... in response to Jamie is wrong., posted by Heat on Apr 30, 2005It is not a right or wrong issue. You can say it is a better or worse but the person is not good or bad for going either route. Since you can’t understand this I will leave it that.
"Wow you are really an emotional type person huh?"
How is that? I had fun showing you as a closet Liberal in your thinking.
"Jamie be real. You know that you are a very basic level Spanish Speaker."
You were the one not being "real" you said, "HE can not speak Spanish." I am able to get around on my own I am a beginner and I never said anything contrary to this, but you did.
"What I can not understand is why after three years you are still speaking basic Spanish."
I did not start learning Spanish until a many months after moving to Colombia because as I indicated, I do not feel it necessary to speak Spanish in the U.S.
"You know I’m right."
Heat if it is right for you good, but it is not right for everyone.
"What I really can not understand is why you want to debate this issue. You lose every time."
I debate to exchange a different point of view. This is not a strong concern for me, but there is nothing wrong with me presenting the minority position on the board and letting others choose as they may. But you are not in that crowd you need to label someone as "wrong" for not doing and believing as you do.
"Now if you want to sell the idea that you can marry a women who you DO NOT KNOW then go right ahead."
I’m not selling that idea I emphasize communications as the key to understanding and building a good relationship but it does not have to be grounded in Spanish.
"If you can not understand the hopes, dreams and desires of someone how can you know them.? And when she comes 1000 plus miles to live in a strange land and culture she will be stressed out. So will you be there for here? To calm her? To understand her fears and needs.? No you will be grunting something in caveman talk. And she will be empty inside. That will surface later."
Heat you are assuming the woman is not learning English prior to going to "a strange land." The woman should be taking English lessons the moment you feel she could be the one so when she arrives she feels some comfort with the language and should continue her studies in the States.
"And when she enters the workforce and she is approached by "Jose" the Cuban with the nice new car and house who offers her the world what will she do? Will she stay with you who has never even tried to learn her language and culture or will she go with "Jose" who can talk to her ? Jose who listens to her every desires and need? The temptation will be to be with someone who is able to communicate with her.
You had better measure up or you might lose her."
Heat one must measure up regardless if you speak Spanish or not. I’ve never been afraid of losing any woman and it has never happened. If one does not have the confidence and qualities to keep what they have or want then they have other issues to work on or choices to make.
"Not learning Spanish is a time bomb. And it will effect your marriage. You will be on the outside of all social events and happenings. You kids may speak it and you do not. So your kids and your wife will be putting you on the outside. And that will really suck."
Heat are you lost? They are in the States. They speak English there. The children will be speaking English and the wife will be speaking English and the office Christmas party will be in English.
"Now let’s address the name calling."
You mean where you called me a "rookie" or where you say I do not speak Spanish, or the under sided insult about being ignorant. No I suspect you won’t talk about those inaccuracies I called you on.
"First off it’s a liberal thing to call names."
Heat you have a history of doing just that.
"It’s a liberal thing to be stuck in the past with a failed program. Which you are doing now."
Specify my failure? What program are you referring to? The one that says do what you think is best for you and your wife its a personal decision? You don’t like such freedoms Heat?
"And it’s also a liberal thing to never admit you are wrong,(Really this is just a person thing.)
True, so add this to the list of what makes you a Liberal.
"But if you want to call me a libertarian then that would be fine."
How do you get Libertarian out of Liberal? I showed how Mr. Conservative thinks like a Liberal.
"But a guy like you who is a rookie should be willing to admit he’s wrong."
Again back to the name calling you say you abhor. While I am constantly learning I don’t accept your designation and told you so in my last post but you prefer to continue.
"Should be willing to be a little humble and not come off as a know it all."
I expressed my opinion and my observations that does not make me a "know it all." I’m not gong to bow down to your inaccurate statements and false labels.
"After all YOU are running a business. And people will judge you by your honesty."
"We are primarily judged by meeting the customer’s requirements. Once can be honest and incompetent such honesty won’t get you far in business. That’s your business lesson for the day.
"And I would think also by your ability to reason and use logic. Your argument fails the logic test."
Logic you can’t distinguish a right or wrong topic from a situation that can have different answers for different people. I asked you to explain my fathers long successful marriage and you ignored answering this question (another Liberal trait you have), using your logic they are in the "wrong."
"And you are not being honest about the need to learn the language. You are telling your clients what they want to hear."
Most men will make such determinations on their own I am rarely asked about this. I don’t tell my "clients what they want to hear" another wrong assumption that has no basis of support, but of course that doesn’t stop you from throwing them out. I get the feeling if I told you I liked Pizza and you didn’t you would say I am wrong and not honest for saying I like Pizza.
"This is called marketing."
Its called Heat not understanding personal choice.
"School is over now Jamie……."
Thanks for the Liberal college advice. You failed to answer one question I asked nor did you apologize for your misstatements. Now how would you label such a person?
"And I want you to read basic business practices 101. The part about not digging a hole deeper and deeper."
You need to lay off the book of clichés 101. As a Liberal I’m sure it irks you to hear a counterview point. I don’t consider bringing up a different perspective as "digging a hole" nor am I in a hole because you disagree with me.
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