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Author Topic: Question on the K3 Visa instead of going K1.  (Read 11207 times)
MNKenr
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« on: December 17, 2001, 05:00:00 AM »

I am looking up information about the K1 process to get a better inderstanding of what is involved. As I understand it, if an American Citizen is engaged to be married, he/she can bring the finace over to the states for a wedding via a K1 visa. The purpose of this visa is to allow the coupld to be married within the US. If they are married abroad a different process is needed to allow the spouse to live in the US.

However I read this off the INS website. It seems the INS is now allowing a spouse into the US, while the paperwork is being approved for the spous'es citizenship. I am not sure I understand what the INS is saying, but it seems to me they just opened up a friendly process to allow a couple that married abroad ti live in the US while the paperwork is being approved. Here is the information from the INS site.
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August 14, 2001 (Rev.)

INS Implements the “K” Nonimmigrant Visa Provision of the LIFE Act

WASHINGTON –– To reduce the separations immediate family members of U.S. citizens may experience while waiting abroad for an immigrant visa, the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) is implementing a new K nonimmigrant visa provision, which was published as an interim rule in today’s Federal Register.  

The rule expands the K visa status, currently available to fiancé(e)s of U.S. citizens, to include the spouse of a U.S. citizen, who is waiting abroad for an immigrant visa, and the spouse’s children.  This will allow them to enter the United States as nonimmigrants, re-unite with their family here, and then apply for immigrant status while in the country.  It is one of several immigration benefit provisions created by the Legal Immigration Family Equity Act (LIFE Act) enacted last December.

Under this new nonimmigrant visa classification, spouses of U.S. citizens may be granted K-3 nonimmigrant status, and the spouse’s unmarried children (under 21 years of age) may be granted K-4 nonimmigrant status.  Obtaining a K-3/4 visa is not required, however.  Spouses of U.S. citizens and their children may skip applying for a K visa and directly obtain their immigrant visa abroad from the Department of State.

For those who wish to take advantage of this new provision, to be eligible for a K-3 nonimmigrant visa, an applicant MUST:

Be the spouse of a U.S. citizen;
Have a Form I-130 (Petition for Alien Relative) filed on his/her behalf by his/her U.S. citizen spouse, that is pending;
Have a Form I-129F (Petition for Alien Fiancé(e)) completed and submitted on his/her behalf by his/her U.S. citizen spouse to:


U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service
P.O. Box 7218
Chicago, IL 60680-7218

(Note: The INS must approve the Form I-129F before the beneficiary becomes eligible to apply for the K Visa from the U.S. consulate abroad.); and
Submit a completed Form I-693 (Medical Examination) when he/she appears at the consulate to apply for the K-3 visa from the Department of State.
To be eligible for a K-4 nonimmigrant visa, an applicant does not need a separate Form I-130 or a Form I-129F filed on his/her behalf.  The K-4 applicant MUST:

Be an unmarried child (under 21 years of age) of a K-3 visa applicant or holder;
Submit a completed Form I-693 (Medical Examination) when he/she appears at the consulate to apply for the K-4 visa.
Applying for Immigrant Status
The K-3/4 nonimmigrant classification does not provide immigrant status.  To obtain immigrant status --once in the United States -- a K-3 nonimmigrant must file a Form I-485 (Application for Adjustment to Permanent Residence).  A K-4 nonimmigrant must have a Form I-130 filed on his/her behalf by his/her U.S. citizen parent/stepparent and must file a Form I-485.  K-3/4 nonimmigrants will become lawful permanent residents and receive their Green Card when both the Form I-130 petition and their Form I-485 application have been approved.

K-3/4 non-immigrants may elect to apply for an immigrant visa instead of adjustment of status and may wait in the United States until they must appear at the consulate for their visa interview.

Employment Authorization
K-3/4 nonimmigrants may also apply for authorization to work in the United States while they wait for their immigrant status.  To do so, they must submit a completed Form I-765 (Application for Employment Authorization) along with the $100 application fee to the INS post office box (P.O. Box) address specified above for filing the Form I-129F.

Additional information and application forms regarding the K visa and other LIFE Act benefits are available on the INS Web site www.ins.gov (forms can be downloaded from the site), or by calling the INS toll-free customer telephone service: 1-800-375-5283.

Application procedures are explained in the Federal Register notice.

-- INS --


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If this is how I understand it, it means that a person could get married overseas, and move into the US right away to avoid the delay in back log of paperwork. Could this be used as a quicker procedure to get your loved one into the US? Do you think this will take less time than the K-1 visa. Is the K-1 visa still the way to go?

Does anyone have any expierence with the K3 visa since August 12th?

When and if I decide to marry someone from FSU, this might be a more attractive option for me. Meet and be married over there, then come here and live with your wife as you wait for the paperwork to be approved.

Any comments?

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Dan
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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2001, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Question on the K3 Visa instead of going..., posted by MNKenr on Dec 17, 2001

Particularly if you are talking about Ukraine.

DCF should only take about 30 days from date of marriage till she is in the country +- 2 weeks.

K-3 *if* it works as hyped, will be just about the same as a K-1, so you are looking at about 12 - 16 weeks (and depends on the INS Service Center - Vermont is fastest for K-1). Problem with the K-3 is it is so new, no-one has any real experience with it. Biggest advantage of hte K-3 over DCF and K-1 **in Ukraine** is the processing MUST be conducted by the US Embassy in Ukraine - NOT passed over to Warsaw. Having said that, Warsaw seems on of the most responsive Embassies, so I don't know if it will really translate into an advantage or not.

Yes, it is true that DCF and K-3 BOTH require you to marry in Ukraine - AND - if you follow the rules, you must be in residence for 30 days prior to the marriage. However, it is simple enough to find a malleable ZAGS office that will provide you the necessary paperwork to expedite the process in a matter of days.

For whomever it was that was thinking about DCF *after* filing with the TSC - that is a can of worms. I think you are along for the ride at this stage. Any attempt to expedite matters will have the distinct possibility of blowing up on you.

For all - there is a link over on the left side of the main page that is entitled "Immigration". Study the websites it will link you to - particulary Doc Steen's and Jay Leno's. They will be worth your time.

- Dan

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Stevo
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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2001, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Question on the K3 Visa instead of going..., posted by MNKenr on Dec 17, 2001

Contrary to what you may believe, it is not difficult to get married abroad and then bring your wife over.  The trick is that you must be in the country for 30 days (or so)after you get married and then you do a direct consular filing at the embassy.  Advantage?  You don't have to wait very long compared with a K1 AND your wife gets her green card on the spot, so no AOS filing later.  The K3 seems to be designed to solve the problem where an AM gets married abroad and then returns to the USA without a DCF and without his bride.  Now he would have to petition for an alien relative (I-130 spouse) which does take a long time.  The K3 would allow spouse to come over before the paperwork is approved, but note that it still has to be filed beforehand.

Therefore, the K-1 or DCF is the preferred approach, unless you already made the mistake of getting married abroad and not doing a DCF.

Stevo

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LTB
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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2001, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Question on the K3 Visa instead of g..., posted by Stevo on Dec 17, 2001

Stevo,

Could you please clarify for me, does this apply to the Ukraine/Warsaw process? And if one marries in Ukraine, after the 30 days, does the DCF happen in Ukraine, or Poland. Do you have a URL for DCF info? I would love to find another way around the TSC. And I'm ready to camp out in Ukraine for a month or two...

Thanks...

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Jeff S
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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2001, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Question on the K3 Visa instead of going..., posted by MNKenr on Dec 17, 2001

Two guys over on the Asian board are going through K3 Visas. They've both been married for nearly a year and still haven't been able to bring their wives in. It's taking them longer than K1 (Fiance) visas. They're Bear and Taliman if you want to read some of their posts in the past few months. Not too encouraging, though.
-- Jeff S.
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hockeybrain
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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2001, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Question on the K3 Visa instead of going..., posted by MNKenr on Dec 17, 2001

It sounds good, but it also is dangerous for the American man.  You loose the protection the K1 visa provides you.
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MNKenr
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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2001, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Question on the K3 Visa instead of g..., posted by hockeybrain on Dec 17, 2001

Hence why I am asking. Just curious of the differences of these two procedures. As I understood, if two people were married abroad, it was a very lengthly process to get the spouse into the US, and that going K1 was the 'easier' way. It seems now that the K3 is just as easy, and I was curious of the pros and cons of each procedure.

You mentioned you are giving up the 'protection' of the K1. Do you mean, if things do not work out, you will end up with more responsibility and legal liability going the K3 route? If things go sour how is it easier to recover from a K1 instead of from a K3? I do not totally understand what 'protection' you have with the K1.

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hockeybrain
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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2001, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Question on the K3 Visa instead ..., posted by MNKenr on Dec 17, 2001

I am not a lawyer.  From the way I understand the process, the K1 gives you time and an out.  You get time to do a prenuptual agreement.  You have time to see if your life is right for each other.  You have time to see if she can handle a transition to our society.  She may be going from a cold city environment to a rural South or Southwest and can not handle the temperature, desolate environment etc.  She may miss her family and friends tremendously etc.  With a K1 you have time to get out unscathed - once you are married the vultures (divorce lawyers) may descend and really make your life miserable.
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Mike
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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2001, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Question on the K3 Visa inst..., posted by hockeybrain on Dec 17, 2001

I'm not a lawyer either, but I think somewhere I read that a prenuptual agreement wont hold up unless you can prove without question she understood everything prior to signing it, and sense she is from another country she can say she was fooled by you into signing it. ?? Anyway I too would never recommend getting married untill you know she is truely in love with you, AND she likes where you live and any other things that may come as a shock to her. My cousin brought a lady here from Ukrain and after one week she wanted to go home ! This is after he thought she loved him. Her reason for wanting to go home had nothing to do with him, it was how she felt uncomfortable in this new environment. As hard as he tried to explain the life he lived and the city he lived in she could not understand until she got here. A k-1 may seem like an event that will never have a light at the end of the tunnel, but before you know it you will be through with the long process, and another added bonus is you have more time to be truely prepared for her arrival. She will have a huge adjustment to make and some things could become exspensive, she may want English lessons, driving lessons, you may need to buy her a car, she may not feel comfortable enough to join the work force for months or years ??

Best regards
Mike

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