(this is a reply to an earlier post)

Met RW after several months of correspondence..got engaged on 2nd date...she came over 8 weeks later...got married 10 weeks after that...still happily married after almost 2 years.

I'm either really crazy/lucky or crazy/perceptive!

Stevo

Are those our only options?  I can think of a few more.    LOL!

I have to care to a point, maybe not as much as you think (or as I like), but it's necessary for a bunch of intricate reasons. Complicated, but necessary reasons. I really do wish Anti well, I ain't *that* much of a hard ass that I would do otherwise. You're really of the opinion that the majority chose his route? Hmmm..I think Stan is in a minority, albeit a large one. Let's call it 30/70, but I'm pullin that outta my ass.
I agree the rest here seem diferent by vaying degrees, from Stan, to Mark, to Dan, whose done it right imho. Then again, he has oppurtunities most do not. (I dunno about the age thing, though, but I ain't gonna debate that with *you* :-)

I shouldn't say "argue", from now on I'll say you can't reason with a drunken man, thats better. (lol..So it shall be written, so it shall be done).

I'm simply fascinated by the things folks do under certain circumstances is all. Stan's belief's are quite unshakable in that they approach the solidness of religion, cults, and other examples where a) they cause people do the darnest things and b) they simply do not respond to logic or reasoning even after those things are done. Love, or the illusion of love, certainly falls into that category. History is rife with examples of what people in power have done when they lose it over a female, as are most of our personal lives. Stan's entitled to do as he wishes, it affects me only in that it perpetrates the somewhat accurate public perception that guys who did what he's done are a tad off kilter.

I mean, come on, he states how he's lived on the beach and dated women for years, that he didn't want to give that up until the "right" one came along. Then he goes around the world and after meeting two women, kaboom, there she is. The Right One, and in a only weeks time. See my point?
He spend all those years dating and evaluating others, yet in a week he "knows" this one is The One?
(Me thinks I understand her motivation but thats OK, nothing really wrong there.)

How he can fail to see the humor in that is beyond me and how he countinues to reject the notion that it was a problem is whats fascinating. The only logical explanation is that deep down, he really does know it but his need was too great to excerise control over the situation. This flies in the face of all I believe in, all I've worked for, to absolutley avoid being your own worst enemy. I mean jeesh, life is tough enough as it is without pointing the gun at yourself.

But, Stan is Stan, you are you, and Gary (that would be me) is Gary, and I accept that. I really do wish him well and actually admire his tolerance of those who don't share his views. (lol..Yoey on the other hand is Satan, masquerading as a Hossier. Children Of The Corn and all that stuff.)

As for me, yeah, you're right. Me thinks I'm in the winter of my association with these girls. I gave it two years to learn and formulate an opinion, thats up in March. I've come to the conclusion that, although they possess certain endearing qualities, those qualities are not worth the risk and hassles involved. I simply do not share the opinion that those qualities make them "better" than A/W. While I've been hacked up by a few A/W like everyone else, the rest are no differnt than R/W except the consequences are worse with a R/W when it fails. All else being equal, and I really feel it is, why should I  continue? This is what I've come to after two years and lots of interaction with these girls. They simply are not all they're cracked up to be, period. Been a hoot though, I'll certainly admit that.

I find them exceesivly emotional, illogical (Ok, they're women, but much worse than A/W in this regard), tempermental and, at least many of those I've dealt with, not too bright. Then again, I've met some jewels and thats what keeps me going. I ain't finished yet, lol, ya gotta admit, it's gonna take more time than normal to find a match with me. (Ya know, sometimes I wish I could be like Stan.)

They can also be devious, calculating, and manipulating. Whats that you say? A/W are worse? Hogwash. While individuals vary, all in all, our chicks have the edge over R/W in many areas that really matter. I guess many guys are threatened by that or don't have the skills to deal with it. They want something thats an anachronism in our culture, or simply a young pretty thing to show off.

They also put way to much stock in the femininity thing, other qualities are far more important than that and A/W can be plenty feminine. Besides, these girls *will* change after they come here, I see it all around me  here in our local Russian community. Some of worst women I've ever met are R/W who've been here some time, many end up a complilation of things that would make many A/W appear Princesses by comparison. I know, not all will be like this, but my experience is enough to ring the bell loudly and that's part of the experience that Stan blew off.

I think many guys get into this during a tough time in their lives and eventually come to their senses. I wonder what *that* percentage is? We'll never know because it's a hidden statistic. The rest get "sucked in" by the hype and can't escape, victims of their own lack of perspective.
They chug along and as time goes by they end up doing almost anything to fill the hole in their soul. Some just waste no time and plug it pronto, maybe thats really the best if their gonna piss away a few years anyway. It's for them to decide but thats not for me.

Anywho, one must do as one believes. Wether it's a mission to marry a R/W, climb Everest, knock down towers with airplanes or position oneself on a tall building with a rifle, a guy has gotta do what a guy has gotta do.
Each example *firmly* believes in what he's doing and ya won't talk him outta it, I guess thats my point.

Man, I'm ramblin more than usual today. It's rainin up here and she's gone until Christmas, visiting her "kind". I'll tell ya, those guys on the Asian board know something ya'll don't. ;-)

lol, Now where did I put that aluminum foil....

FSUW and other women from around the world wants what AW have to offer
AM wants what RW and many women around the world have to offer
many AM want white women
AM goes to FSU
FSUW come to America
it is not hard or bad or anything..........it is just the right thing at the right time---------it is life. Accept it and enjoy
Joe

"If I had any doubts I would have waited, but I saw no need and I defineately don't regret my choice."

You keep saying that in your posts, over and over. How can you possibly know she's right for you after so little time?
You can't. How could you *possibly* make such an argument?
As far as regretting it, of course you don't...now. When you were over there, being blinded by the light, did you even consider what might happen later? Me thinks you had nary a clue.

"And once you know someone is right for you, whats the point of waiting?"

Say what?!? How about some risk management, some caution, some control, some perspective that no one can possibly be "right" for you after one week? How bout some common sense?

"Does everyone that meets someone on their 1st trip or only writes 1 girl make this "entire endeavor smell bad to the public at large"

No, of course not. But what you did is a far cry from that. Most go back home, develop the relationship, go back and spend more time with her. You didn't do any of that. Apples to oranges. Everyone who goes over, asks a girl to marry him after one week and then goes and does it, *does* make it smell bad to the public. It's just plumb irresponsible and to say it isn't is simply crackers. Me thinks that Maui
Wowie has taken it's toll on your bean, lol, ya wanna end up like Yoey?

"Well if that comes about,which I seriously doubt, I'll deal with it just fine."

*If* it comes about? You gotta be kidding. You think it already hasn't, and long ago? You honestly believe most of the people you know aren't already doing that, or did at some earlier point? Wonder if we ask the proverbial hundred people on the street what they think of your moves? Or that many here don't secretly feel you're fruit loops?

The point of *my* post is that you were blinded by your own emotions so badly that you can't possible be objective about the foolhardiness of what you did, at least when you did it. Nay, even now. It's simple amazing to me that you could let it go that far, can't you see that? After all, who's running your show? Who's driving your bus? lol..You had full deflection on the localizer and slope, a missed approach would have been prudent. Instead, you chose the Smokin Hole One Arrival.

Your constant refering to "she's the one", "I knew it was right", ect, after knowing her so little time is simply
nuts! You must be one of those guys who believes in "love at first sight" and all that nonsense. Jeesh Stan, you're a big boy, not a hormone raging, pie in the sky kid in the 10th grade. I just dont get it.

Can't you remember that you must have felt that same way in the beginning of any of your past failed relationships? Ones with women you got to know much better before they failed? Ones you were glad you didn't marry in the end?

I give up buddy, I just have to assume you were simply to far in over your head, to outta control to even see anything past your own desires to solve the problem as quickly as possible. You're a *classic* case of the "one can't argue with a drunken man" syndrome. :-)

Anyway, thanx for not takin it personally. I consider it just a friendly debate. Well, actually, for me it borders on a rare look into the far reaches of what some guys will do. lol..Man, you're *really* out there to actually buy what you're selling. As Mr Spock would say: "Fascinating!"

It's OK, too late now anyway. I'll simply chalk your present
attitude up to being in love *now*, nothin wrong with that. My points were about how you started it all and you'll never change my mind about it. But, it's a done deal and what will be will be, one way or the other.

My wishes for the best remain intact, as does a hope you exercise better sensibilities and control in any command decisions you make in your future.

lol..For the life of me though, this one'll be hard to beat.

Take 'er easy....

"I do hear everything that your saying and in most cases you'd probably be right."  

But not in *your* case, eh? :-)

"And to tell you the truth neither 1 of us is madly in love, but it is growing every day."  

Well, thats great, and a good deal. But why would you marry someone you're not madly in love with in the first place? Even after a thousand weeks??

The prosecution rests. :-)

Seriously, thanx for your candor and I hope you both have a great life. Take care....