No Shows

[Jamie]

No man is immune to no-shows, women who say they will meet you but don’t call off or show up. I had a client early 40’s, good looking, tall, no children, President of a Movie studio in Los Angeles making over a million per year (for some reason rich men want to tell you how much they make, in this case he qualifies by saying I am not rich I have to work for a living… ok) got a no show on his second appointed date with the same woman. I have not figured out the physiology of this yet, but there is something wrong with many of these women regarding proper manners and providing direct sincere answers. Just as they have not learned to put milk in the refrigerator they have not learned to use the phone to cancel an appointment.

We do either individual introductions or group introductions combined with individual introductions. I don’t think we ever had a guy pay for an individual introduction that had a now show. A few called off but that happens. The reason is the guy shows up usually unannounced and we get answers quickly and the date set up quickly normally within 24 hours with taxi fare taken care of. No girl meets a guy unless she has seen his photo(s) and introduction letter and the guy only pays if he meets her.

Now for our group introductions does it mater that we invited 7 girls and 2 don’t show up? We now do not tell the guy who or how many are going to show because we can’t control this it is impossible. Every girl’s appointment is confirmed 24 hours in advance and we will still get no shows. Girl’s that have a history of this are removed. But almost all girls will occasionally be no-shows and of course they always give an excuse on why they could not call in advance and I would bet over 80% are not legitimate. Most girls that don’t show say they were interested in meeting the guy, but obviously were not interested because they would have showed. They are too immature to say no they say no by not showing up. We have called girls for meal introductions 1-2 hours before their date to confirm if everything is on schedule and they still don’t show. We tell the girls if your are not really interested in this guy its no problem you don’t have to see him only commit if you really want to meet him and can. And they all say yes I am really interested and they still may not show. So what do you do?

Now any girl who is a no show one time is never set up on an individual date only a group introduction, if it happens 2 or 3 times in a row during a group intro and we feel it is not legitimate we remove them. We remove on average 3-5 girls per week from the website. We prefer to have 6-7 girls per group introduction but we may get 4 no shows and only 2 girls show up, which is not the way we want it. So we will normally try to invite 10 girls expecting a few no shows but sometimes all show and we have 10-12 girls in an introduction which is too many. The guys tell us they feel overwhelmed the girls don’t like it because they don’t get a chance to talk so this is not a solution but it is now our answer. You are in a no win situation when it comes to eliminating no shows because the women are not reliable, honest or considerate.  

Now the older the woman the fewer the no shows. Girls in their late 20’s and up are more reliable, however with younger women you can only judge them from their history. We have called girls to let them know we are going to pick them up in a taxi in 20 minutes they say their ready we arrive and their not at home. What do you do? Now we have 30 minutes to get the guy a date sometimes we can do this sometimes we can’t. We have removed girls who have called us back pleading to be put back on the website telling us it won’t happen again even with these girls guess what, it happens again. This is not a woman problem or a dating problem it is endemic epidemic in Colombia and maybe most of Latin America. People without jobs don’t show up for interviews, professional don’t make their appointments or you go to their office for an appointment and their not there. Men do it, professionals do it, and girl friends that love you do it. One can only draw the line on how much you will tolerate. Long talks about how unacceptable and wrong this is gets you no where because this is how everyone behaves all you will get in return for your effort is a better excuse when it happens again.

Engage the Exotic - Latin Women
http://International-Introductions.com

[BAQman]

... in response to No Shows, posted by Jamie on May 23, 2005

Excellent post...it shows that there's a lot of room for improvement on the no-show front.

I do have one issue though.  You claim that a high-level movie studio executive, a man who must be intelligent, educated and worldly compared to most, chose to use marriage agency in Colombia, a country with a rich history of poverty, violent crime, and kidnapping.  I buy it so far I guess...

This movie studio president, who makes a million dollars in salary per annum and who knows how much in bonus and options, at some point decides to start telling people he doesn't even know, in Colombia of all places, what he does for a living and how much he makes.  This is to lessen his chances to become a victim of crime or kidnapping and further his chances of meeting that special someone who's not just interested in his money, right?    I have no facts to present regarding this myself, but it seems to me that someone truly in his position wouldn't do such a thing for obvious reasons.  Do you think he exaggerated for effect hoping to further his cause with the girls, or maybe you exaggerated just a little here just a bit to further your agency's reputation with respect to the caliber of your clients?

Just curious....a newbie.  

[Gringo Loco]

... in response to Re: No Shows, posted by BAQman on May 23, 2005

Dude, What is it with you people? Do you not think for a second that these guys of all walks of life don't have great jobs? When I was on the tour with a different agency, who I will not mention there was an Oil Anylist who made a lot of money and bragged about it. A guy who owned a Coffe Distribution Company in New Jersey and bragged about it. I work in Film/Television and spend the majority of my life with famous people and I brag about it.  I don't make a million dollars a year but I guarantee you I make twice as much as you do. I even share pictures if you care for some.

I see the majority of these men are succesful and the others just simply can't get laid and spend the money in Colombia to do just that. Or they are wife abusers looking for a wife who will tolorate their antics.

If the guy was down there bragging about it, yeah that could potentially be dangerous. But If he was a a Stock Broker who made 3 Million a year it probably wouldn't matter to you would it?

I am sure Jaime wouldn't have any reason to lie about something like that. Especially with the details he included with his posting.

I am not here to argue with anyone.I can tell you after reading your experience with Jamie's agency It is light hearted compared to what people have experienced with other agencies. Just let the man be, If I am not mistaken you did manage to find your fiance through his agency right? Then it must have been some sucess!

Regards,

Michael Hurles
www.yourlatinwife.com
The new era of International Relationships!

[BAQman]

... in response to Re: Re: No Shows, posted by Gringo Loco on May 23, 2005

The rest of this sounds legit, but...

"I don't make a million dollars a year but I guarantee you I make twice as much as you do."

Huh?  I haven't said word one about what I do or how much I make.  How can you make a "guarantee" like that; and, more importantly, why would you even want to try?

[Gringo Loco]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: No Shows, posted by BAQman on May 24, 2005


I was making a point. You act like just because this is a more personal and private business to most. That it is impossible for a rich or successful person to want to explore the opportunity. Or that some of these agencies attract such clients.

[BAQman]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: No Shows, posted by Gringo Loco on May 24, 2005

Not at all.  I suggested that a rich and successful person usually doesn't feel the need to brag about it, especially when he's on his way to a dangerous place know for povery, crime, and kidnapping.

[Jamie]

... in response to Re: No Shows, posted by BAQman on May 23, 2005

“…start telling people he doesn't even know,”

No one would use our high end services without trusting us. If they trust you they are going to give enough information for you to help them. If they don’t trust us they would not be paying us thousands of dollars.

“…what he does for a living and how much he makes. This is to lessen his chances to become a victim of crime or kidnapping and further his chances of meeting that special someone who's not just interested in his money, right? ”

How would the kidnappers get this information? Kidnappings takes time and planning they study their subject and know his routine to determine the best attack. Short time visitors are not in the kidnappers sights. They know nothing of such visitors.

“Do you think he exaggerated for effect hoping to further his cause with the girls,”

That would be an excessive exaggeration one would not have to go that far to be successful. But we don’t verify who the man is. The point was this is what the girl knew him to be and he still got a no show.

“maybe you exaggerated just a little here just a bit to further your agency's reputation with respect to the caliber of your clients?”

I do not need to exaggerate we have an excellent track record of success as demonstrated in the wife we discovered for you.

Engage the Exotic - Latin Women
http://International-Introductions.com

[BAQman]

... in response to Re: Re: No Shows, posted by Jamie on May 23, 2005

"No one would use our high end services without trusting us. If they trust you they are going to give enough information for you to help them. If they don’t trust us they would not be paying us thousands of dollars."

I agree your rates are a bit on the high side, particularly with a track record including some very questionable service.  How is giving you information about his income level going to help him, exactly?  As for trust, he established a trusting relationship with you...enough so that he'd give you information that could easily make him a big target in what you yourself point out is a very dangerous place?

"How would the kidnappers get this information? Kidnappings takes time and planning they study their subject and know his routine to determine the best attack. Short time visitors are not in the kidnappers sights. They know nothing of such visitors."

If there's one thing that people in Barranquilla like to do, it's gossip(particularly about gringos).  You have a large staff there of young women...and we all know how women like to talk.    I'm not sure I agree with you about long-term vs. short-term visitor kidnappings...I've seen many articles about people who have been whisked away right after they arrive...didn't you say you're wife's relative experienced this?

"That would be an excessive exaggeration one would not have to go that far to be successful. But we don’t verify who the man is. The point was this is what the girl knew him to be and he still got a no show."

Maybe there was something unattractive about him, and he feels this kind of exaggeration will help him overcome it?  It's not hard to believe that someone who could be feeling some level of desperation in finding a relationship would go to this length.  It happens here in the US all the time.  

"I do not need to exaggerate we have an excellent track record of success as demonstrated in the wife we discovered for you."

Well...you did manage to get one suitable candidate for me...that's for sure(out of 40+).  Wouldn't you rather define your success by meeting your client's expectations for service?  Like you said, you charge them thousands of dollars...is going 1 for 40 and unsatisfied clients your idea of success?

By the way, the Reverend wrote some nice things about you, and it sounds like you did him right(over the course of a month).  How did the millionaire movie exec make out?

[Fuzzyone]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: No Shows, posted by BAQman on May 23, 2005

This is getting old dude take it someone else... If you hater jamie find write all
the e-mails you want but go some where else with this. Did you not get the hint
when WLC starting putting your post in the Shrill forum?

[BAQman]

... in response to Please someone ban this guy!!, posted by Fuzzyone on May 23, 2005

If it's getting old for you, feel free to skip over it.  I've only been on this board(posting) for a week now, and I've already learned that reading your posts is a complete waste of time.  If I don't feel compelled to read a 'fuzzy' post(ie a response to my own), I don't.  Take a lesson.  Another thing...asking mods to ban people on message boards because you have some sort of personal problem with them is pathetic.  Grow up.

[Fuzzyone]

... in response to Re: Please someone ban this guy!!, posted by BAQman on May 24, 2005

[This message has been edited by Fuzzyone]

n?t

[Jamie]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: No Shows, posted by BAQman on May 23, 2005

"How is giving you information about his income level going to help him, exactly?"

Many men let me know their status in order for me to understand their requirements.

"As for trust, he established a trusting relationship with you...enough so that he'd give you information that could easily make him a big target in what you yourself point out is a very dangerous place?"

If he trusted me what makes you think he would think he was making himself a target for doing so. There is danger and the men trust me to keep them out of danger.

"If there's one thing that people in Barranquilla like to do, it's gossip(particularly about gringos. You have a large staff there of young women...and we all know how women like to talk. "

I try to maintain a professional staff. Those that are found to compromise confidential information or lack good motivations in their duties are removed it is an ongoing process to keep the most helpful people I can find for my clients.

I'm not sure I agree with you about long-term vs. short-term visitor kidnappings...I've seen many articles about people who have been whisked away right after they arrive...didn't you say you're wife's relative experienced this?"

"I am not aware of any short term American visitors that were kidnapped in a city environment. Could you reference the article? If you go with the wrong people or to the wrong place you can run into trouble. With the right guide and support such problems are minimized."

"Maybe there was something unattractive about him, and he feels this kind of exaggeration will help him overcome it? It's not hard to believe that someone who could be feeling some level of desperation in finding a relationship would go to this length. It happens here in the US all the time. "

I do not believe people gain anything in the long run by lying, but it does happen.

"Well...you did manage to get one suitable candidate for me...that's for sure(out of 40+). Wouldn't you rather define your success by meeting your client's expectations for service?"

Yes and we normally exceed their expectations. When we don't we do what we can to make up for it and prevent it from happening again.

"Like you said, you charge them thousands of dollars...is going 1 for 40 and unsatisfied clients your idea of success?"

Yes, 1 for 1 or 1 for 100 is considered a success.

"By the way, the Reverend wrote some nice things about you, and it sounds like you did him right(over the course of a month)."

I believe it is a positive that some men can have extended stays to date the women they meet. You extended your own trip for such a purpose.

"How did the millionaire movie exec make out?"

It was an unusual custom service he wanted us to find someone not on the website and we could not find such a woman it was not successful. I would judge it as a dismal failure for the client. His rejections however are already become fiancés for other clients.

Engage the Exotic - Latin Women
http://International-Introductions.com

[BAQman]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: No Shows, posted by Jamie on May 23, 2005

"Many men let me know their status in order for me to understand their requirements."

Once again, how does their income level affect their "requirements" for a wife?  Doesn't make any sense.

"If he trusted me what makes you think he would think he was making himself a target for doing so. There is danger and the men trust me to keep them out of danger."

He doesn't know you, and he trusts you with his self-reported million dollar a year life in a place as dangerous as Colombia?  How do you keep anyone out of danger sitting behind a computer all day?  I mean, you don't even speak the language, correct?

"I try to maintain a professional staff. Those that are found to compromise confidential information or lack good motivations in their duties are removed it is an ongoing process to keep the most helpful people I can find for my clients."

I don't doubt this at all now.  I guess my point is that a staff of 9 young women tends to talk a lot...they don't exactly have security clearances, right?  The more money you have in Colombia, the bigger target you are...facts of life.  Would a man of his intelligence even risk it?

"I am not aware of any short term American visitors that were kidnapped in a city environment. Could you reference the article?"

Absolutely...I'll try to find it for you...in the meantime let's lok at what you posted just a couple of days ago...

"My wife’s sisters friend a Colombian visiting from Spain is believed to have taken a taxi from the Bogota airpot and was never seen again. I have had many women tell me or tell me of friends that have been robbed in taxis. I had one gringo who only bought addresses from me tell me he and his friend were robbed by an aiport taxi in BAQ. I believe all these incidences happened at night."

Definietly sounds safe enough for a multi-millionaire to
give sensitive financial information about himself to an agency owner he doesn't know.  

"Yes, 1 for 1 or 1 for 100 is considered a success."

I'm happy you defined exactly what success is for II.

"I believe it is a positive that some men can have extended stays to date the women they meet. You extended your own trip for such a purpose."

I did...solo.  

"... it was not successful. I would judge it as a dismal failure for the client"

Well, I, for one, am shocked.  LOL

[beenthere]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: No Shows, posted by Jamie on May 23, 2005

with all due respect BAQman & Jamie...your tit-for-tat, cut and paste is getting kind of old.  Where do you guys find time for all this??  Do you guys work??  
Maybe one of you guys will be man enough just to walk away from this non-sense...
maybe put all of this energy into studying spanish (sorry if that's a controversial subject), or better yet, take your fued private via personal e-mail.
Pablo and I had a great fued a few weeks ago, but none of you ever knew, because we kept it private...maybe you guys could do the same.

[pablo]

... in response to getting old, posted by beenthere on May 23, 2005


Indeed, the peace pipe was smoked between beenthere and me with very good Cubano, heap big wampum. With anonymous mask white man who speak with forked-tongue, much more difficult.

Hi-ho Silver, away!  ;-)