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Author Topic: No habla spanish  (Read 13240 times)
utopiacowboy
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« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: No habla spanish, posted by Craig on Feb 20, 2005

I do agree with you that sometimes a common language is not all it's cracked up to be. My ex-wife and I may as well have come from different solar systems and even when my Spanish was not that good, my current wife and I were always able to communicate. I would say that language is just a starting point. In my experience people tend to overstate the difficulties of "cultural differences" etc. Still, I wonder what kind of relationship is possible when two people cannot communicate at all. When my wife and I started, neither of us could speak the other's language but I quickly learned Spanish. I can't imagine not being able to share stories and experiences with her.
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Craig
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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Re: No habla spanish, posted by utopiacowboy on Feb 20, 2005

I agree with you that a basic knowledge of Spanish is essential.
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Pete E
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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to No habla spanish, posted by Nevergivingup on Feb 20, 2005

OK,I will get roasted again for this probabaly.I admit I am lazy and speak not very good but some spanish after living in Colombia 14 months.
When I met my ex wife over 5 years ago,she spoke some english.At the time my spanish was almost zero.So she was way ahead of me.And moving to the states she needed to learn english if she was ever going to work and studying english was her main effort for 2 years or so.
So her english was always way better than my spanish.SO,WHICH LANGUAGE ARE YOU GOING TO USE? The easiest one.English in our case english.If I learned more spanish were we going to speak it?No.Unless it got better than her english which was never going to happen.Think about it.She gets maybe 70% proficient in english  and you are 20 % proficient in spanish are you going to speak spanish? Not likely.
If I was FLUENT in spanish would it have helped the relationship? Probably.But its a rare person who will ever become fluent in a language of a country that he does not live in.
I have a number of friends who's wives spoke no english and they some  spanish,maybe 30-40% .They spoke spanish because the wifes english was much worse,just the opposite of my situation.In my opinion this hampered the wife learning english.Did it help the relationship?I doubt it.Communication was still poor.The wife might have felt a little less overwhelmed having to learn the language right away.But communication is limited to the best you can speak in either language.
NOW,don't misunderstand me.I think it is important to speak spanish in this endeavour.Not so much to surpass a wife who is way ahead of you in english.But its important when meeting a girl with almost no english,which is most of them.Its also important in being able to communicate with her family.Even after she learns english you will still have to try and communicate with them.
AND if a person,or a couple lives in Colombia its important for the guy to speak spanish.I know that.I am just lazy about it and one of the main reasons is I was insulated from it to an extent by a wife and novia who spoke more english than my spanish.It was a crutch,just like you speaking spanish is if your wife is in the states and needs to learn english.
One more thought.My marriage and alot of other relationships I have seen did not work because there was not love on the part of the latina.What looked like love was really desire for what was in it for them.Language will help that only to the extent of figuring out that is the situation and avoiding the relationship with the person.That is possible even if your spanish is,poor,just more difficult.BUT,when the relationship is really right you will know it.ANY doubt and you better be VERY carefull.
I have never seen a bad relationship without warning signs.
I myself had a very clever girl who fooled me to an extent.Alot of that deception was what she said.I should have been paying more attention to other non verbal signs.
AND,some guys are just very verbal.Its important for them to have long in depth conversations about everything with their girlfriend or wife.That type of guy needs a woman who speaks english or he  needs to speak spanish.Really good VERBAL communication is something that will come slowly for most guys in this endeavor.I would even say if it is that important for you this foriegn wife thing might be a bad idea for you.
Non verbal is much easier,and more important in my opinion.
I guess it comes down to do you want an emotionally responsive wife or an intellectual partner? You got a hard road here if its the second.
Yes there are all kinds of issues that need to be understood.A strong relationship will survive them.A weak relationship will buckle under them like the first snow storm in the  US.And guys will say it was the language.Or the weather.If you wife splits over the weather you didn't have much going for you.Same thing if you can't overcome language issues.

Pete

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MarkNJ
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« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: No habla spanish, posted by Pete E on Feb 20, 2005

I agree with you Pete in that there is more to communication than just the verbal and to the extent of which the verbal form of communication will be primary is dependent upon the two people who are involved in the relationship's communication process.   I myself am not fluent and this past year my Spanish has not improved much since I have put my search on finding that special woman on hold.   I can say that the two different women that I was in relationships with over the past few years spoke as much English as I know Spanish, very little.   What made the learning of Spanish a little more slower for me was that whenever I did write to these two women (not at the same time, two different relationships during different years)both women always wanted me to write in English so they could improve their understanding and whenever we spoke they always wanted me to speak in English and not for me to speak in Spanish.   I was always having to go out of my way to have them teach me the proper use of Spanish.  From my perspective if I had to concentrate my time in any one area I was going to spend more of my time helping out the woman I was with learn English because it will put her in a better situation living here than for me to spend the time on me learning Spanish.   Do not get me wrong, I do need to improve my Spanish so that not only will I be able to travel more freely in other countries but also for me to better be able to communicate with her family and friends.   Another key element that does lack when two people do not speak the same language fluently is the humor (jokes) which is going to be missed or non-existant.   I agree that for all of the men who are fluent in Spanish this process of finding someone special will be easier and your options are greater... you can freely travel to all of the little towns and surrounding areas and not need any assistance etc.  
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utopiacowboy
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« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: No habla spanish, posted by Pete E on Feb 20, 2005

I agree that language isn't everything but it is significant. Even though I would not describe myself as fluent, my wife speaks to me in Spanish as though she was speaking to anyone. She does not "dumb" it down at all. It does hamper her learning English but int he past few months I have been making an effort to talk to her in English. It will not be until she goes to work that she will really learn English. And this is after going to ESL classes for a year, 8 hours a week.
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Chris F
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« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to No habla spanish, posted by Nevergivingup on Feb 20, 2005

As far as I am concerned...you are asking for trouble if you do not learn at least a little Spanish before going to South America....a small percentage of the women you meet will know a little English...most will not.

For those who complain that "they dont have time" right now let me recommend the folling for now.     Pimsluer!!

Pimsluer is a listening language program and is one of the best on the market. It comes in three levels and each program is one month. I bought it for my fiancee to learn English and I have used the Spanish program two years ago. Without it.....I never would have been able to talk to my fiancee one year ago when I met her. I am far from fluent, but the program gave me the basic foundation to communicate with her....and its now helping her with her English since I bought her the English program.

The down side is the program is expensive. New...the program is about $225. for each level.   The good thing is that you can resell it used on sites such as Amazon when you are finished and get a large percentage of your money back. I bought the Spanish for 225 on Amazon.....and when I was finished.....sold it used on Amazon for 180.

Good Luck to All!!!!!!!!

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pablo
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« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: No habla spanish....better learn som..., posted by Chris F on Feb 20, 2005


Not too long ago another poster referred us to www.bearshare.com where you can obtain all the levels of ingles and espaņol lessons for free.
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Chris F
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« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Pimsleur for Free, posted by pablo on Feb 20, 2005

LOL!!!!  Dude that would be a he@% of a download considering you have over a total of 45 hours of material!!!!

Please try it...and report your results here later...

LOL!!

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pablo
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« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Pimsleur for Free...that is funn..., posted by Chris F on Feb 20, 2005


I downloaded sixty Spanish lessons (sets 1 & 2) while in Colombia using broadband.  I can't recall how long it took (a few hours) but I just started the download and did some other things.  I dunno about you but I'd rather have the little inconvenience of waiting on a download rather than shelling out $400-500 smackers.
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Chris F
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« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: No joke intended..., posted by pablo on Feb 20, 2005

I am glad you have had success with it. But if we going to be technical here...its not "free"...its illegal downloads from the internet.......stealing....

For those that dont mind that...great...for those that do mind ...you are not shelling out "400 to 500 smackers"....like I said.....once you are done with the program...you can sell it used and get a large majority of your money back....which I did.


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jediknight
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« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to No habla spanish, posted by Nevergivingup on Feb 20, 2005

i'd like to know if the guys learned any spanish after 6 months.
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JEMJCU1
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« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to No habla spanish, posted by Nevergivingup on Feb 20, 2005

You better learn some. I recommend you send her to English classes for a few months before she moves here as well. If you follow the "no hablo espanol" you are really making things difficult for her, her adjustment to her new country and your relationship. Life is difficult enough sometimes you are just asking for extra trouble
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Looking4Wife
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« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to No habla spanish, posted by Nevergivingup on Feb 20, 2005

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