Citizenship quiz for your RW

[wilmc]

... in response to ACLU, posted by Lynn on Jul 11, 2003

You may misjudge the ACLU.   Their goal is to protect our civil rights, even when you and they may not agree with how we exercise those rights.

They have fought to protect the civil rights of gun owners whose 2nd amendment rights have been violated by the ATF.

[Lynn]

... in response to Re: ACLU, posted by wilmc on Jul 12, 2003

I agree with you in their performance on "some" things. But there other issues that they have so far cowered from---like the right guaranteed under Article I "To petition the Government for a redress of grievances"  Why haven't you heard about it, deliberate media blackout. How do I know, I was there.

[wilmc]

... in response to Re: Re: ACLU, posted by Lynn on Jul 12, 2003

I did not mean to imply that they are perfect. What org. is?  I only meant to express that the ACLU goal to defend the Bill of Rights and their slogan "Keep America Safe AND Free" are commendable.

It may be worth the consideration of this forum to note that one of the key issues that they list on their web page is "immigrant rights."

It may be difficult for you to imagine but it is entirely possible that any one of us could find ourselves seeking the help of the ACLU.  Imagine if your immigrant spouse were "fingered" by a "confidential informer" who is just picking names out of the blue to earn points with the authorities.  Where will you turn when the boat is sailing for Guantanamo. It has happened here.

I am neither a member or their advocate.  

I am often offended by the organizations, issues, and individuals they defend. Usually though when my emotions have cooled and I reflect upon the core issue, our rights. I find that I am grateful for the ACLU.  They do the thankless, messy, job of defending the unpopular to protect the rights of us all.  They ask the tough questions.
 
When their actions offend both the right and the left they must be doing something right.

[Lynn]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: ACLU, posted by wilmc on Jul 12, 2003

For the life of me, I do not understand, if their intent is real, why they backed away from that fight. The support was there, the petitions were in place (hand delivered no less) with "all" of congress and the senate as well as executive. Could have been a "major" victory for all.

[wilmc]

... in response to Agreed on all points.......but, posted by Lynn on Jul 12, 2003

I can imagine how frustrating it was and continues to be.

14 years ago my ex-wife and a small group of fellow concerned citizens fought to prevent a garbage incinerator from being constructed in our community.  It was a terribly difficult fight and at times I was afraid for the safety of our family.  We were successful.  I still have tremendous respect for my ex., for her courage and leadership.  Interestingly, the inceinerator that was operational on Long Island and was the model for the proposed one in our community was shut down a few years ago because it was found to be a gross polluter.

Lesson, keep fighting.
 
All I can say is that it is an imperfect world but all we can do is to strive continuously to improve it.   I do not in my wildest "bleeding heart liberal" thoughts believe that the ACLU is perfect.  It is made up of individuals like you and me with a variety of biases.  In their defence their resouces are limited and they must prioritize.  In your case they probably missed the boat.  I do believe that for the most part they try to do the right thing.  I am enough of a realist though, to know that some times they select a case that they believe is winnable over one that has low odds for success, or one that will garner a high level of publicity over one that the press will ignore.  They must get donations to survive, after all.

[BURKE89]

... in response to Re: ACLU, posted by wilmc on Jul 12, 2003

speaks.

Wait a minute, I thought you were a Christi...

I'm sorry, I must have confused you with someone else.

[LP]

... in response to Citizenship quiz for your RW, posted by Cold Warrior on Jul 10, 2003

[This message has been edited by LP]

1) B...should be C but soon 13 won't be enough.

2) D...All the ones who hated us then. Today that would
be pretty much everyone.

3) B...it sure ain't A, thats for sure! Seriously, it's The Press

4) A...Dan's already runnin the country. No, I'm kiddin...
Alexander Haig will be "in charge".

5) Can't answer....I'm not allowed to exercise my 4th
amendment rights without risking consequences.

6) D...but everyone is afraid of Ashcroft and Homeland Security
to say it today. (oops, my mistake...see answer 5 above.)

7) A...guy with enough political correctness to have a national
holdiay named after him. The only other persons to ever have
this honor were presidents.

B...or is it Dubya...no wait, he's the Mother (or something like that.)

9) None of the above...we're all still enslaved.

10) Way too many, read the last one enacted for the best example.

[Cold Warrior]

... in response to Re: Citizenship quiz for your RW, posted by LP on Jul 10, 2003

and repeat after me.........

( these are real questions from the INS )