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I have been thoroughly entertained by some of the personalities that surfaced in the past week or two. A bible quoting psycho(logist) that finds acceptable circumstances to batter a woman and two gunslingers/superheroes.  Wow, I'm impressed!
To the guys that are serious, stay focused on the mission and find value where it exists in these posts. For the most part you will have no problem identifying caca when it is written.
I have not laughed this hard in a long time.

... in response to Spirited week on PL, posted by slojas1 on Feb 2, 2005

Say what you mean dude.

... in response to Slojas..where are your cajones?, posted by Heat on Feb 3, 2005

Just speaking in general about the one guy that wanted a gun or a permit to buy and the other one commenting about taking the gun from the thief who shot and robbed the gringo at a soccer match. I think his comments were 'he better shot me in 1 sec or I'll kill him'. I can feel his passion and rage, but this taking the gun is pushing the boundary. Yes it is possible, but the odds are against you. Coming from a military family where my brothers (3)have served and my Dad giving his life, if one of us pull a weapon, trust me only Superman would be able to stop what came next. Obviously, Superman posted last week and I had to recognize his contribution.

... in response to Re: Slojas..where are your cajones?, posted by slojas1 on Feb 3, 2005

I respect your family and you for serving.  thanks for clearing that up.

... in response to Spirited week on PL, posted by slojas1 on Feb 2, 2005

Who do you mean?  Let's see if you can be clear about your meaning.

... in response to and two gunslingers/superheroes?????, posted by Heat on Feb 2, 2005

How is the teeth.Hope you feel better.See you soon mike.....

... in response to Re:heat, posted by CHITOWNMIKE on Feb 3, 2005

Thaks amigo!  We are awaiting you with hot women!!!!!

... in response to Re: Re:heat, posted by Heat on Feb 3, 2005

LEAVE ME ONE OR TWO,PLEASE......M.C

... in response to Spirited week on PL, posted by slojas1 on Feb 2, 2005

I don't know who the gunslingers are but I  am amazed at our new christian talaban. I suppose they want the islamic "I divorce thee" rule as well. It is obvious to me that they are not capable of accepting a woman as having the same rights and intelligence as they enjoy, but expect that they should be the ultimate decision  maker in how life with them should progress.

    I am usually irritated by those who perceive women as furniture ( marrying them without being able to communicate with them), But using the bible to justify tyranny in a relationship is beyond my belief. In  my limited education I have found persons who use violence to control the women in their life are basically insecure and have limited conversational skills. When such men are frustrated with rational thinking they strike out rather than admit they are wrong.

   I am thinking of creating an agency in the mountains of Colombia where these guys can find caves to live in or possibly a brazilian branch in the jungle where the women are acostomed to this attitude. I am sure that any girl that has an education when told the truth about the beliefs of these men would disappear immediately. Of course these guys wouldn't lie, It is a sin right.  jimc

PS Talk about a benevolent dictatorship.

... in response to Re: Spirited week on PL, posted by jim c on Feb 2, 2005

I'm stealing this line.

... in response to christian talaban..., posted by Heat on Feb 3, 2005


It's called "resource reallocation" or "administrative procurment".

... in response to Re: Spirited week on PL, posted by jim c on Feb 2, 2005


you know who....lol

... in response to Obey, submissive, biblical quoting, remi..., posted by Hoda on Feb 3, 2005

No, please don't say that even jokingly!! :-)
There was a Neal from LWL a couple of years ago, there is a similarity in style and logic (or lack of) with this one. So it could be him.

... in response to Re: Obey, submissive, biblical quoting, ..., posted by slojas1 on Feb 3, 2005


I kept saying to myself.....where have I heard this rap before? You hit it right on the head, good catch, Bro!

... in response to Re: Spirited week on PL, posted by jim c on Feb 2, 2005

This is not directly to you directly, but just a general statement.

Well if you worked in the mideast, you would find the middleclass women are treated no different than western middleclass women are treated here, and are happy. Their koran says the man is the final decision maker in the family, no different than the bible saying the man is the final decision decision maker in the family here.  
the main difference being the men and women there, still observe the rules and teachings of their religion, whereas the only teachings we observe in this country, is political correctness.

Most of the men on this website (except for the few who go down there to bring back a trophy to show off) go to a foreign, colombian, etc. to find a woman with the same values women here had in our own country 50 years ago. The values that say the mean is the final decision maker of the family.

There are people who seem to want their cake and eat it too, and defending the equality of women to men in every facet in life. the same as you suggest, but like you, also seem not to practice what they preach.  If you really believed in what you are expounding, then why are not they, or in your case you, not married to the average american liberated woman of today, and have her in colombia with you now?  Or is it that you, or any other reasonable man, has the intelligence to know very well, an american man has an endless supply of colombian women at their disposal with no equality strings attached.

Most men in general tend to lose their rational thinking in trying to deal with any woman.  However, most men will also walk away first (except for the wusses or girlie men that need a woman to tell them what to do in life) rather than lowering themselves to the same emotional level of battle, (which is a woman's favorite weapon of choice).

Yes many men do become violent in these situations, because they are not emotionaly strong enough to walk away.  But then are they really any different in life, than a man whom brags about beating up every man whom while happening to be walking by, cracks a smile at their colombian trophy wife.
ws  

... in response to Re: Re: Spirited week on PL, posted by WS244 on Feb 2, 2005

Well ws

   I find an extremely large hole in your logic.Although I cannot blame you for your misinterpertation of the ethics and morals of the latin woman.This fantasy has been fed into the minds of the gringos by the agencies that hope to profit from this sales pitch. The same morals of 50 years ago BULL. I have been coming here for five years and find Latin women no more loyal or chaste than american women. They just know  better ways to get what they want. They screw around just as much as their men and are just about as honest. Although I often disagreed with Larry G on LWL, his economic theory holds pretty true. Just try and get a date with an upper class Colombian lady that is  younger than you are, good luck.

    Where do you think all these illegitimate kids come from ? What is a green card lady all about? Gringoes here are like a short, fat, bald guy in Las Vegas smoking a cigar and lighting it with hundred dollar bills.There are those who will find him desirable. I have met severable women who I find interesting here but unfortunately they are few and far between. I am not interested in a beautiful young girl that cannot communicate with  me at an intelligent level. I have read to many horror stories here about letting your latin wife go to the disco because you are too tired and then suspecting she may be doing a younger guy. The one thing I have learned is that guys looking for pu--y wont listen to anything you tell them. Soooooooooo guys believe what you want to believe.The bible told me so!! JIMC

PS If there are no equality strings why are so many latinas divorcing Gringoes?

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Spirited week on PL, posted by jim c on Feb 2, 2005

The same morals as 50 years ago, in the sense that the american woman knew her place in the family unit, and the man was head of the family.  

Today there are still many colombian girls brought up in a culture that respects the above fact.  There is no bull in that.  

Agencies are agencies, no different than cruise lines, used car salesmaen, and a sales pitch is a sales pitch.  One gets what one pays for, and if one is stupid, then one pays more for less. They may be able to legislate political correctness in the U.S. but they can not legislate out peoples stupidity.

If a man expects to associate with a certain class colombian lady, or any lady for that matter, then that individual is expected to act with the same mannerisms and behavior as that class.  In many cases, yes money is important, but more often than not a jerk is a jerk, and women by nature are much more adept at picking out jerks, then men are picking out worthless women.

There are many available women in colombia of all classes looking for a good man.  If there is a problem meeting women of certain class or mannerisms in Cartegena, then I suggest one might go to Bogota, for there are many available there, and many could care less about age, as long as the age difference is not too great.

Yes many latinas are divorcing gringoes in the U.S., but in many cases only because their purpose to begin with was  for a one way ticket.  I would suggest one would not find many gringos married to colombianas living in colombia divorced though.

ws      

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Spirited week on PL, posted by WS244 on Feb 2, 2005

DEAR YEA BUT

YOU CAN LEAD A HORSE TO WATER.

I rest my case. JIMC  

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Spirited week on PL, posted by jim c on Feb 3, 2005

My focus on your original post was about your basic statement of "good luck meeting a girl of class".
Most of the colombians familys with class are of direct spanish blood, (fair skin, in many cases with blonde hair, green eyes, etc.)and not mestizos, mulatos, zambos, etc.
Spanish blood is a minority in Cartegena, and not the place to find spanish girls, and generally along the coastal cities of colombia as well.
In the interior, particularly in bogota, there is a much greater spanish population, hence as a rule, a better educated, and class of people.  Many people had made statements that the women in bogota are better educated and more reserved, which equates to a better class, just as many others said the really pretty ones are in cali, etc.  
So though it is not politically correct, if one wants a mexican, go to mexicali, if one wants more of an an opportunity to meet a spanish girl, then go to mexico city.
Just being from a family with class does not mean that person is better than others, just as being from a lower class family, does not mean that person is less of a person in life.
In the states one can either go to a dance hall, or to a black tie function, and as a rule come out with very different results. In the former one wears levi's, and the other a tux. There is a difference, but unfortuneately many people do not not understand the fork is on the left side of the plate, and the napkin goes on the lap.
ws  

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Spirited week on..., posted by WS244 on Feb 3, 2005

Actually I said upper class and don't kid yourself wssssss there are distinct class lines here and the last name is important, You keep harping on Cartagena, I spoke about Colombia in general having maintained an apt in Cali for four years. And.........While I am at it, I don't think any of us here needs a sophmoric lesson in: the clothes don't make the person and where you go will give different results.
   I will also comment on what Michael Mc Donald sings, "What a fool believes.... He see's and a wise man has a problem to reason away,what a fool believes".  I have met a lot of fools in Colombia and I doubt that a lot of veterans here will disagree when I say that most gringos bit by the latina fantasy will totally disregard common sense and  rationalize ( for centuries) the facts to defend his dream of the "VIRGIN MARIA". I speak from experience.
   Fortunately, after returning home, the smitten one usually after reducing the costs to a bottom line decides that frugality is the better part of Valor. Please drink from the magic well of knowlege "THE ARCHIVES"  Learning from others opinions based on their experience is a great way to avoid diappointment and is not really heresy. jimc

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Spirited wee..., posted by jim c on Feb 3, 2005

You indicated it was impossible to meet a younger Colombian girl of class. I mentioned in response to your original post, most of the the middle, or "upper class colombians as you indicated", are mainly of direct spanish heritage, were predominantly in the interior of the country, and small in number in Cartagena where you are, or along the coastal regions.  My point simply, was one would have a better chance of meeting women of class in the interior, as there are more of them in number, particularly in Bogota.  
Your comment of "distinct class lines and last name" and "a lot of fools in Colombia" is applicable in any country, more visible in the latin culture, and applicable to my original and current post response. Your other comments in your last post are applicable to something else I have no response for.
ws

... in response to Re: Re: Spirited week on PL, posted by WS244 on Feb 2, 2005

For all the talk of going south to seek awoman with a different attitude I think we primarily go seek seek a woman with a different body.Younger,more attractive.There were women in the US I could have had with good attitudes.I just couldn't accept what they looked like.
BUT,the femininity and attitude of a Colombiana is usually a plus also.Its true they look to the man for support,because thats reality down here,they are not likely to do too good on their own.And being in this role the man does get more off a say in things like finances.
And,about bodies,I just saw an increible one at Chipi Chapi.This woman  had been totally augmented,but to an extreme.Huge boobs,smallish stomach and huge butt,even too big for a buttman like me. I told my Colombian friend looks like overkill to me.The Colombianas with us understood too.I have never seen anything like her in the US.The feminine look is carried to extreme with medical modification.

Pete

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Spirited week on PL, posted by Pete E on Feb 2, 2005

[This message has been edited by doombug]

Buttock implants--"butt plants"--are some of the most whacked new trends in body sculpting.  Imagine these women when they're 65 years old!  

There are, of course, downsides (and the lawsuits that accompany them):

"A woman who yearned to have a bottom as luscious and rounded as the rear end of pop star Jennifer Lopez has found her dreams blasted to smithereens -- after her butt implants exploded!"

"And she [Candy Jones-Davies, 22--the 'implantee'] says a surgical nurse has agreed to testify in her attempt to collect $17.5 million for medical expenses, lost future wages and emotional pain and suffering."

"Jones-Davies, a receptionist from Pretoria, South Africa, says that before the butt blast, she was on the verge of signing a modeling contract with the talent agency where she works."

http://entertainment.tv.yahoo.com/entnews/wwn/20040413/108186840004.html

They'd make a great Christmas present for a wife or novia!

"The national average of 2003 surgeon fees for butt implants was $3,681 (Source: The American Society of Aesthetic Plastic Surgery). These fees do not include anesthesia, operating room facility, hospital stay and other related expenses."

http://www.ienhance.com/procedure/description.asp?ProcID=152&BodyID=5&specialtyID=1#13

I know, it's a little pricey.  But we can compromise.  Just tell your lady that you'll finance one butt cheek this Christmas, and the other butt cheek next Christmas.

Peace out!

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Spirited week on PL, posted by Pete E on Feb 2, 2005

...we go south to find rettier, younger womenhere is no major difference in attitude or values.  LA illegitimacy rates exceed the US, women screw around as much as the men do and women have learned that their sexuality is their most valuable commodity.