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BrianN
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« on: January 19, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
Listen folks... terrorists are real.  Your wife or fiance cannot protect you from them.  They show up when you're not looking, or not expecting it.

The Philippines has had small terrorist "strikes" going on for many years, usually, in the onesy twosey quantity.  Never in massive blow ups.  The targets have almost always been US Servicemen, or american white boys.

Just because you're with filipinas/filipinos, does NOT give you a layer of protection.  If you want to really be safe, when you're on the open street, don't fall prey to your own imagination and fantasy of paradise, and forget all your troubles.  Troubles there are RE-DEFINED.

PAY ATTENTION TO ALL THAT SURROUNDS YOU.

I don't care if you've been there 1 time, or 100 times.  It's complacency that kills.

The recent things with beheading americans, are only broadcast to the gp because they're up against 9/11...  which makes great news, however, killing americans by the tic/tac/toe (lottery) method.... is very old.  Watch out for the muslims over there.  My ex has feared them since she was a kid.... as far back as the 60's.

If you want a good example.... take a look at the repeated idiot attacks in israel for so many years.  Everybody looks the same right?  But yet, some fool always seems to blow up something right?

Watch your butt, pay attention, and have a good time.  

All three items must work together.
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Jeff S
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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Terrorists..., posted by BrianN on Jan 19, 2002


It sounds good to say pay attention to everything around you, but face it, when you're a big ugly gringo traveling in the land of little people, you're going to stick out for blocks all around. PLUS, everything is foreign to your eyes, so you simply cannot know what is out of place. Walking down the street in your home town, is easier to know whether a face on the street is somehow "out of place" or normal. You're not noticing the signs, the store window displays, the birds overhead, the clothes on the people, the unusal vehicles crowding the street, and a million other things that grab your attention when traveling to a foreign land. I doubt if kidnappers brazenly walk up to you with a swagger. I'm sure they approach by stealth, so the concept of seeing something coming and evading it by ducking out the back is more appropriate for a James Bond movie than it is in real life. To me there is no better safety net than traveling with a local. Sure, you still stick out, but the local isn't looking at strange and new things constantly drawing their attention. So Jim, I'm goning to guess that until you live there for a few years, Sally will ALWAYS spot that bad dude giving you the finger before you do. And Brian, I'm not sure I'd want to travel to a country where I had to  constantly be paranoid, looking over my shoulder. I just as soon relax and trust in locals, your sweetie, her father, brother or uncle, to keep you out of situations where trouble could start. If it's going to happen, there's probably very little you can do to avert the situation anyway. Anonymity in your travel plans, finances (spending habits, etc.) is probably a good thing, but you'll never be anonymomous in a crowd. Just a few thoughts on a Sunday morning.

-- Jeff S.
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BrianN
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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Terrorists..., posted by BrianN on Jan 19, 2002

Well, I guess everybody's right on target.

But watch those you don't know... watch their eyes, their actions... passive or active.

Be safe.  (best I can do on short term).

Never forget that it's the ones you don't see... that screw up your holiday.
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Jimbo
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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Re: Terrorists..., posted by BrianN on Jan 20, 2002

I have to admit, on my first trip to Butuan, we were walking around the crowded night bazaar by the square and Sally was becoming agitated.  Later when I asked what was wrong she said a muslim guy had given me the finger somewhat discreetly by putting his hand on the side of his head.  I never saw it, I wasn't looking for anything like that, but I should have been.

Jim
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Dave H
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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Yes, be observant, posted by Jimbo on Jan 20, 2002

Hey Jimbo,

A Muslim guy made a comment as I approached, which I didn't understand. I just smiled as my wife tried to push me into a store. Then she proceeded back, with me close behind and got in his face, until he left in a hurry...I think it was something about the Ilaga group. ;o)) He could tell that I'm a big eater. It was a good thing that I didn't have my George Foreman Rotisserie Oven with me. ;o) I also had a drunk guy giving me the evil eye, which she pointed out. I got him to laugh and continued on my way.

Dave "Rat" H.
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Jeff S
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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Yes, be observant, posted by Jimbo on Jan 20, 2002


.. that pointy nose of yours! Shocked)

-- Jeff S.
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Jimbo
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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Terrorists..., posted by BrianN on Jan 19, 2002

Thats right we can't guarantee your safety in the Philippines right now from the terrorist or from the kidnappers. Philippines government couldn't help you either.  

Everytime Jim visit to Philippines I'm always so worried about his safety especially when he go diving.  I'm not worried of shark, I'm worried of pirates underwater. LOL.  Also Jim loves to look around and went hiking by himself, he think he was in America.  I always remind him that don't go further or might someone would kidnap you and I have no money to pay for ransom. )o-:

This fall he plan to visit in Philippines. I already start to worry about his safety because he is a white American man has a sharp nose and he can't disguise that. Muslims are everywhere now in the Philippines and you'll never know. They simply hate Americans, especially now because American government deployed US Special Forces in the Philippines to help and fight terrorism.

Oh well, just be alert wherever you go in the Philippines and beware of your surrounding.

Sally
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Dave H
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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Re: Terrorists............................., posted by Jimbo on Jan 19, 2002

Hi Sally,

You mean you can't kick the crap out of those terrorists with your long legs? ;o))

Some interesting info about the Abu Sayyaf. The name means "father of the swordsman" in Arabic. It was named after a mujahedin fighter in Afghanistan in the 1980s, where a number of its members fought against the Soviet-backed regime.

From Robert Young Pelton's "Dangerous Places" http://www.comebackalive.com/df/index.htm The book is outstanding and was written by a man that has been there and done it. A must read for me before I wandered into the Mindanao:

"Years of war and over $3 billion in covert U.S. aid have created three new warrior castes in Afghanistan. The older generation of Afghani mujahedin are Tajiks and Pathans who spent their young lives in nomadic columns killing Russians in the early '80s. The second group are the infamous "Afghans" the people the CIA (through the Pakistani secret service) hired and trained to fight the Russians. They are called "Afghans" because they are not Afghani. (Stay with me, this stuff is complicated). These "Afghans," estimated to be around 5,000 in total, were primarily Baluchis, Algerians, Egyptians, Saudis, Filipinos and Palestinians. Most of these men have returned to their home countries and are wreaking havoc everywhere from Zamboango, Philippines (Abu Sayeff), to Algiers, Algeria (GIA) and Manhattan, New York (World Trade Center bombing)."

Not to mention Sept. 11.


Dave H.
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Nathan
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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Come on Sally..., posted by Dave H on Jan 20, 2002

 Afghani? A citizen of Afghanistan is  not an Afghani-
they are Afghans. The term Afghani is not the correct term in any case, unless you work for a major American news organization and you simply are not aware.

2 cents worth...

Nathan
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Dave H
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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to 2 cents worth..., posted by Nathan on Jan 20, 2002

Hi Nathan,

I personally thought that an "Afghan" was a type of hound or blanket. ;o)) Seriously, an "Afghan" is a native or inhabitant of Afghanistan according to Webster. The term "Afghani" would more accurately describe a member of the Pashtuns, which make up over half of the population and are the dominant ethnic and linguistic community. The "Afghan/Afghani" quote in my previous post was from Robert Young Pelton who wrote the book "Worlds Most Dangerous Places" and lived among them. You will have to correct him. ;o)) I am not certain as to the political correctness of the terms. I was mainly interested in the statement that the Abu Sayaaf trained and fought in Afghanistan, before returning to the Philippines to spread terror.

Dave H.
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Nathan
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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to My 10 cents worth..., posted by Dave H on Jan 21, 2002

I suspect the terror connection will continue to grow
with moslem groups in Mindanao. Between being corrupt and
inept, Philippine authorities will be hard pressed to
deal with these groups and there are plenty of elements within both the MILF and MNLF that will support terror in addition to the ASG. Of course, hopeless poverty is a fertile recruiting ground...

Nathan
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Dave H
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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Re: My 10 cents worth..., posted by Nathan on Jan 21, 2002

Hi Nathan,

It seems when one group signs a peace agreement, it grows another militant branch that picks up the fighting. Have you heard much about the Christian vigilante groups of the 70's and 80's? I read that old vigilante groups like Tadtad, Ilaga, Pulahan, and Sagrado Corazon de Jesus, have once again armed themselves. They formed an organization called the Alliance of Christians for Muslim-Free Mindanao. Sounds like ASG and MILF's worst nightmare.

Dave H.
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Ray
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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Very true!, posted by Dave H on Jan 22, 2002

Dave,

There's a feature story about Ilaga in today's (1/23/02) Manila Times:

http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2002/jan/23/top_stories/20020123top1.html

Ray
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Nathan
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« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Very true!, posted by Dave H on Jan 22, 2002

Dave,

  Of course, the Vigilante groups are going to arm themselves again. Moslems only make up about 25% of the total population of Mindanao, so for the MILF it will be a nightmare if the Vigilante groups really grow, as in reality, the moslem groups there are greatly out-numbered.
   For men going to Mindanao...wherever your go...be street smart...always aware of what is going on around you...live smart or you may die stupid. If it heats up more on Mindanao, and as US military forces get involved there, the logic of terrorists is to attack US civilians if they cannot succeed against military forces.

Nathan
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Dave H
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« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Re: Very true!, posted by Nathan on Jan 22, 2002

Hey Nathan,

Right! Without a doubt, the vigilante groups are rearming themselves. What I was alluding to were extreme groups like Ilaga. I heard that the Ilaga Group, once lead by Norberto Manero Jr., was fond of eating (or perhaps nibbling on) its Muslim and Communist captives, as were several other groups. Now that's what I call intimidation.

I think that you're right on the money about attacks on US civilians. Perhaps the US presence alone may be enough to trigger some attacks against those perceived to be US citizens. US military personnel on R&R would also be prime targets for terrorists.

Dave H.
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