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Author Topic: Packet contents from Moscow  (Read 3796 times)
dcphaethon
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« on: January 27, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

Background: working on K-1 visa with my fiancee in Russia.  

I was talking with my fiancee on the phone this morning.  We were trying to prepare to receive the packet from Moscow (the packet #3?...the one they send out when they receive acceptance from INS in the States).  I had noticed on the Moscow website that they don't publish the contents of this packet on the web, you just have to wait for it to show up at your apartment.  But my understand is that it requires you to go get birth certificate, police records, and some other stuff.  My two questions are:

1)Does anyone know what is exactly requested from this packet and where I may get ahold of a copy so I can work with her to do our "homework" ahead of time?
2)My fiancee needs police reports from all locations she's lived more than 6 months (my understanding) for this packet.  Is it a problem that she never changed her passport address to St. Petersburg 5 years ago when she moved to St. Petersburg from Tichvin?  I mean, she needs to get a police report from Tichvin, her hometown, and also St. Petersburg.  Is there a problem if she never changed her official address on her passport or "officially"?  Would the Russians have a problem with this or would the U.S. embassy have a problem if we only got a police report from Tichvin?  

Thank you for the read,
David

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Flyboy
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« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Packet contents from Moscow, posted by dcphaethon on Jan 27, 2002

Keep it Simple.

On the G-325A, it asks for the addresses where she has lived past 5 years for 6 mo+.  This is the only document the embassy can get that info regarding residences, therefore requiring police certs. from each city.  If you only list one address, guess how many police certs. you need?  One.  My advice is to not complicate matters and simply list the address that is most easy to obtain a police cert from.  If your girl is from a FSU Republic, good luck getting a police cert. from every city she has lived in for more than 6 months.  Chances are, her residency never changed from her original birth town (assuming she lived there past age 16).  You are probably thinking how will she get the packet if it's sent to non-current address.  NEWSFLASH!  Chances are she aint gettin' the packet because the postal system there sucks.  If she is FSUR like Azerbaijan, I guarantee she will never get the packet.  Your fiancee should (I highly recommend) go to the embassy and pick it up in person.  A RT ticket from Baku to Moscow is $200.

My experience in Moscow:  My fiancee is from a FSUR Azerbaijan.  She had police cert. from her city of residency (birth town).  It is not the city she currently had been living in for 2 years.  She went to police in her city and they said they can not give her a police cert. because she was NOT a resident there.  Catch 22 olay.

I went to the embassy 1 day before the interview to see if her situation would be a problem.  They said, "No police cert, she won't get the K-1. Period."  The consulate said the police cert. was the #1 reason for K-1 denial.  (bad planning on my part, i should have went there my first day in Moscow)

The next day at the interview, I explained to the consulate her situation.  She told me to write a letter explaining the situation.  It was my lucky day, the consulate was aware of the problem getting police certs. in FSUR's and accepted the police cert. from her birth town.  I did have a back-up plan.  The night before the interview, We called my fiancees brother and he went to the police in her city and told them he desperately needed a police cert. for his sister in Moscow.  Extorsion can be a wonderful thing!  The police chief said for $90, they will write anything he wanted.  He brought it to the airport and a carrier pigeon delivered it to us at the airport in Moscow for $10.  I had the police cert. with me for back-up, but I didn't want to use it and complicate things because I had told them she could not get it in the first place.

Sometimes the whole truth and nothing but the truth can cause huge problems getting the K-1.  Your milage may vary.

Flyboy

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dcphaethon
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« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Packet contents from Moscow - KISS o..., posted by Flyboy on Jan 28, 2002

So if we attempt to get a police record from St. Petersburg (which is on her G-325A which I submitted to the INS Service Center not knowing this would be a problem), and they don't issue it to us, we can write a letter and the embassy may accept this?  We will obviously try everything we can to get a police record but from what everyone is saying, this is difficult even when you are registered in that location.  

By the way, why is it more difficult in St. Petersburg as one post has mentioned?

Thanks for the info.
david

I went to the embassy 1 day before the interview to see if
her situation would be a problem. They said, "No police
cert, she won't get the K-1. Period." The consulate said
the police cert. was the #1 reason for K-1 denial. (bad
planning on my part, i should have went there my first day
in Moscow)

The next day at the interview, I explained to the
consulate her situation. She told me to write a letter
explaining the situation. It was my lucky day, the
consulate was aware of the problem getting police certs.
in FSUR's and accepted the police cert. from her birth
town. I did have a back-up plan. The night before the
interview, We called my fiancees brother and he went to
the police in her city and told them he desperately needed
a police cert. for his sister in Moscow. Extorsion can be
a wonderful thing! The police chief said for $90, they
will write anything he wanted. He brought it to the
airport and a carrier pigeon delivered it to us at the
airport in Moscow for $10. I had the police cert. with me
for back-up, but I didn't want to use it and complicate
things because I had told them she could not get it in
the first place.


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Flyboy
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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Packet contents from Moscow - KI..., posted by dcphaethon on Jan 28, 2002

David,

I met a guy at the embassy in Moscow with a similar problem.  His fiancee lived in St. Pete and needed to get a police cert. from Moscow police if i remember correctly.  He was having a big problem because the Moscow police lost the first request.  Moscow police said it takes 30 days after submitting the request.  He had waited his 30 days only to find out he/she had to re-submitt and wait another 30 days.  I think St. pete is difficult because they have to get police cert. from Moscow, I think - anyone?  It's tough in Moscow, that's all I've heard.

As for the letter to the consulate, it was specifically pertaining to FSUR's like Kazakstan, Kyrgastan, Azerbaijan, etc...

Where is your fiancee from?  Birthtown?

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davet
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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Packet contents from Moscow - KISS o..., posted by Flyboy on Jan 28, 2002

Hi,
I am not an expert but my fiancee has told me about the internal Russian "passport" that all Russian and FSU citizens have and carry.  That passport lists the places of residence and the people are required to keep it current.  I would think the embassy would look at the G-325 and this passport when determining if all the police certificates are present and accounted for.  Just my opinion.
Dave
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Flyboy
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« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Packet contents from Moscow - KI..., posted by davet on Jan 28, 2002

You can buy a soviet passport and have it say anything you want, so the embassy doesn't think to fondly of them.  I think there is documentation somewhere about having an international passport for your fiancee.  They take about 2 months or so to get.  My fiancee had one and I submitted a copy of it with my I-129F petition.  Remember, INS's primary function is to determine that you have all the required docs and you are a real person and a US citizen.  The embassy's primary function is to determine that your fiancee is who she says she is, a real person, and not a criminal.  Since the embassy get's a copy of your petition, they can rapidly check the validity of your fiancee by looking at a copy of her international passport.  My petition was 90 pages thick and got approved at NSC in 3 weeks, yep three weeks on March 27th.  Her interview in Moscow was scheduled for July 2nd.  Of course she never got the interview letter to inform her of that because the postal system from Moscow to Azerbaijan is zilch.  I called the embassy and rescheduled it for Aug 2nd.

Flyboy

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Mike
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« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Packet contents from Moscow, posted by dcphaethon on Jan 27, 2002

My wife said that she should not mention St Petersburg if she has no official residency there. This will cause problems. The Embassy knows that she is to have a residency passport for the city she lives in and will not like the idea that she can't follow her own countries procedures. If it is possible for her to make all documents ?? appear as if she has lived in her home city all these years and not St pete then she should do so.
Mike ----- who is not a lawyer
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Mike
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« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Packet contents from Moscow, posted by dcphaethon on Jan 27, 2002

If I might add, she will need not only a police report from every city she's lived in sense she was 16, but also if she was ever married she will need one for every last name she has had. As for the packet what we did was I sent my wife my copy of approval by FedEx and made sure that she was to not lose it and only then was she able to go to the Embassy and get all needed information. You will need this approval when you do your adjustment here in the states,so she must not lose it! ( or you could have delays later )The reason I sent my copy was the mail system was not so reliable there and at the time she was not able to receive mail from her mail box.

She will need a valid passport, 2 passport photos, orignal and translated birth certificate, police reports, photos proving the two of you have met, a letter from you stating you plan to get married once she is here, if she has ever been married she will need her original divorce papers, and a translation. She will need a medical and the clinic will fill out the medical forms the Embassy provides, and she ( I think ) needs some more passport photos for her medical. Although I heard they no longer require the affidavit of support I would go ahead and send her that as well along with 3 years of tax copies, and a letter from your bank stating your current balance, the date you opened the account,and the amount of deposits for the past 12 months( bank letter is optional)and a letter from your employer (optional) I strongly suggest she make 2 or 3 copies of everything she is to give them.

Mike

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davet
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« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Packet contents from Moscow, posted by Mike on Jan 27, 2002

Hi,
I have read the embassy web page and the police certification info is fairly detailed but....  A question - you say you need a police certification for "every name" she has been known under.  My fiancee's police cert has both her married and maiden names on the same cert.  Is this a problem?  Does anyone have actual experience presenting one cert with two names on it?  Thanks

Before someone asks -- it was a hassle to get the police in her city to issue the cert in the first place.  I also perceive a reluctance to do a lot of business with the police by the Russian people.  Therefore, my fiancee is a little reluctant to go back into the police station and ask for 2 certs -- one in each name (married and maiden).  But if it is necessary, she will do it no matter what.

Dave

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Mike
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« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Packet contents from Moscow - po..., posted by davet on Jan 27, 2002

As I understand it they only need to know that all the names she has used was investigated by the local police. If all her previous names are listed on this report then it would have to satisfy this requirment.
Mike
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JohnG
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« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Packet contents from Moscow, posted by dcphaethon on Jan 27, 2002

I seriously wonder what you are up to if a few posts ago you were asking for a private investigator. Are you sure you want to do what you are about to do?

In any event, there is no packet 3 from Moscow, only packet 4. There is no copy of the Moscow packet 4 on the web. Avail yourself to prior info on this website and others as for what she will need for her interview. The questions you are asking about the police reports I have no opinion on. The rule is very straightforward and simple. She needs a police report for every place she has lived for six months or more. Period. My advice: take these matters seriously and be prepared with all of the documentation they ask you for.

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