Latinas held captive in Japan

[slojas1]

Make sure you ask your prospective novias about their past history, especially when it comes to traveling outside of the country.
The link below shows some of the things that can happen to these women while seeking a better life.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?section=Focus&oid=68640

Hopefully something can be done to eliminate this problem.

[Heat]

... in response to Latinas held captive in Japan, posted by slojas1 on Feb 17, 2005

First let me say P4p is any women right.  These women know what they are doing.  As far as all the Sex-trade slave stuff.  Sounds like Bullshit and hype to me.

I have met girls that have made a ton of money in Japan working as hookers.  I think it more fem-i-nazi claptrap with some dude trying to seel his story by hyping the crime angle.  

[Ray]

... in response to I don't buy it., posted by Heat on Feb 17, 2005

I agree. All this talk of “trafficking” and “slavery” is simply 99% bullshit.

These stories all seem to have the same theme. Poor innocent young girl tricked into the “sex-slave” industry. But when you actually read the story carefully, you get the TRUE picture. The poor victim portrayed in the story left Japan because she was “deported”, not because she escaped from her supposed captors. Then what does she do when she has safely made it back home? Why, she immediately returns to Japan to suffer more indignities at the hands of her captors of course. LOL!

What a crock of shit!

Ray

[soltero]

... in response to I don't buy it either, posted by Ray on Feb 17, 2005

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Don't discount the nature of the beast. Whatever foulness can be done to another, you can be sure someone has figured out a way to do it. The industry does exist and there are women being taken advantage of. They may think that they are smarter and more worldly than they actually are going in, but I am sure that they find out how mistaken they were after they dealt with the truly evil people that they eventually encountered. I am not saying by any means that these women are innocent, but I know that they are not prepared for the situations that they end up in.

[Ray]

... in response to Re: I don't buy it either, posted by soltero on Feb 17, 2005

Yes, I agree that there certainly are women being taken advantage of.

But I think you missed my point. When a woman has been through it, returns home, and then voluntarily goes back again, she knows EXACTLY what she is getting into. This is what the girl in the story did, is it not?

These “sex slave” stories are mostly just a bunch of feminist propaganda and not worthy of losing any sleep over IMHO.

Ray

[slojas1]

... in response to Re: I don't buy it either, posted by soltero on Feb 17, 2005

That is a good point Soltero, they are surely not prepared for what may follow one they get themselves into it. I brought the article up only as info to the guys and food for thought. Check your girls frequent flyer miles is my point. I don't think anyone searching would want to end up with someone that happened to have been in such a situation.

[Gary Bala]

... in response to Re: Re: I don't buy it either, posted by slojas1 on Feb 17, 2005

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Although some in the media and perhaps independent
feminist writers may want to overplay it, the fact remains
that there is a emigration flow of Colombianas to places
such as Japan, Spain and elsewhere for illicit purposes.

It is probaby a good thing, as reported in the recent article
cited here, that Japan is looking into a new law to help restrict
and otherwise address this issue.

Here is a report written in 1999 by a lady writer about the problem:
http://www.december18.net/paper30ColombiaJapan.pdf

A case could be made that a certain percentage of these
women know what they getting into, and continue to
know what they are getting into (even after they are into it),
and that this is strictly an exercise in mutual consent,
i.e. willing payers and willing sellers, etc. and that this is
all "much ado (morally) about nothing", a raucous coming
from "Femi-Nazis".

I think that this is too simple an analysis, and the problem
is more complicated. Many of the sponsors who sign up
these women know no scruples, and blantantly violate
consumer laws and falsely pose as marriage brokers,
school recruiters, etc., and often charge the sign-ups
an exorbatant  "recruitment fee" which the ladies need
to work to pay back. Some of these ladies actually do
not know the scope of what they might be getting into,
as suggested here, and often they do not have the benefit
of local labor and safety laws and authorities to help them
in their host countries where they have no legal status.
Moreover, this type of activity is widely known to
breed other undesirable activity such as crime, use
or sale of drugs and narcotics, and potential violence.

Needless to say, this problem also complicates legitimate
flow of legal immigration. U.S. visas are not issued by
Consulates to persons with a "known reputation for
ill-repute" activity.

It is certainly a good suggestion to know about the
past visa and immigration history of any lady, because
the Consulate will certainly ask her and want to know
about it before they issue a visa.

I had one case where the lady from Cali traveled to Japan
(via Spain). She entered into Japan with a "fake" visa
manufactured in Spain. She lived in Japan for 24 months
and claimed that she had worked as a domestic babysitter,
but was suspected to be working  as an "entertainer".
She eventually decided she wanted out and quit, and was
later deported by Japan, and she returned to Cali and
to a normal life.

She then meets and marries a US citizen, who asked
us to secure a K-3 spousal visa for her through the
Consulate in Bogota. Needless to say, because of her
past visa history, it was not one of our "easier" cases,
but I can tell you that we were eventually successful
and the couple is now living happily in one of the
western states of the US.

Regards.

[Michael B]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: I don't buy it either (Long)..., posted by Gary Bala on Feb 18, 2005

Last week my step daughter (who lives in Cali) told my wife that somebody was offering her a 'great opportunity' to go to Spain as an 'international exchange student'....her mother's reaction? 'Have you gone berserk? Not no, but HELL no!'--specifically for the reasons you cited. I’m sure that some of the feminists do exaggerate, but I have no doubt that it is an actual (and serious) problem.

[OkieMan]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: I don't buy it either (L..., posted by Michael B on Feb 19, 2005

Hey MichaelB,
How's it going? I understand you and your wife's concerns.  However, it might be a legitimate offer.  But, one of the questions I would want answered is who is actually sponsoring the deal?  One of my sisters and her husband opened their home to a foreign exchange student, back in 1999.  The student was a girl from Iceland.  My sister and brother-in-law have been well established in the city we live in,(Bixby, near Tulsa), and they got their name on a list with the people that headed up that program for this local area. I saw the foreign exchange student several times.  At that time, my brother-in-law was a VP with a large company, and he made a large income; so there was no financial hardship in helping the student.  But, unfortunately, the girl had the personality of a wet mop!
My sister told me that the program itself is very good, but they had just wished the student had a better attitude.  For some reason, there was several foreign exchange students in our schools that year.  Maybe there is now also, but all of our kids are grown, and I don't stay up on that program anymore.  Well, at least I thought that I would mention this to you.  You are probably aware of this program anyhow.  I don't know if your step-daughter would be interested in coming to the States with this type of program, but at least I just thought that I would mention it.  Best of luck.

                                   OkieMan

[Michael B]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I don't buy it eithe..., posted by OkieMan on Feb 19, 2005

Thanks, Okie. Yes, I'm aware of legitimite exchange student programs, the family of a guy I went to college with had hosted a Mexican H.S. student one year(I could tell a long story here, but perhaps another time). As far as getting my step daughters (plural) into the US on student visas, we've already tried. They were both accepted to an INS approved college here, but the embassy in Botoga refused to give them visas because of 'no family nor ecconomic ties in Colombia that would ensure they will leave the US when the term of the visa expires' or words to that effect.

[OkieMan]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I don't buy it e..., posted by Michael B on Feb 19, 2005

Tell the INS that the girls are studying to be brain surgeons or something. Maybe the INS and the IRS could both drool over all the tax money they could make.  If not, I am sure a few choice bribes would do the trick. ha Just kidding!  By the way, how old are the girls?  Best of luck.

                          OkieMan