Do NOT do this....

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Re: Do NOT do this...., posted by terry on Feb 1, 2002

Terry,

Best advice for someone who is doing this the first time is: Listen to someone who has been there.

That's what the board is all about.

Taking it one step forward... first time you go over --  you DO need someone to help you. Anyone who tells you diferently is full of it.

Even the guys who go over by themselves just fine now will tell you that the first time they used a service, and it was worth it.

If Jack has contacted you and given you help, and it makes sense to you... what do you care about any of the rest of this?

Look at everything you have read about Jack. Even the bad stuff. Has anyone ever said that he didn't deliver the services he said he would? No. What do you care if he posts under a thousand names? Even if it is true... what difference does it make to you?

If he can hook you up with an interpreter, and an apartment, and advise you on how to go about meeting ladies... and he offers to do it for a price you can live with... who cares about any of the other stuff?

That's true for anyone at any agency. It doesn't matter if it's Firstdream, LifeTime Partners, or even (gasp!) European Connections.

If they offer services for a price you can agree with, and they devliver those services -- IT WAS A GOOD DEAL FOR YOU. Worry about saving money after you know what you're doing.

I get so tired of these guys who will tell you to squeeze every nickel until it bleeds... and yet are still searching. They are "searching" for five years and never find anyone. But they are happy to tell you how to go about YOUR search. And they brag about how they "never paid a nickel for any address!"

Big deal. I can never pay a nickel for anything. And I can still be single five years from now. What good is that?

I remember years ago, I was installing some software on this guy's computer. And he was bragging about how he had waited two years for the price of computers to come down so he could save $3000 on his system. Impressive, huh? Problem was... I was installing an upgrade on his software, and he had told me before that he estimated that the software saved his company about $500 a month.

He was shocked when I told him I thought he had made a foolish business decision. But, he said, didn't you hear? I saved $3000! I pointed out to him that in actuality, he had wasted $12,000 in two years. Even subtracting his "savings" he made a $9000 mistake.

It all depends on how you look at things.

With EVERYTHING associated with this search, just use common sense. Step back, and look at things.

You'll do fine...

[BarryM]

... in response to Re: Do NOT do this...., posted by terry on Feb 1, 2002

Jack only posts here as Jack. What happened is there is a nutball scam artist who has an ongoing smear campaign against Jack who has been posting all the crap.

As far as money is concerned, it's important to expect your lady to be frugal and concerned for the future. It becomes a judgement call as to when you bring up the issue.

-blm

[terry]

... in response to Re: Re: Do NOT do this...., posted by BarryM on Feb 1, 2002

Thank you Barry

So you are saying the person yesterday that said he was jack bragg posting under all the names , was not really Jack Bragg?

I have been doing a lot of reading on Russian Women. About how good a wife they can be. Understand not true about all of them.  However, some of the things I am hearing here would make me feel they are easy to get hurt by simple things you may say to them. Do they see all americans as being rich?  Do they feel that, If they marry an american man, life will be nothing but good things and never no bad?  Now , pleasse understand , This borad has helped me a lot because i do see some things they don't say in the books about RW. I Just want to understand them before I jump in. Some of the thtings i have read here would make me think , they get their feelings hurt very easy.

[BarryM]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Do NOT do this...., posted by terry on Feb 1, 2002

If you are serious, you are in for about a 2 year haul... the time it takes to find your girl to the time it takes to tie the knot... Some people can do it in under a year, for some it takes 5 years. You have to be able to afford the luxury of time as well as money in this endeavor. Because of the expensive investment that it takes, you should be very picky in your choice. Don't settle for anyone less than the finest woman of a great personality, beauty, and morality. Unfortunately, there are many women who have very poor character who are looking for Western men to take advantage of. It will take some experience and skill to weed out the harlots from the good ones.

People here have different experiences and different opinions on this subject. You have to carefully read and listen to them with objectivity. Be careful because a few individuals will give you completely wrong advice that could cause you to waste a lot of time and money or put you in a bad position...example, Ryan.

As far as RW being easily hurt, that depends on the RW. One thing to consider, is the RW using the hurt feelings for manipulation? Understanding how women try to manipulate men is important. These women have thicker skin than they would like you to believe.

Most of my experience at present has to do with learning Russian language. I have a lot of resources in that subject. I'm also Orthodox, so I have some cultural insight as well. Other folks such as Dan, have extensive travel and visa experience. It's important to know who has been there and gone through the process because there are a lot of opinions and not all of them are correct. Read very carefully. You may want to search the archives that contain better information than you can get in a book. Unfortunately, some of the best archives have been deleted because they were over 6 months old.

BTW... all the folks posting and stating they were Jack Bragg were joking around. The nutball scammer troll was accusing everyone of being Jack.

-blm

[Natalya]

... in response to Take your time and do your homework..., posted by BarryM on Feb 1, 2002

Statement that "russian women have thicker skin then they would like you to believe" I find offensive and rude!!!!

[BarryM]

... in response to Re: Take your time and do your homework...., posted by Natalya on Feb 2, 2002

I know many Russian women both young and old and I have found that to be true... especially some of the older RW who are my friends. They have been through quite a rough life and are very strong and sometimes very sad. You should find that as a compliment, not an offense, for it is an admirable quality.

-blm

[Natalya]

... in response to Hmm...., posted by BarryM on Feb 2, 2002

Yes we are strong women because life out there is not easy and we couldn't afford to be weak. But we still are sensitive and fragile and need to be treated the same way as other women no matter what country we're from

[BarryM]

... in response to Re: Hmm...., posted by Natalya on Feb 2, 2002

Much of the strengths I see in them comes from their patience and compassion in adverse situations. One big impression I got from the native Russian women at my Church is that they are stronger, hence the term "thicker skin", than they display. I was quite impressed.

-blm

[Ryan]

... in response to Take your time and do your homework..., posted by BarryM on Feb 1, 2002

Since you used me as an example I would again ask what experience do you have?  You don't even post your E-mail, but what ever your small potato's Now I do not disagree with the statement "Be careful because a few individuals will give you completely wrong advice that could cause you to waste a lot of time and money or put you in a bad position...example, Ryan."  Screw you Berry like your some expert on this subject, "Most of my experience at present has to do with learning Russian language. I have a lot of resources in that subject, I'm also Orthodox."  What ever... Wow Orthodox that says it all, yep your a frikin expert...

Look to be honest this whole search of ours is a nightmare at best.  I mean I am writing to 29 women since I placed that one add in the Kiev and one on Lugansk newspaper.  What is that all about?  There are a ton of women over there in that country that write to us and we have to walk on water to get just one of them.  We have to understand issues like ken describes that they "will tend to magnify ANY pessimism and minimize an optimistic outlook."  They are touchy women and tend to blowup on any little issue that doesn't go their way.  They have no since of money 200 is like 2000 etc.  Then you look at what it takes for us to go over the Ukraine and survive without getting rolled or ripped off by agencies and citizens.  Then you try and go through the process of getting them over here while keeping your cool and not pissing off your girlfriend, as you know how touchy she can be.  What am I doing?  I hope STAN AND KEN and people like them are for real people and not just working for some agency and pulling our leg about how good all this is in the long run.  
I tell you I am going to stick it out just one more time this May after that if I don't see anything good I'm dropping this whole search.  I am sure allot of people here would be happy to see me get out of it.  So cross your fingers...
Ryan

[hockeybrain]

... in response to Re: Take your time and do your homework...., posted by Ryan on Feb 1, 2002

Ryan, do not give up after May.  Patience is a virtue.  Learn and do it again - if necessary.

[BarryM]

... in response to Re: Re: Take your time and do your homew..., posted by hockeybrain on Feb 1, 2002

If you haven't been following Ryan's antics on here, you may want to check some archives of his posts that weren't deleted. He has absolutely no respect for anyone on here and arrogant stupidity has made him the most reviled poster not yet banned.

-blm

[Jack]

... in response to That may be a bad idea..., posted by BarryM on Feb 1, 2002

You have forgotten about Max/jj!

[jj]

... in response to That may be a bad idea..., posted by BarryM on Feb 1, 2002

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[Bobby Orr]

... in response to That may be a bad idea..., posted by BarryM on Feb 1, 2002

Well, everybody is capable of change.  To some extent we all live in glass houses.  You learn from failure, and in Ryan's case we all have learned (though I admit many say he was stating the obvious).  Still, I respect him for the effort.

[spyke]

... in response to That may be a bad idea..., posted by BarryM on Feb 1, 2002

I thought U disliked me MORE!!!! What do I have to do??? Just tell me ... I will do it!!!!!