Why we (Men) Can Be Scammed? Long Post

[Jake]

... in response to Re: Re: BRUCE/TLC IS YOUR ANSWER!!!!!!!!..., posted by papi on Jul 9, 2005

I could make a phone call and I am sure he will hire you  , just ask SAm .

[papi]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: BRUCE/TLC IS YOUR ANSWER!!!!..., posted by Jake on Jul 9, 2005


Jakester, here is my resume:

slightly overweight defunct gringo agency owner living in Miami.  Main passion – hot women.  See if you can get me a job

[Jake]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: BRUCE/TLC IS YOUR ANSWER..., posted by papi on Jul 9, 2005

Call 1 800 need love

[OkieMan]

... in response to Re: BRUCE/TLC IS YOUR ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by Jake on Jul 9, 2005

Jake,

Let's please not go down that road again.  However, have no fear.  I have absolutely no intention of taking a tour with Bruce, or anyone else.  I am not attracted to the "cattle call" approach.  But, I am sure that Papi was just trying to be helpful.  I will be alright.  I just need some time to regroup.  But, again, the reason I wrote this thread was because of the many, many stories from other posters(including you) who have been burned.  I just find it very fascinatting that many of the men(myself included) can be fooled by these girls.  I really never expected to find THE ANSWER!  But, I still think it is worth talking about.  What do you think?

                          OkieMan

[papi]

... in response to Re: Re: BRUCE/TLC IS YOUR ANSWER!!!!!!!!..., posted by OkieMan on Jul 9, 2005

Okie, there was a women a couple years ago that I was writing to when in the US and spent some time with in Cali.  She was very sexy.  Anyway, when I returned we finally got intimate and afterwards before I got my pants on she was begging me for money - $80K pesos which is not a lot of cash.  I said no but finally relented and then she did not even show up for lunch the next day.  Look, a lot of these girls are poor, desperate and flaky.  Many are of good character but with the good you find the bad.  Just goes with the territory.  But these girls are learning the game especially with all the gringos heading south.  Many places are over-fished and spoiled

[OkieMan]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: BRUCE/TLC IS YOUR ANSWER!!!!..., posted by papi on Jul 9, 2005

Papi,

Here is my point.  So, you liked the lady and became intimate with her.  Then she asked for money.  My question is do you think she was just stringing you along for money?  Like some kind of a con or scam?  At that point, it just becomes a form of prostituion.  Now, I am wondering if the girl could sincerely need money.  You have sex with her, but she still really likes you.  Wouldn't you be giving her more money over time (assuming you were still into her)?  She would make more, it would seem.  I certainly realize that there are crooks of all types in the world.  That is just life.  But, this process has gotten more jaded, since I would guess that up to that point, you really thought she liked you, right?  Maybe she was a good roll in the hay, but you also thought she was a nice girl, up to that point? Right?  Had she been, maybe you could have had something special; I don't know.  But, since she did not show up the next day for lunch, you probably felt like a first class chump!  That's the crappy stuff I am talking about.  I know it happens, but I just don't understand how it is so prevelant.  I mean, you are way more experienced at this thing than I am.  I never said I was Mr. Expert!  But, your story is one of many.  It just seems to me that if the girls would play it straight, they would come out better, and so would we.
As you can tell, I am not a deceitful person; and I find it hard to understand others that are.

                           OkieMan

[papi]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: BRUCE/TLC IS YOUR ANSWER..., posted by OkieMan on Jul 9, 2005

I didn't feel like a chump but my opinion of her changed. Cali is a bigger problem. Full of flakes and they will waste your time. I got her kicked out of the agency for whatever good that did. Cali might have been great 10 years ago but times have changed. Still, I am sure there are still some good ones there for the pickings

[OkieMan]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: BRUCE/TLC IS YOUR AN..., posted by papi on Jul 9, 2005

Papi,

Again, I appreciate your comments.  But, I just want you to know that I am not limiting my search to Cali.  It's just that is the only city I have been in Colombia, so far.
I do not know when and where I will go next, but I am not hung up on Cali; but I am also not ruling it out either.  It's just that I still have to learn as much as I can between now and then, and go for it.

                          OkieMan

[Jake]

... in response to Re: Re: BRUCE/TLC IS YOUR ANSWER!!!!!!!!..., posted by OkieMan on Jul 9, 2005

you are going either to the cleaners AW or burned in latina land ... I have met one person who has not spent a bunch of money down south ........ that was just pure luck ....

[OkieMan]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: BRUCE/TLC IS YOUR ANSWER!!!!..., posted by Jake on Jul 9, 2005

Jake,

So, basically, your saying it's the lesser of two evils?

That may be true, but it sure does not sound like fun.  I would rather find the right lady, and then get on with my life.  I am already tired of this "merry-go-round"!  I am not one of the guys who wants to be a "professional dater".
Having said that, I certainly am not going back to dating AW.  So, obviously the latina thing is better.  I am just making some observations,based on my own experiences and also hearing from other posters.  This is turning more into a "marathon", not a sprint. To me, the marathon should be the marriage, not the courtship.

                          OkieMan

[OkieMan]

... in response to BRUCE/TLC IS YOUR ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by papi on Jul 9, 2005

Papi,

Thank you for your comments.  I brought this subject up not only because of my limited experiences, but also because it seems that many other posters on this board has brought it up.  Many have gotten hurt or scammed far more than I.  But, I do find it interesting that this sort of thing can happen over and over.  As far as TLC, or other tours, I am not interested.  The tour thing never appealed  to me.  I much prefer the one-on-one introductions.  Certainly I have much to learn, and I will continue to do so; starting with learning more spanish.  But, as Jake and  you, as well as others have pointed out, you can speak fluent spanish and still get taken (in certain situations).  Also, as I said, this is probably just a rhetorical question; because there probably is no answer.  Certainly, there are no easy answers.  But, you have to admit, it sure is fascinating how this type of thing can happen over and over again.  Best of luck on your trip to BAQ.  I look forward to your trip report.

                           OkieMan

[papi]

... in response to Re: BRUCE/TLC IS YOUR ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by OkieMan on Jul 9, 2005

the cita thing has its plus and minuses. Talk to Dolphin - he spent a week in Colombia with me and sat around an office all day because of continued no shows. Yes, the party thing might be a tad awkward but who gives a f..k. it is a chance to cherrypick from a ton of ladies which you see live and not because you fell in love with a pic. I still do the citas but think the parties have their merits and can be a productive use of time. One time I was really looking forward to meeting a lady at one of the most respected agencies.  I thought her pic was incredibly hot and she was the main reason I chose that agency.  Well, when I met her she must have spent the past year filling up on empanadas since her last photo shoot. She is still on the website - but probably 30 lbs heavier than her pic. Again, i wish i had someone like me to give me advice when i started this project

[OkieMan]

... in response to Re: Re: BRUCE/TLC IS YOUR ANSWER!!!!!!!!..., posted by papi on Jul 9, 2005

Papi,

Well, for me, the benefit of sharing our posts with each other is to exchange information; because all of us can learn something.  I certainly appreciate the opportunity to learn from some of you who are more experienced.  But, ultimately, we must find our own path.  Sometimes, life can be a wild and strange ride!

                       OkieMan

[fathertime]

... in response to Re: BRUCE/TLC IS YOUR ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by OkieMan on Jul 9, 2005

Howdy Okieman, I am curious if you are not going to go on a tour what is your gameplan?  I ask because to me it is the best way to meet many girls and than pick your favorites for 1 on 1 meetings.  Time is short in Colombia so this seems a good use of time.  I am open to different ideas so perhaps your developing gameplan would work for others as well.  BTW I can not stand the large group party thing either but I just stand on the sidelines and pick who I want to talk to and it is sorta like a one on one thing at that point. I never participate in any sort of introduction or group game when those events occur I fade away for a time.  
Buen suerte!
Fathertime

[OkieMan]

... in response to Re: Re: BRUCE/TLC IS YOUR ANSWER!!!!!!!!..., posted by fathertime on Jul 9, 2005

Fathertime,

Since I just got back from Cali on June 2, I do not yet have a "game plan" for the next trip.  However, I am working on that.  It will take me a while to re-evaluate everything and learn from my mistakes.  The one thing I know for sure is that I want to learn more spanish.  But, that certainly takes some time.  The rest-- well, I just don't know yet.  Good luck on your search.

                             OkieMan