flake or whatever?  You knew who these guys were!


.......(Dmitri)..Regarding that girl, which was "possible scammer"...
I NEVER sold her address to ANYBODY!! I just cought her 2 times when she was taking gifts from guys, and I told you HONESTLY about this before giving you her address! More than this, I removed her a long time ago


Disillusioned Dmitry, we are either not talking about the same woman, or you started smoking some of what odoriferous odessman was smoking, or you are making up what Max would call a 'porkey'. I am talking about the nice young blonde girl whom you said was a lady whose address you had sold several times and that she was a scammer. The one that you kept on the site for sometime. We must be talking about different scammers you had!


........(Dmitry)....About car.. I do not have 75 000 dollars car 8-), I have little 1993 Lada SAMARA for 2000$


Oh,oh,oh, Dmitry, what happened to the long, black 1999 auto you sent me the photo of?Huh?  It was a brand new auto.  A LADA!!!!!!,  Surreeee, Dmitry, sure! What about the photo of the long black car you sent me. You trying to tell me that was a $2000 Lada??? .....D@mn, that must be some goooood sh!t oddesaman has!!

.......(Dmitry)...I could not meet you in Dnepro but I wanted to meet you in Kiev in Arizona (as well as many other guys), but you never showed up

Oh, my, driblet Dmitry, the more you write, the easier it is becoming to catch you in more of your porkies. You and I were going to meet in Kiev in October of 2000, Dnepropetrovsk never entered the picture, this is all new to me. We were meeting in Kiev, never Dnepropetrovsk!    You are referring to the meeting in the Spring of 2001 at the Arizonia in which you and your brother, businessman reclusive Robert, were at.  Dreary Dmitry, maybe we caught you in one of your many lies,....hummmphhhh? The message you earlier sent that I wrote you, the one with the creative editing on your part, that was dated in December, or November of 2000, was it not?  Five months prior to the meeting at the Arizona!  If I am not mistaken there are guys posting here who were part of that Spring group tour who may have been, or know of the meeting that you are referring too, which was some five months prior to our original planned meeting, October of 2000!  Look at the date of the message you sent, the year 2000!  Dumb@ss Dmitri, think you just tripped up?


.......(Dmitri).....Now, Jack, please, explain to PL forum why you were calling yourself different names on this forum, writing posts from fictious clients? Is this considered to be normal business ethics in the States?


Ding-a-ling Dmitry, for several months one idiot wrote on this board, and several others, that I was really BarryM. No doubt about it. With no proof, only because he thought so, he proclaimed to the world that I was BarryM. Over and over again. For several months, ever post that BarryM made was really me, no doubt about it. Fred and James, two guys who made a favorable comment about me, were also Jack, as well as some other well know favorites such as yoe, Dan, Claire, daNde, all these people were me. Well Dunce Dmitry, being able to get photographs of me, together with Barry and Fred, as well as meeting a few guys from the P-L board, should have been enough to prove to most idiots that those individuals were not me. Funny thing doubting Dmitry, since we were able to provide photos of Barry and Fred with myself, I have not been accused of being either!  Regarding normal business in the States, our normal business practice is not to scam.  And what is the normal business practice in Ukraine if I may ask?


........(Dmitri)......Or why you screw up some girls in your agency in Ukraine and you tell their numbers on the PL forum??? Do you think other guys should envy you or you want to attract more male clients like this?


This is the one question I would really like to see you reply to divulging Dmitry. Sense this will be my final post to you I will not be able to reply to your answer, so I need to make my question crystal clear.  Please Mr. Dmitri, Please, tell me, tell us all, about some, one, five, any ladies from Ukraine in my agency that I pass out their, what I assume you mean phone numbers, to the PL forum in order to screw up some of the girls?


....(Dmitri)....I know what girls feel about guys-scammers. Yes, there are more and more of them coming to Ukraine. Lies about his age, passport age is 55, he keeps telling girls he is 41!,....young man from Holland. He comes to Ukraine and he meets girls and wants them to be "checked" before getting married, i.e. he wanted to get laid with them to find out their sexual compatibility.....sick man from England. He behaved very strange. Later on I found out that he has a mental disease (autism, Asperger's syndrome)......strange man from LA he is 52, eats prozak 5 times a day, has a wig.he is just having a vacation here, i.e. meets young pretty girls.....I can go on and go.

Well  Dmitry, we do have some common grounds. YOU SCUM YOU! Are you the one who sent me all those guys last week?

Ok, I will say good-bye to you now Dmitry. Don't want to mess up the board anymore with our grudge towards each other.  The board has taken a new look recently with 95% of the trolls being removed and overall is a more fun, more educational discussion board. You and I will disagree about ways we do business, although we will both share the same fate from some dis-gruntled clients.  

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yoe
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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to My last post on the matter, posted by Jack on Apr 25, 2002

for those of you not aware of Sam Johnson-he wrote the first English Dictionary. Besides Johnson's mind boggeling descriptives-I do not think I have met anyone so astute at our Mr. Bragg. I have commented before on this, but the use of illiteration and precise adjective insertion is astounding-but then agian I am obviously easily entertained.
If nothing else-you have one heck of a thesaurus program-I would like a copy-you have an amazing vocabulary or you have been battling with these guys so long it is just a matter of escalation. Whatever the case might be-it is still impressive.
Joe
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Drew
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« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to My last post on the matter, posted by Jack on Apr 25, 2002

Sure Jack,  which Fred is in the photos with you ?  the one you tried to pass off as being Fred Walter ?? or the one who you introduced to everyone at your party, who has been married for quite some time ?? even thought the " Fred Walter  who posted on the RWL was single just 2 months ago.

Jack is nothing but a fat, con-man, who comes on here and thinks he has most fooled.


P.S.  Nice to hear your Tour was a bust !!!

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Jack
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« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Jack and his many lies again, posted by Drew on Apr 26, 2002

Drew/Paul, Steve, Bill, Sven, Lars, Jerry, Carl, Karl, Eddie, Brad, Embarrassed Also, Get a life, Doug, Dave, Anonymous,Paul, George, Warren, Trent, Chris, Tim, L.D,. I.D., James, Rick, the truth, Truth, Net, jj, Patrick, Jack, Jack is a crook, the real Jack, Jack is a scum bag, Slava, Dmitry, Wilson, Shane Harris, PI, Johnson, TomR,Randy, Todd, Elwood, Pete the man, or baby, who post's under 50 different names!Planet Loves all time biggest liar!   You would never claim to be an agency owner and not really own an agency would you?You would never post under another name would you, and then say you never post under another name, would you?I think all almost all members of P-L would like to hear your explanation for this,...............Drew 209.245.207.251 June 6 2001, 3:04 PM I give my real name, I give my email address,I say that I am agency owner, I do not hide behind anything, Yet he post (as always under many differnt names, never giving his email address. ..........Bill 209.245.193.192 April 26 2001, 6:21 PM I am interested in finding out more about your agency, as I am corresponding with a lady from Chernovtsy now, and would prefer to not meet only one lady, (while I am there), where can I get some more information from you? such as cost and etc..? ..........Drew 209.245.193.192 Bill, just send me a email April 26 2001, 8:02 PM Bill, I would be happy to help you, or or answer any question's you might have. Just email me direct at drew@academicplanet but probably you will not answer this question, or why you post under 50 different names, you will probably just ignore the question and hope the questions will someday just go away.Drew baby, what was the name of your agency again?Liar Drew baby, do you remember posting this?Much information so far, Thanks !!Posted by Paul S (registered user) on 02/02I have been getting many emails, many thanks to all, I hope to keep getting them . In reading through them some of them so far, it seems most are in Ukraine, but hoepfully many more will come in for contacts in Russia, and other Countries also.As to what Dan wrote, I agree, and as I wrote in my first post, I will be offering this website free to any and all, to view it, to copy and paste the whole thing to there website if they want , and to put links to it from ther website, and for anyone worrying that I have some hiddden agenda in this, just post your info on this site, under my message. Maybe Dan has some good contacts in Lviv he can post ??The only purpose in this, is to have it all in one site, so that the guy who wants to do it on his own, can have it all there, for him to put his plans together. Thanks again everyone. steve2344@excite.com or drew@academicplanet.comWell Drew Baby,.......Where is this wonderful website?Huh  This wouldn't be another one of your porkies again, now would it?Hey Drew baby, your close neighbor who attended the 6th annual Texas men's appreciation for Russian women Bar-B-Que, Cecil, have you talked with him lately?   You might be shocked if you do. He might also have an earful for you as he also knows you are crazy. Cecil and his wife also met Barry and Fred!Yes sir, we all believe what agency owner Drew baby post, such as thisBarry M. is really Jack BraggPosted by TomR. (anonymous user) on 02/10access server bigip1a-snat.sv.av.com IP address 209.73.164.50Yep, Drew baby, for three months solid you write over 70 times that Jack is really BarryM.  All the time I asked you to prove it, you could not. But it did not stop you from continueing to spread your lies.We all know today how much credibility your word has.Planet Loves all time liar, Drew/Paul, Steve, Bill, Sven, Lars, Jerry, Carl, Karl, Eddie, Brad, Embarrassed Also, Get a life, Doug, Dave, Anonymous,Paul, George, Warren, Trent, Chris, Tim, L.D,. I.D., James, Rick, the truth, Truth, Net, jj, Patrick, Jack, Jack is a crook, the real Jack, Jack is a scum bag, Slava, Dmitry, Wilson, Shane Harris, PI, Johnson, TomR,Randy, Todd, Elwood, Pete.
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BarryM
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« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Jack and his many lies again, posted by Drew on Apr 26, 2002

nt
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Drew
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« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Patrick, please ban Drew forever... nt, posted by BarryM on Apr 26, 2002

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