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Author Topic: How did you learn Spanish?  (Read 3072 times)
Richard G
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« on: May 26, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

I think it would be informative and motivational to hear from members who have achieved fluency or near fluency in Spanish.  How did you learn the language?  What methods were used (community college classes, self-study, audio programs, watching Spanish language television, living with a girlfriend/wife who spoke the language?)  How long did it take?    Tell us a little bit about how your Spanish communication skills progressed.  Did you get a big motivational boost after your first trip down south?
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utopiacowboy
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« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to How did you learn Spanish?, posted by Richard G on May 26, 2005

I am probably a little unusual in that I have not taken any formal study of Spanish. Unlike my wife, who has taken English classes for over a year and studies her grammar, I believe the key to learning a new language is speaking and listening. In other words get on the bicycle and ride!

I saw my wife's profile on a website (amigos.com) when I went looking to find a Mexicana who lived nearby. As luck would have it, I saw her and even though she spoke no English (and still doesn't) and I knew no Spanish, I decided to start communicating with her using a dictionary and the internet translators. We progressed to chatting on Yahoo and my written Spanish progressed rapidly. It took some time being with her for my oral Spanish skills to catch up to my written Spanish, for a while I had to almost visualize writing the words out.

Essentially my Spanish progressed as though I were a child learning to speak. At first I had to say everything in the present tense but I was concentrating on building a big enough vocabulary to say almost anything I wanted. Later I began using the preterite and future tenses. After I mastered those I began using the other tenses. I still have a little trouble with the subjunctive which is used far more in Spanish than it is in English.

I grew up in Montreal and know how to speak French but I found French almost more of a hindrance than a help in learning Spanish. Even though they are both Latin languages, I do not find many similarities.

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Ricardo
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« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: How did you learn Spanish?, posted by utopiacowboy on May 27, 2005

I studied - took an very basic intro class (taught entirely in spanish) for 2 months.  About a year later I went the immersion route (5 weeks) and progressed immensely, from there it was reviewing my grammar, learning more vocab., new expression, colloquialisms, but MOST importantly talking with latinas in Colombia and by email and internet chat.
Interestingly, I was fluent in French before studying spanish, and that helped tremendously espectially the pronunciation was a breeze for me, and I also found a lot of similar words (different pronuciation and spelling of course).  I do agree, that sometimes knowing a couple other languages, i sometimes find myself thinking in spanish and using a french word, etc...
As they say - a "work in progress ...."
Good luck to all
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utopiacowboy
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« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: How did you learn Spanish?, posted by Ricardo on May 27, 2005

I find your comment that the pronunciation helped puzzling. In Spanish, almost everything is pronounced, very rarely is something silent. French, like English, is full of silent vowels. Whenever I could not think of a word in Spanish and used the French equivalent, it rarely helped, "mot", "palabra", "boite", "caja" etc....  My wife understands Portuguese and Italian fairly well but she can't understand a word of French. I do think that learning another language at a young age may train your brain to readily learn new languages.
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Ricardo
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« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Re: How did you learn Spanish?, posted by utopiacowboy on May 27, 2005

Thanks for your reply.  I meant that my vocab was extensive in French and of course english.  However, I think I had little problem with the pronunciation, by which I meant that I was already used to non-english pronunciation, if that makes sense.  For me it helped, and I agree that words like "mot" and "mots" or "bon", etc the final consoant is silent, etc... but that was not an impediment for me.  As I said I think it helped me, because it was not a strech for me - I was fluent and verse in conversation and writing if a couple of languages already.  I studied spanish with some students (who spoke only english) and it wasn't uncommon for them to speak spanish with a heavy englisgh accent, which I don't have, according to my latina friends.  Thanks for your comments, by the way i also grew up in montreal.
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Michael B
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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to How did you learn Spanish?, posted by Richard G on May 26, 2005

BA, major in Spanish.

Traveled extensively through Mexico during my 'wild days'.

Worked on an advanced degree at UNAM - Universidad Nacional Autonoma de Mexico, Mexico City (alas, the necessity of returning to the US to earn a living kept me from finishing).

Taught Spanish in HS.

Taught Spanish in a community college (except in those days, they were referred to as 'junior colleges').

Worked as a bi-lingual aide for the State Department 2 years during the Mariel Boat Lift.

Married to a Costa Rican for 16 years, although she spoke perfect English (and French and Portuguese, too, for what it's worth) by the time I met her.

Married to a Calena about a year and a half now (and she DOESN'T speak English---guess I really should get around to teaching her one day).

Live in Dallas, which (at least in certain parts) is practically becoming a colony of Mexico anyway.

Watching TV and listening to the radio are also good methods, and here in Dallas we also have a rather prolific Spanish press, two or three dailies and I can't even remember how many weeklies and ‘neighborhood shopper’ or its equivalent in Spanish.

Despite all this, every day my wife manages to use at least 3 words that I don't know, ha ha. (Colombian Spanish is different from Mexican Spanish, a good analogy would be one of us speaking with somebody from Australia—and don’t get me started on Cubans, even other native Spanish speakers have trouble understanding them).

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Michael B
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« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: How did you learn Spanish?, posted by Michael B on May 26, 2005

Wait, I just thought of something else, but the time crossed midnight and the program wouldn't let me edit the orginal message, so I had to add a new one. Anyway.....

You asked for learning aids? The best one (other than living in a Spanish speaking country) is picture novelas. They are little paper back books, printed like a comic book, story line like a soap opera or adventure novel. Don't jeer, they really do help. Having the pictures and words together reinforces what you are reading and the picture and/or plot line often gives away the meaning of a word or phrase you're not quite sure of. Plus, unlike TV and radio, you can stare at one frame or back up and repeat until you 'get it', where as on TV, the show has advanced to five scenes latter before you've deduced the word you were stuck on. Yeah, I know, somebody is bound to say TIVO, but they weren't invented (or at least not readily availble at an affordable price) until a couple of years ago,  but come to think of it, I'll bet they WOULD help, if you used them to repeat a scene over and over.

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surfscum
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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to How did you learn Spanish?, posted by Richard G on May 26, 2005

Immersion: there's nothing better. I started in High School and was lucky enough to make some trips down to Mexico at that time. Then a few visits to Spain while in the Navy and then college.  In college, I was an ESL tutor and I made friends among the students and even dated some of them. I basically hung out with them a lot and learned as much spanish as I could from them. Most recently, when I went to SA for the first time in 2002 I was there for 4 months so I had lots of immersion.

For those who have good spanish skills and grammer, try 1001 pitfalls in spanish.  It has lots of good tips and refresher points.  I learned about estoy para with an infinitive, for example.

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wsbill
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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to How did you learn Spanish?, posted by Richard G on May 26, 2005

If you want to learn spanish...They're everywhere.  Si

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BAQman
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« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to How did you learn Spanish?, posted by Richard G on May 26, 2005

If you really want to learn, start with the tapes and night classes at the local hih school...then commit to spending some time in a place where you have to  speak/learn it to get around.  It's amazing how quickly you learn when you "have to."  I'd only had 3 years of Spanish in H.S. when I first went to Panama inthe military.  Within a month, I could communicate pretty well.  After 10 years of not speaking Spanish, I went back to LA for a couple of months over the last year, and now I'm chatting fluently again.  There's no substitute for some type of immersion.
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