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Title: Did this Cali girl really love ?
Post by: garster7 on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
[This message has been edited by garster7]

Most of you guys will probably kill me for this but I am 40 never been married I luckily look 32 I was In a class and met a 23 year old girl from Cali, Colombia. Never heard of the place till I met her, she said the most beautifull girls come from Cali and she wasnt kidding. WE started to hang out she said she was working illegally and was worried about losing her job, I suggested marriage she said sure but "just as friends". I told her from the get go I was very attracted to her but would marry her and maybe things will develop. She lived with her aunt and cousin. We both agreed to get married in Vegas on April 18th 2003 it was march at the time. Even though she said she just wanted to be friends we talked and acted around each other like more. We called each other "sweetie" "dear", shared food, drinks sometimes held hands,almost like a pretend realtionship. We would talk about the kind of sex we liked, she would start picking out clothes that looked good on me etc. We talked about having kids We got married shortly after that I told her I dont know If i could go through this because I really wanted moere and it was hard to be around her and not kiss her etc. Then one day she said she talked to her mom in Colombia to give it a try and see what develops. So we started to kiss but the kises were brief and short and it seemed she wasnt into it. I would ask her if she was attracted to me but she would never answer. She kept on saying dont push. It just didnt feel right so i said i wanted an Annulment and didint want her as a girlfriend. This really pissed her off. I regreted the decision sent her flowers , letters etc. She thanked me for the flowers but not the letters. We argued she insisted she could just be friends andnothing more and to stay married. We talked a bit on the phone and she would call jsut to say hi but it seemed I always ended up saying something wrong. Soon she insisted on an Annulment. Then I didint want one I wanted her back and happy she was very cold to me and aloof she said she had no feeelings for me and didnt want to talk about the past, but she acted like she was very hurt and angry. We started to see each other a bit after that and she warmed up to me once again. We started to have a great conversation i was ready to work this out then suddenly we were  in a car accident. She ended up in the hospital nothing serous. i stood by her side the whole time while she was in the hospital. The second day I visited her she looked at me like i had never seen her look at me before with want and lust in her eyes, I didnt know why and didnt ask her. We talked about a lawyer and she said who ever I choose is fine, she didnt want me to leave her side at the hospital, was flirting with me big time, i didnt know why., but i had to got to work. It seemed like she really wanted me to take care of her make the decisions for her. While on the phone with her I asked her not to sue me, a lawyer i had talked to had suggested i say that. she just laughed for two minutes I didnt know why.I realized later it was trust issue She assumed I thought she was out to use me. Also since i lived in a small place we did spend time looking for an apartment together and assumed she would move in withme though she could never commit to that insisting she coudlnt leave her aunt.  Next day she was cold and tough shortly after she said had met somebody and insisted on an annulment she moved in with this guy soon after that and would never talk to me or see me again. I sent her letters etc it hasnt helped.This guy she is with keeps her on a short leash. Did she like me or did she just want to use me? I still think of her often and want her back. I later found out from her aunt she moved out without telling her and owes her 3000 dollars, and moved in this guy she barley knew and didnt marry him. And her aunt was the one that snuck her over the border and gave her a place to live.I think she just found someone else to give her what she wanted and other times i think she really wanted a relationship with me and i didnt give it time to develop. It ended on June 18 only saw her one time in August when she was with her "friend" (the guy she lives with even though she told me she lives with some old woman)  and I signed the divorce papers, it sucked.


Title: I don't think she played you.
Post by: Georgina on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Did this Cali girl really love ?, posted by garster7 on Jan 19, 2004

Sorry. Let's say Garster7 is real he said:

"she said she was working illegally and was worried about losing her job, I suggested marriage she said sure but "just as friends". I told her from the get go I was very attracted to her but would marry her and maybe things will develop. She lived with her aunt and cousin. We both agreed to get married in Vegas on April 18th 2003 it was march at the time. Even though she said she just wanted to be friends we talked and acted around each other like more"

I don't think she played you.

From day 1 she told you the truth. Number one, she was illegal, number two, you were the one suggesting to get married and number three, she said she just wanted to be friends with you, number 4, just weeks after she knew that since she entered illegally, she wouldn't get her papers through marriage, she wanted an annulment.

The problem wasn't that she didn't tell you the truth. The problem was that you didn't believe her when she told you the truth. Perhaps you thought, her feelings for you will develop but they didn't. Don't worry that happens a lot to quite a few guys in this board. Just move on and believe them when they tell you that they don't love you.



Title: Re: I don't think she played you.
Post by: mar33 on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to I don't think she played you., posted by Georgina on Jan 20, 2004

Georgina,
      It was great you took the time to give a very insightful answer without insults. Maybe garster7 is real. If he is, we have to understand though we would not have been so guluible, there are a lot of guys out there who really are not experienced in relationships and women. Those guys can be very naive.
   garster 7, A woman either loves you, or she does'nt. Wanting,wishing or hoping a woman will eventually fall in love because you are a nice guy almost never happens.Move on and don't try to understand her or her motives. She probably does not understand them herself since they vary from day to day.


Title: Re: I don't think she played you.-last post
Post by: garster7 on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to I don't think she played you., posted by Georgina on Jan 20, 2004

Your right I agree  I had a friend of mine who is fluent in spanish called and asked her why she wont get back with me and she answered "I could never be with somebody who  thought I was a bad person" She didnt believe me I didnt believe her we had no reason to believe each other you cant have any kind of relationship with someone when you havent built any trust. She often told little lies, she seemed like she was thinking one thing and saying another. It was mostly lust by my part or all. I never really go to know her and maybe I never wanted to, maybe deep inside I thought she was a jerk and I was just clinging on to an adolescent fantasy which never was fulfilled.She looked very young ( about 15, and acted it) and just like my very first love I had. I was trying to go back in time. Trying to make up for lost time at 42, pathetic. Thanks for EVERYONES  post No more needs to be said. Lesson Learned just wish I learned it at 14 instead of 42. Bye


Title: Hey Garster, Calm down
Post by: greg on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Did this Cali girl really love ?, posted by garster7 on Jan 19, 2004

what happened to You is old news. Can happen to any Guy. You don't need to waste your time defending yourself over and over on this forum. What happened is in the past, wash the stink off..Move on


Title: Re: Did this Cali girl really love ?
Post by: zack on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Did this Cali girl really love ?, posted by garster7 on Jan 19, 2004

This is your first post and this is how you introduce yourself?!?

Well, at least you gave us some entertainment. What I found very strange about your post is how after telling us a long story about her cold and aloof attitudes, among other things, you then ask "Did she like me or did she just want to use me?"  DUUUHHH!  WHat do YOU think!

Garster, you are one of three things: either a troll, on drugs, or you are just not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Maybe you are all of the above.

Zack



Title: Re: Re: Zack your an Idiot
Post by: garster7 on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Did this Cali girl really love ?, posted by zack on Jan 20, 2004

It seems the only way you can feel good about yourself is to put other people down. You assume to know everything about me just from a few short paragraphs i have written here. Yet you know nothing of all the communications I had with this girl and a lot of communication between two people can be non-verbal. Eventhough I appeared like a sucker from the story I presented here I could have written it slightly differently and appeared like the most savy person on the planet, if you had any intelligence you would know one event can be percieved in a thousand different ways. But I wrote it not concerned how I would appear but the truth and how i saw it, i think that takes guts and intelligence far beyond what you could ever be capable of, since appearences seem to be more important to you then anything else. And yes that appears that it may be a run on sentence, oh my god i feel such shame.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Zack your an Idiot
Post by: zack on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Zack your an Idiot, posted by garster7 on Jan 20, 2004

Garster,

If you read the archives you would realize that I hardly ever put other people down, and I rarely get into fights with people. You don't know me at all, and I don't know you. But you sure seemed like a troll with your first post, and we have had a lot of problems with trolls in the past. If I am wrong, my apologies.

Zack




Title: Yo, Garster, Get a Grip
Post by: burbuja2 on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Zack your an Idiot, posted by garster7 on Jan 20, 2004

Admiting to immigration fraud, being played like a fool and then acting completely dumbfounded over the inevitable result is hardly "guts and intelligence".  You need help.  Zack could teach you a lot - if you let him.


Title: Re: Yo, Garster, Get a Grip
Post by: zack on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Yo, Garster, Get a Grip, posted by burbuja2 on Jan 20, 2004

Very well said. I think we scared him away- his final post is above. Big B has endured 10 times more criticism and  he's still here. Come on, Garster, toughen up. We aren't out to bring you down. As long as you aren't a troll we will all eventually get along.

Zack



Title: Hold the phone
Post by: HeyNow on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Yo, Garster, Get a Grip, posted by burbuja2 on Jan 20, 2004

I think Calipro brought this up before: Is it possible to get married to someone in the U.S. illegally?  If it isn't, (or if we don't get an answer) then this whole deal is the work of a troll.


Title: Re: Hold the phone
Post by: Ralph on January 22, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Hold the phone, posted by HeyNow on Jan 20, 2004

Sure it is possible. You can marry anyone you want to. The thing is, when it is time to adjust her status, she will have to return to colombia most likley, for an interview. The catch is because she entered without papers she will be denied getting back into the states.

He could have stayed married and never filed paperwork for her etc. Chances are she would never be caught and deported, but she would also never become legal.

They could also wait for one of the "amnesty" type scenarios that usually come around every few years, such as the i245 extension Clinton signed right before leaving office.



Title: Re: Re: Hold the phone
Post by: HeyNow on January 22, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Hold the phone, posted by Ralph on Jan 22, 2004

So, she can't even apply for a social security card.  Once they find out then "out you go". Am I correct?


Title: Actual Age vs. Apparent Age
Post by: DallasSteve2 on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Did this Cali girl really love ?, posted by garster7 on Jan 19, 2004

One other thing caught my attention about your post.  You wrote:

"I am 40 never been married I luckily look 32"

How do you know it's 32 and not 33?  That's rather precise.  Is there a website where I can check out my apparent age?

Steve



Title: Re: Actual Age vs. Apparent Age
Post by: pablo on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Actual Age vs. Apparent Age, posted by DallasSteve2 on Jan 19, 2004

[This message has been edited by pablo]

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Title: Re: Actual Age vs. Apparent Age
Post by: charlieRSJ on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Actual Age vs. Apparent Age, posted by DallasSteve2 on Jan 19, 2004

I had no problem with garsters logic Steve..heck,Im 45 myself but i look..44


Title: LOL
Post by: DallasSteve2 on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Actual Age vs. Apparent Age, posted by charlieRSJ on Jan 20, 2004

Thanks for coming out of lurk mode for that one.

Steve



Title: Re: Did this Cali girl really love ?
Post by: Pete E on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Did this Cali girl really love ?, posted by garster7 on Jan 19, 2004

I believe what was told to me after a lukewarm dissatisfying marriage to my wife.
"If you wonder if they love you,they do not."
I can't believe it even took a ditsy marriage counsoler a couple oy years to figure it out.My wife was an expert at denial,and of course I wanted to believe her when see said she loved me,but I really knew better all along.

Pete



Title: Re: Did this Cali girl really love ?
Post by: mar33 on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Did this Cali girl really love ?, posted by garster7 on Jan 19, 2004

garster 7,
      It seems you have not had a lot of dating experience in the past. I reccomend you get some before you ever think of buying a plane ticket to any foreign country. Otherwise, you will be prime target for many women who think gringos are easy prey(and apparently you are).
   Yes, action speak louder than words and YOU are not willing to see that. Many women will tell you what you want to hear. Though you may think you have little to offer,and she can certainly get more from someone else, understand it takes effort to find another sucker. You are right there and willing, therefore she will take what she can.
    Calipro had once said to give someone enough rope and see if they hang  themselves . If they prove to you they are sincere great. If not, get rid of them or understand you are not in a serious relationship.
   Also, I agree you will not have to convince a woman who loves you to have sex with you. Heck!! you do not even have to convince one that does not love you. In this day and age, most women will sleep with a man she is sexually attracted to without the love unless she is a virgin.
    This may be hard to take, but not only is she not in love with you. She is not sexually attracted to you. When that happens you have absolutely no chance in he11 to make it work.
   Sorry to be so blunt. Again, please take time to date and understand what women are about. Also, take a good look in the mirror and see what you can do to improve yourself. Foreign women are very picky about grooming and clothing.If there is anything wrong with the teeth, fix them.Otherwise no  woman will not have the desire to kiss you. Make sure you are up to par, especially if you plan to start travelling.Otherwise, though you will get girls  their motives will be questionable.


Title: Problem With This Story
Post by: littlebhuddha on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Did this Cali girl really love ?, posted by garster7 on Jan 19, 2004

Marrying an illegal alien will not get her a green card. If she was here illegally at the time of the marriage the I-130 would never be approved. Marrying an illegal here is asking for a bucket of trouble. If this guy actually did what he says he would have found out real fast that it wouldn't work. I agree with Calipro. That ain't limberger you smellin"!!!


Title: Troll, Troll, Troll,.....
Post by: Calipro on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Did this Cali girl really love ?, posted by garster7 on Jan 19, 2004

Troll !!!!

Your story is really hard to believe. But if it is true the real question is weather you tried to black mail her into having sex with you (not if she really loved you!). We already know the answer to that one.



Title: I smell a troll... n/t
Post by: wizard on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Did this Cali girl really love ?, posted by garster7 on Jan 19, 2004

n/t


Title: Re: I smell a troll... n/t
Post by: pablo on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to I smell a troll... n/t, posted by wizard on Jan 19, 2004

[This message has been edited by pablo]

I thought the same thing Wiz when reading garster's story but do ya think Patrick activates accounts for LuLu* to start posting that quick?  I guess time will tell.  

In the meantime...

JimC, take point, Burbuja on the right flank, Sparhard cover the left flank, and who wants to take up the rear, Big B?  Lock and load troops.   ;-)

---

*Posted by: LuAnn on January 16, 2004 04:19 PM (On that amptoons site)

Hey, guess what? Our old friend jackoftrades posts on planet-love, latin board. Say, lets all register there and troll on all three boards - latin, asian and east europeon (russian). Get em all riled up!



Title: Re: Re: I smell a troll... n/t
Post by: garster7 on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: I smell a troll... n/t, posted by pablo on Jan 19, 2004

For the last time I am not a troll why would I risk telling a story like this I knew what I would get for it plus I could make up a much better story then the one I have told. Also she or I knew when we got married that she could not get her citizenship we found that out a few weeks later, at that point we talked about getting an annulment. She knew I was nervous about being married to her and I was afraid I would get cought or fined she was well aware of my worries. One time she did say "lets get an annulment we will go out then eventually get married for real" sort of under her breath, but I didnt beleive her and never asked her about it again, I regret not doing that. The real thing about this is that we were both afraid to love and my lack of self-esteem could make me beleive I could only get this girl if I was married to her that I could not keep her on my own merit. The fact is I could have kept her at least as a girlfriend she gave me plenty of oportunities to backout, but I would keep changing my mind. The point was I didnt act like a man around her I let her dictate what as up and eventually she just got tired of my indecisiveness and moved on. She was defintly the kind of woman who needed a strong man to take "care of her" and tell her whats up. Since I never got to know her that well, who knows. She was well aware I was lonley and hadnt been involved in a while she kept on saying "she would take care of me", but I kept on saying I dont need a mother. As I look back on it now I should have stayed just her friend never married her, and get to know her and see what kind of girl she was and take it from there to she if she was worthy enough to be with me instead of taking the opposite approach. And I didnt marry her for sex I wanted much more then that.


Title: Sera que Hilton is back? n/t
Post by: Cali vet on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Did this Cali girl really love ?, posted by garster7 on Jan 19, 2004

.


Title: Re: Did this Cali girl really love ?
Post by: CaliAdvisor on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Did this Cali girl really love ?, posted by garster7 on Jan 19, 2004

I will try not to bash you my friend. All these guys who are bashing you would have probably done the same thing. At least you had a friendship with this girl, most of them just marry women that they cant even communicate with beyond a 4th grade level because neither speaks their respective language. So take everything they tell you with a grain of salt. The one comment I do have to make has to do with this sentence that you wrote:

"I think she just found someone else to give her what she wanted and other times i think she really wanted a relationship with me and i didnt give it time to develop."

Don't fool yourself my friend. She did not want anything to do with you on a romantic level. If a latina is interested in you romantically, they will usually let you know pretty rapidly. So don't beat yourself up thinking you made some mistake, the fact of the matter is she sis not like you in that way.



Title: Hi Aaron, whats happening
Post by: greg on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Did this Cali girl really love ?, posted by CaliAdvisor on Jan 19, 2004

:O)


Title: And wrong again
Post by: DallasSteve2 on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Did this Cali girl really love ?, posted by CaliAdvisor on Jan 19, 2004

Aaron

You wrote:

"All these guys who are bashing you would have probably done the same thing."

Wrong again.  But don't worry.  Someday the law of averages will catch up and you will say something correct besides your aarogant blather about how you can get girls in Colombia and not marry them.  Who can't?

When I met my ex she said she would marry me but she wouldn't have sexual relations with me until we were married (and she was in the US).  I said Adios.  Then she called me back and we consumated the deal.  I'm not so desperate (and foolish) that I would bring her here on the hope that I'd get something later.

I also am fluent in Spanish.

Steve



Title: Re: And wrong again
Post by: CaliAdvisor on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to And wrong again, posted by DallasSteve2 on Jan 19, 2004

Yeah I am sure your real fluent DallasSteve. Then why all the miscomunication between you and your wife. It seems like every second you are on this board complaining about how your wife is completely uncapable of living in the developed world. Maybe you just dont know how to explain things to her in spanish.


Title: Re: Re: And wrong again
Post by: Fuzzyone on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: And wrong again, posted by CaliAdvisor on Jan 20, 2004

Now you got me thinking... maybe that is what happened to my ex-
wife. Only problem was she could speak very good english but still could
not understand. Oh well thank god I got you around to tell us what
boobs we are....


Title: 972-652-4314
Post by: DallasSteve2 on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: And wrong again, posted by CaliAdvisor on Jan 20, 2004

You can call me up and talk to me in Spanish if you like.

Put up or shut up mr phd.

Steve



Title: Yo, Steve
Post by: burbuja2 on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to 972-652-4314, posted by DallasSteve2 on Jan 21, 2004

[This message has been edited by burbuja2]

Mind if I call you?  Puedo platicar en espanol pero preferia hablar contigo en ingles.


Title: No problema
Post by: DallasSteve2 on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Yo, Steve, posted by burbuja2 on Jan 21, 2004

I'd be happy to talk to you.  But that's my work number so it's only good during the day.  I didn't want to give anybody on this board a direct number to my own personal Caleña.

Steve



Title: Allow Me to Advise Tthe Would-Be Advisor
Post by: burbuja2 on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: And wrong again, posted by CaliAdvisor on Jan 20, 2004

The problem may not be in the communication, but rather, in the reception and processing of the communication.  Please come back to this Board in a few years after you've gained a little more experience in dealing with el tercer mundo.


Title: Re: Allow Me to Advise Tthe Would-Be Advisor
Post by: CaliAdvisor on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Allow Me to Advise Tthe Would-Be Advisor, posted by burbuja2 on Jan 21, 2004

Hahaha.. You are probably more clueless than anyone. I would love to see how you recieve and process information if your wife was explaining you something in Spanish. Give me a break! You complain about your wives being clueless but the grand majority of you are just as clueless in Cali as they are in the USA. I've seen you fools in Cali and on the planes. Pathetic.


Title: Clueless in Cali?
Post by: burbuja2 on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Allow Me to Advise Tthe Would-Be Adv..., posted by CaliAdvisor on Jan 21, 2004

[This message has been edited by burbuja2]

Maybe you have seen me on a plane.  I'm the guy in the front sending drinks back to people like you. I would like to take this opportunity to remind you and people out there like you that the lavatory in the front of the aircraft is reserved specifically for first class passengers only.


Title: Re: Clueless in Cali?
Post by: lometogo on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Clueless in Cali?, posted by burbuja2 on Jan 21, 2004

Priceless, sir. I envy your exalted position in life.


Title: Good Example of an Aaron Flame
Post by: DallasSteve2 on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Allow Me to Advise Tthe Would-Be Adv..., posted by CaliAdvisor on Jan 21, 2004

[This message has been edited by DallasSteve2]

Now class please observe how the previous post has absolutely no redeeming value.  It's simply an adventure in name calling by an angry poster who's been bested by his intellectual superior.  No wit.  No counterpoint.  Just childish drivel.

Steve



Title: Re: Good Example of an Aaron Flame
Post by: lometogo on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Good Example of an Aaron Flame, posted by DallasSteve2 on Jan 21, 2004

All praise and accolades to your intellectual superiority, DS.


Title: Re: Re: Good Example of an Aaron Flame
Post by: DallasSteve2 on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Good Example of an Aaron Flame, posted by lometogo on Jan 21, 2004

My post was in reply to Aaron calling Burbuja names.  If you re-read my post carefully you will see that I was referring to Burbuja as his intellectual superior.  I'm just a simple Texas boy.

Steve



Title: Re: Re: Re: Good Example of an Aaron Flame
Post by: lometogo on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Good Example of an Aaron Flame, posted by DallasSteve2 on Jan 21, 2004

My apologies, Steve.


Title: Re: Good Example of an Aaron Flame
Post by: burbuja2 on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Good Example of an Aaron Flame, posted by DallasSteve2 on Jan 21, 2004

As always Steve, your point is well taken.  Yet, I wouldn't be too hard on him.  You see, if there weren't people like him, there couldn't be people like us.


Title: Re: Re: Did this Cali girl really love ?
Post by: garster7 on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Did this Cali girl really love ?, posted by CaliAdvisor on Jan 19, 2004

Thanks for that advice my friend i have been beating myself up for the past 6 months its time to move on. I think because i was so damn attracted to her, wanted her. Read the new post just put up below explains a few things in detail.


Title: Re: Did this Cali girl really love ?
Post by: roadken on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Did this Cali girl really love ?, posted by garster7 on Jan 19, 2004

Guys like you screw up the world for men.Get some self respect dude.You did this to yourself.Pathetic.


Title: Re: Re: Did this Cali girl really love ?
Post by: chizz on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Did this Cali girl really love ?, posted by roadken on Jan 19, 2004

I agree 100 percent. I was thinking the same thing.
Bryan


Title: Hey Chizz
Post by: Fuzzyone on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Did this Cali girl really love ?, posted by chizz on Jan 19, 2004

How is everything going with you? How about the girl? You trip report
was pretty good thanks for posting it...


Title: Re: Hey Chizz
Post by: chizz on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Hey Chizz, posted by Fuzzyone on Jan 20, 2004

Sup fuzz,
So far, very nice. We had some interesting conversation, concerning the fact that she says she doesn't know how to cook. She's young, so I know there would be some difficulties, but not knowing how to cook, bothered me. i told her, and explained where I was coming from, and she told me her story, and we came understand each other. She is really great, and I will be returning in May. Thanks for the kind words, and I'm glad you liked the report. take care.
Bryan


Title: Re: Re: Hey Chizz
Post by: Fuzzyone on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Hey Chizz, posted by chizz on Jan 21, 2004

My future ex did not know how to cook and it sucked. I wanted to eat
Peruvian food so bad and could only have a taste of it.  Have you meet
the family yet or are you in May? i did enjoy meeting my mother in law
she could cook so good. I ate everything. having a good understanding is
important I feel. good luck

Chuck



Title: Re: Re: Re: Hey Chizz
Post by: chizz on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Hey Chizz, posted by Fuzzyone on Jan 21, 2004

No, I haven't met the family yet, but I've talked to them on the phone. They seem pretty close knit. I've made it clear to her, what I want in a woman and potential wife, and knowing english fluently, and knowing how to cook, are top priorities to me. She currently wants to finish her studies, which gives us plenty of time to talk and get to know each other. thanks again, and sorry things didn't work out for you.
Bryan


Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hey Chizz
Post by: Fuzzyone on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Re: Hey Chizz, posted by chizz on Jan 21, 2004

Thats ok I made a big mistake... funny thing is when ever I talk to her
she stills wants to move back in and stay married, but I will not have it,
she rubbed my nose in the crap long enough. All the papers have been
filed and I am just waiting for the court to do their thing.


Title: Desperate Men
Post by: DallasSteve2 on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Did this Cali girl really love ?, posted by garster7 on Jan 19, 2004

I have done some stupid things for women before, but I am not even in your league.  My hat's off to you.  You should be in the Super Bowl of Desperate Men.

The woman from Cali you met never loved you.  She was using you all the time.  Forget about it.  Sometimes we love people who don't deserve it.

You are way too desperate.  Buy a ticket to Cali and you can find another beautiful, desperate woman who will make you believe that she loves you until she gets her immigration papers.  You may get 2 or 3 years of joy out of it and then you can do it again.  It's better than having a "vapor marriage" like yours.

Desperate men that try to put the world at the feet of women are making it tougher for all of us.  Women start complaining that so-and-so has offered me such-and-such.  When they do that I say, "Go live with so-and-so.  I'll close the door for you."

My wife (from Cali) met some guy here from Brazil who has money and is desperate like you.  She said he gave her the keys to his car and said she can use it anytime she wants.  She said he told her that if she marries him he will buy her a house, in her name.  I doubt if that is true, but stories like yours make me wonder if maybe he would.

Thank you for posting your story.  It's always interesting to read about the super-foolish things that some men do for women.

Steve



Title: Re: Desperate Men
Post by: CaliAdvisor on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Desperate Men, posted by DallasSteve2 on Jan 19, 2004

You sure talk a lot. But its basically the same thing if you meet and women at a marriage agency, bring her to the US and then she leaves you. You guys get just as played as this guy in the end. Only difference is you pay for the plane ticket and he didnt. If you are gonna get played by a woman, it is at least better not to be the one that brings her to the country to play you.


Title: Aaron, Aaron, Aaron
Post by: Calipro on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Desperate Men, posted by CaliAdvisor on Jan 19, 2004

"You guys get just as played as this guy in the end."

Why so negative?? Haven't you got shagged lately??

I'll be in Cali in March. If you're not to busy, why don't you introduce me to some ladies that won't play me.

Sounds a little boring actually but I'm willing to give it a try.

It also goes against my definition of true love. You know where both parties believe they are getting more out of the relationship than they are putting in. hehehe!!!



Title: Re: Aaron, Aaron, Aaron
Post by: CaliAdvisor on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Aaron, Aaron, Aaron, posted by Calipro on Jan 19, 2004

Dood.. I wouldnt introduce you to any of my girls if my life depended on it. I've seen you old howns who stumble into Blues Brothers and sit around with your tounge hanging out of your mouth when one of my type girls walks in. I would have to meet you first before introducing you to anyone. My reputation wouldnt be so great with my girlfriends if I went around introducing their friends to losers. You see, these chicks arent interested in meeting gringos just for the hell of it. You've got to be able to hold your own.


Title: Oh, really.....
Post by: Calipro on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Aaron, Aaron, Aaron, posted by CaliAdvisor on Jan 20, 2004

[This message has been edited by Calipro]

I don't imagine that you would introduce me to any of your lady friends as you probably would be embarrassed to be seen with them.

Anybody that braggs about shagging the wives and girl friends of the americans that use the agencies is really hard up. Everytime I look at the lovelys on the couples page of the marriage agency web sites, I laugh thinking what a poor slob you must be. So, go ahead and tell us witch one of those sexy señoras did you shagg? HeHeHe!!

I don't know any americans that hang out at Blues Brothers on a regular basis except for Traveler. I hope your statement about "tounge hanging" wasin't directed at him. As, I'm sure he has done alot better  with the ladies than you.


You know. I don't like feeling sorry for someone that I have never met. I tell you what, forget about the ladies. I'll meet you for a drink at Blues Brothers Thursday nite March 11th at around midnight. At the very least we can clear up the fact that most of the board thinks you are Aaron. How will I know if you are Aaron or not? Well that's easy. How could I miss a good looking, well dressed, gay (I mean metro-sexual) black man that thinks the only reason he doesn't have a desire to have sex with women is because he hasn't met the right one yet.



Title: Too funny and too true
Post by: DallasSteve2 on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Aaron, Aaron, Aaron, posted by Calipro on Jan 19, 2004

"It also goes against my definition of true love. You know where both parties believe they are getting more out of the relationship than they are putting in."

And if you can achieve that status you've struck gold.

Steve



Title: Wrong Again, Aaron
Post by: DallasSteve2 on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Desperate Men, posted by CaliAdvisor on Jan 19, 2004

Aaron

I got played for 2 years.  And I got laid for 2 years.  He got zip.  Big difference.

Steve



Title: Re: Desperate Men
Post by: Kiltboy1 on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Desperate Men, posted by DallasSteve2 on Jan 19, 2004

Steve

I was waiting to see what would be said . I did not want to hammer the guy too bad this morning, but i thought it was some kind of Joke when i first read it.
I mean, my wife took advantage of me some as i am sure most wives can, but no to any extent like this woman. this woman makes AW women seem almost  doable, ALMOST !



Title: This Takes the Cake
Post by: burbuja2 on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Did this Cali girl really love ?, posted by garster7 on Jan 19, 2004

Out of all the stories I have read on this Board, this is the most one-sided relationship posted here to date.  You don't realize that you have been willingly and thoroughly exploited?  I'd say you have some major issues with self-esteem.


Title: Re: cali girl really love
Post by: garster7 on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to This Takes the Cake, posted by burbuja2 on Jan 19, 2004

[This message has been edited by garster7]

Thanks for the advice guys, really. But first of all what i didnt say was 1. I spent very little money on her I would take her out to Dennys or place similiar to that.  2. i didnt waste any money on an agency or plane ticket to Cali about 2500 dollars at the least. 3 She paid for the wedding 4. On stupid advice from the "friend" she now lives with she payed 300.00 for a divorce I went on -line and filled out a piece of paper and stoped it she had to pay another 150.00 dollars to get an annulment I had aleady given her the papers so please tell me the difference between that and buying a wife then getting devorced two years later paying child support etc.  Before I ended it she told me this is the first time didnt miss her friends in Cali and I was the reason, she always gets depressed during her period.She called me next day on the phone very happy the day I ended it. I admit though i never should have married her until I knew her first she did act like a 12 year old I acted like a 14 year old as well. She couldnt comunicate how she really felt.  After I  broke up with her she gave me back the ring ( 45 dollars) and wanted out right away, she was in tears and looked very sad. The times i say her after we broke up  she always seems depressed and scared, when we would drive somewhere she would say nervously where are we going? she might have thought i was going to drive to Mexico and drop her off. So if she was using me to get a green card Why didnt she say then she lie and say she loved me or entice me with sex to get me back? Also her dad left her when she was young and married a girl half his age maybe she was trying to get back at him. She always called me when we were together 3 times a day and i saw her everyday, but maybe she was just saying what I wanted to hear but she could have done it a easier way pick somebody richer then me with a half decent place who would have given her money to do anything she wanted. I admit I was stupid for not playing it out and at least insisting on some good sex, before we even thought about getting married. Maybe I was a little lonley and desperate but the problem is the more you want a realionship the more they stay away because you come across desperate the more desperate you get. Its a viscous cycle. By the way I know where she lives and her phone I could get her deported if I wanted. Her aunt wants be to do that.


Title: Re: Re: cali girl really love
Post by: Pappasito on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: cali girl really love, posted by garster7 on Jan 19, 2004

Wake up,gringo!! Yo aren`t getting this woman deported anywhere,anytime... BCIS doesn`t work like that..They are supposed to,but they don`t.... Basically,once they`re in,they`re in...


Title: $2500?! Are you flying from Uzbekistan? n/t
Post by: Cali vet on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: cali girl really love, posted by garster7 on Jan 19, 2004

.


Title: Re: Re: cali girl really love
Post by: Fuzzyone on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: cali girl really love, posted by garster7 on Jan 19, 2004

I hate to tell you this but you do have this but wake up. At least with
my wife we were in bed, we kissed ect ect. She felt sad? over what dude
you never did nothing but kiss. She used you plain and simple. One last
thing get her deported at least my wife stuck around until she got her
papers and then it was me that got tired of her crap.


Title: Fuzzyone, you of all people.....
Post by: Calipro on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: cali girl really love, posted by Fuzzyone on Jan 19, 2004

should be appaulled at this guys actions or at least his story. He tried to use the promise of a green card to get this girl in bed ,plain and simple. The only reason he is sorry now is because she couldn't go through with it.


Title: Re: Fuzzyone, you of all people.....
Post by: Fuzzyone on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Fuzzyone, you of all people....., posted by Calipro on Jan 19, 2004

Actually I was not even going to reponsed to this guy until he start
talking about at least he did not waste money on a ticket to go to S.A.  
Honestly if you think about it she kind of sounds like a female Calipro. I
would like to hear her side of the story too.... I think it would be
interesting story do you think?


Title: Re: Re: Re: cali girl really love
Post by: garster7 on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: cali girl really love, posted by Fuzzyone on Jan 19, 2004

right what I am saying is that noone seems to hear is that  I ENDED IT SHE DIDNT I KNOW IF I STUCK AROUND I DEFINTLY WOULD HAVE GOT LAID. I definilty regret that. i was protecting my feelings. So I got played back to Colombia she goes.


Title: I have a question and it's kind of personal......
Post by: Calipro on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Re: cali girl really love, posted by garster7 on Jan 19, 2004

HAVE YOU EVER GOTTEN LAID ? !!!!!!!!!!

And why would you wish her any harm (like getting deported)?

She tried to use you for a green card and you tried to blackmail her into having sex with you.

Sounds fair to me.



Title: At least, I disagree with CaliPro
Post by: DallasSteve2 on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to I have a question and it's kind of perso..., posted by Calipro on Jan 19, 2004

Trying to enforce the laws is not wishing someone harm.  It's being a responsible citizen (if the law is just, and here I think it is).  She violated the law.  She should be deported.  Granted, he was an accopmlice (if this whole smelly story is true).

Blackmail implies a threat of something bad.  I may have missed a post here, but I never saw him threaten her with anything.  If he said "I'll do this if you'll do that", that's not blackmail.

Steve



Title: Re: I have a question and it's kind of personal......
Post by: garster7 on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to I have a question and it's kind of perso..., posted by Calipro on Jan 19, 2004

That is bullsh&t I didnt black mail her for anything otherwise i would have said i will only get married if we sleep together first but I didnt. I agreed to get married to her just as friends, she knew I liked her more then she liked me, she gave me a few times to backout if I wanted, I said no. BUt emotionally I couldnt stand to be around her and not be the one in her life I was too attracted to her my heart couldnt take it anymore. Eventhough she started to show affection towards me at the end I didnt believe it was genuine so I got out. I am not the kind of person to beg for it, and I have gotten laid by the way a lot.But she I wanted more then anyone I ever knew or been with before. Afterwords i felt that I made a mistake. Too late. End of story. I am moving on and trying to forget her, I have no other choice. I made it easy for her to take advantage of me so she did, but it didnt havet to be that way.


Title: Re: Re: I have a question and it's kind of personal......BS
Post by: roadken on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: I have a question and it's kind of p..., posted by garster7 on Jan 19, 2004

Garster,what you offered was a felony.You offered an arranged marriage.For whatever reasons,it is a serious violation.For the rest of us who go through the immense pain of bringing our ladies here legally,I for one find it offensive.Save your rational for other a**holes like you.
Grow up and act like a man and you might find a woman who
will respect you.Guy's like you make the world harder for the real men in the world.Letting women abuse you reinforces the behavior we are rejecting when we travel south for a spouse.You get NO sympathy from me.


Title: Re: Re: Re: I have a question and it's kind of personal......BS
Post by: Calipro on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: I have a question and it's kind ..., posted by roadken on Jan 20, 2004

You are right! This guy got everything he deserved. He married a women that he knew did not love him or was even attracted to him for the sole purpose of trying to get in her pants. I have never seen such an extreme case of desperation in my life. The guy is a pathetic excuss for a man.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: cali girl really love. Reality.
Post by: NW Jim on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Re: cali girl really love, posted by garster7 on Jan 19, 2004

I'd be a little careful. First, it's not that easy to get somebody deported. BCIS focuses on removing illegal aliens who have committed felonies as their first priority. Even guys whose wive's have filed false domestic violence police reports haven't had much luck with deportation, see Travis on the Russian forum. Secondly, you married her with the intent to assist with immigration fraud. That's a crime, occasionally people get prosecuted for it. Cut your losses and remember the lessons you've learned the hard way.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: cali girl really love
Post by: Fuzzyone on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Re: cali girl really love, posted by garster7 on Jan 19, 2004

This is what I do not understand how do you think you were going to get
laid if she would not even kiss you??? If you were going to marry a
amercian woman and she would not want to kiss you would you have
gone all the way and said I do? I don't think so. What you did was got
played in your own back yard. Some of us got played at least in their
country where they could be on their best


Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: cali girl really love
Post by: garster7 on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: cali girl really love, posted by Fuzzyone on Jan 19, 2004

You are absolutly right, I would have NEVER married a girl from the us without getting laid first and knowing her really well, never thought about it that way. I am not a flamer this is real. My relatiosnhips with girls before was if I didnt get laid almost right away i would move on I guess i got tired of that thought I would try something different, always had short relationships before just sex, instead I had a short almost non-existent relaionship with no sex, not much better. Thought being from latin america she was more traditional, she was very shy. MY MISTAKE I SHOULD HAVE CHECKED THINGS OUT BEFORE. I let her beauty intrance me I learned my lesson.   It costs less then a few thousand to fly to Colombia? Didnt know.


Title: Whatever
Post by: DallasSteve2 on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Re: cali girl really love, posted by garster7 on Jan 19, 2004

garster

You wrote:

"I ENDED IT SHE DIDNT I KNOW IF I STUCK AROUND I DEFINTLY WOULD HAVE GOT LAID."

Garster, this is a period (.).  It's not like the one your ex-wife had.  Use it to end a sentence.

The reason we didn't hear that is because you didn't say it.  If you had said it some of us might have been gullible enough to believe it.

You want me to say that you are not desperate and she had the hots for you?  Ok, I'll say it.  I guess you'll believe that, too.

Steve

PS (to the list):  Is this one of the trolls from the blog board?  I thought they would compose better flames.  This one really rambles.



Title: Re: Whatever
Post by: Locii on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Whatever, posted by DallasSteve2 on Jan 19, 2004

LOL.  My exwife used to have a period (.) as well, which was pretty much the only time she wanted any.  The rest of the time she was in a coma (,)

Sorry, I'm tired and that seemed funny for a second.

Thanks, DallasStever, you really made me laugh out loud.

Ciao



Title: Re: Whatever
Post by: lometogo on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Whatever, posted by DallasSteve2 on Jan 19, 2004

Steve,
Your arrogance is no less irritating than garster's punctuation deficiency.

Peace and love



Title: Re: Re: Whatever
Post by: DallasSteve2 on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Whatever, posted by lometogo on Jan 19, 2004

I'm sorry you see it as arrogance.  

When he originally posted I tried to be sympathetic.  Then he started up with "IF I STUCK AROUND I DEFINTLY WOULD HAVE GOT LAID."  Maybe he would've, but based on his first post that sounds like his pride talking.

Have a nice day.

Steve



Title: Re: Re: Whatever
Post by: JSlo on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Whatever, posted by lometogo on Jan 19, 2004

True! LOL!!


Title: Yo, Lame Togo
Post by: burbuja2 on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Whatever, posted by lometogo on Jan 19, 2004

Arrogance + intelligence = ONE HELLUVA POSTER!  Please respect your intellectual superiors.


Title: Re: Yo, Lame Togo
Post by: lometogo on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Yo, Lame Togo, posted by burbuja2 on Jan 20, 2004

Yes, sir, no disrespect meant, sir. I shall try to remember my place in the future.

While I'm here, let me share this wonderful definition of moxie: the ability to be arrogant without being offensive.



Title: Re: Whatever
Post by: Bueller on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Whatever, posted by DallasSteve2 on Jan 19, 2004

"PS (to the list): Is this one of the trolls from the blog board? I thought they would compose better flames. This one really rambles."

 This was my first thought, but he registered on December 9.



Title: Re: Re: Whatever
Post by: garster7 on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Whatever, posted by Bueller on Jan 19, 2004

Thank you I am not a troll. Sorry about the rambling usually i edit what i write a few times to make it straighter. My mind races and my fingers have a hard time keeping up. I am going to cut my loses forget about this bi#ch and move on. To many what ifs. Thanks for the tough advice I needed it I was starting to idealize the past make her out to be more then she was, my heart longed for something that never was there. At least i cought my losses early then come home one night and find her in bed with someone else. i never could trust her she did lie to me about a few things,she often never answered her cellphone just look at the number make a face, probably another guy she was using trying to reach her. Lots of red flags i just ignored, my mind saved me from further abuse, if I listned to my heart i would still be her lap dog. She did however peak my interest in latin girls now I see them everywhere and want them all, sexually. I will never ever marry someone like I did again. Los Angeles is full of them I dont why know if people want to find latin wives they just can walk through Los Angeles every country is represented here, and most of them are here illegally any way, take advantage of it but dont do what i did., sex first.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whatever
Post by: HeyNow on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Whatever, posted by garster7 on Jan 19, 2004

You said, "Los Angeles is full of them..."  HeyNow! why didn't marry one that liked you?  I think you are full of it.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whatever
Post by: zack on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Whatever, posted by garster7 on Jan 19, 2004

One thing that could benifit you from this forum are some grammar lessons.

"Thanks for the tough advice I needed it I was starting to idealize the past make her out to be more then she was, my heart longed for something that never was there."

garster, this is called a run-on sentence. Periods can help. Here is a better example from your post:

"Los Angeles is full of them I dont why know if people want to find latin wives they just can walk through Los Angeles every country is represented here, and most of them are here illegally any way, take advantage of it but dont do what i did., sex first."

grarster, this is much worse. There are four sentences in one here. This type of error is sometimes called a "runaway sentence." Periods, commas, ifs, or thens can help prevent this.

Finally, you said,
"Sorry about the rambling usually i edit what i write a few times to make it straighter. My mind races and my fingers have a hard time keeping up."

garster, if you edit what you write a few times and still come up with the above mistakes, then you are truly writing at a 4th grade level.

Zack



Title: An Excellent Post, Zack!
Post by: burbuja2 on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Re: Whatever, posted by zack on Jan 20, 2004

I think if garster could learn to write in a coherent manner, he could take the first small step in the long journey to become a chick magnet.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Whatever
Post by: lometogo on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Re: Whatever, posted by zack on Jan 20, 2004

Cold Chicago weather making you a little surly and mean this mornng, Zack?


Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Whatever
Post by: garster7 on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Re: Whatever, posted by zack on Jan 20, 2004

Zack

My goal was to be concerened with the subject at hand not with my grammer, if I wanted a fu#cking grammer lesson I would have gone to another forum, but grammer advice i did not seek. For your information I graduated from college my father has PHD in English and was a proffessor at the University. I clearly said I did not edit these posts at all if you read them carefully. I could pass you Zack in any english test you could bring to the table just tell me when and where. Geeez and get over yourself allready.



Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Whatever
Post by: zack on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Whatever, posted by garster7 on Jan 20, 2004

My apologies garster for being too hard on you. I am usually the last one on this board to correct someone's grammer or spelling. But you sure seem like a troll, and I try to make trolls go away. If you are not, my apologies.

Every post, including mine, has a few grammar or spelling errors from time to time. But some advice to you- if you keep posting as if you don't know English very well, eventually you will come across as not very educated, even if you are educated, and people will stop taking your posts seriously. It sure won't help with letters to the ladies either.

Regarding your comment:  "I could pass you Zack in any english test you could bring to the table just tell me when and where."

I could care less about who's better than who at anything. But since you brought it up, let me defend myself by saying that I am an MD. That involves 4 years of college and 4 years of medical school. The med school that I went to accepted 150 students out of over 10,000 applicants, and I was one of them. And you can pass me on any Enlglish test? Sure about that?

Zack




Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Whatever
Post by: HeyNow on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Whatever, posted by zack on Jan 20, 2004

Zack, and don't forget that residency (at least a couple more years).


Title: Zack
Post by: Georgina on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Whatever, posted by zack on Jan 20, 2004

Zack,

I do not if you realize the impact of your words, but I am very sensitive to this subject. You may not succeed in getting garster7 to go away, but you may succeed in getting posters having English as a second language just like me to continue participating or not to participate at all. I am sure there are women out there who want to post, but having people correcting other people’s grammar or demanding them “to post in correct English” all the time, keep them from participating. It has happened at least twice with two Colombian women.

In my case I don’t think of myself as not very educated, because my English is not as good as that one of a native speaker. After all, I can speak, write and read in two languages.



Title: Excellent Post Georgina
Post by: greg on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Zack, posted by Georgina on Jan 20, 2004

Your correct..Guys that make a big Stink about bad English can discourage others from Participating on this board. God Bless


Title: Gee, Greg
Post by: burbuja2 on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Excellent Post Georgina, posted by greg on Jan 20, 2004

U wood'int hapin too hav any self-interist in promoteing bad inglish, Now woodja?


Title: Burbuja2 YOUR
Post by: greg on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Gee, Greg, posted by burbuja2 on Jan 21, 2004

Bad to the Bone.


Title: Re: Gee, Greg
Post by: lometogo on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Gee, Greg, posted by burbuja2 on Jan 21, 2004

Excellent post, sir. I'm learning more and more from you every day.


Title: If I Might Point Out the Obvious
Post by: burbuja2 on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Excellent Post Georgina, posted by greg on Jan 20, 2004

There is a big difference between someone who speaks English as a second language and someone who apparently never quite mastered it as a first language.


Title: Get a Grip
Post by: greg on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to If I Might Point Out the Obvious, posted by burbuja2 on Jan 20, 2004

on yourself.


Title: Exactly!!
Post by: zack on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to If I Might Point Out the Obvious, posted by burbuja2 on Jan 20, 2004

Barbuja,

You summed it up in a nutshell. We do not criticize someone's English if it is a second language but to those who never quite mastered the first language, you may get constructively criticized from time to time.

Zack




Title: Zack why should it matter to You
Post by: greg on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Exactly!!, posted by zack on Jan 20, 2004

if someone's English is bad? Your not the one dealing with the Guy. I feel sorry for any Foreigner Women that are involved with the likes You. Get yourself an AW with Perfect English and leave the Latinas alone. Your English may be so and so, but YOU got major Flaws just like anyone else. No one is perfect, as you should already know. The point is understanding what is being said to You, not the Person's English. If you understand me, then that should be enough. Stop looking down on those with poor English language, just remember that there is also something wrong with you.


Title: Sorry Zack, I Apologize
Post by: greg on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Zack why should it matter to You, posted by greg on Jan 21, 2004

I got you mixed up with these other Troublemakers. I already know that your one of the Good Guys on this board. Have a nice day, and good luck with your Latina.


Title: Sorry Zack, I Apologize
Post by: greg on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Zack why should it matter to You, posted by greg on Jan 21, 2004

I got you mixed up with these other Troublemakers. I already know that your one of the Good Guys on this board. Have a nice day, and good luck with your Latina.


Title: Re: Zack why should it matter to You
Post by: zack on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Zack why should it matter to You, posted by greg on Jan 21, 2004

greg,

It is obvious that you don't know me at all. You need to read this thread again. Like I already said, the only reason why I attacked garster's English is because I thought he was a troll. If you look into the archives, you would see that I have NEVER given a sh%t about how well someone speaks English. Me a perfectionist? What a joke. Far from the truth. I have plenty of flaws. My novia speaks broken English and we enjoy rachother's company, and I never give a rats ass if her English isn't perfect. Your assessment of me is way off in left field.

Zack



Title: That's OK, Greg...
Post by: burbuja2 on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Zack why should it matter to You, posted by greg on Jan 21, 2004

Just keep working on your GED.


Title: Believe it or not
Post by: greg on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to That's OK, Greg..., posted by burbuja2 on Jan 21, 2004

you Fool. I've two college degrees. Why don't you stop wasting your time attacking Listers and spend that time on your wife. Your behaving like a Child, Give it a rest.


Title: Oh?
Post by: burbuja2 on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Believe it or not, posted by greg on Jan 21, 2004

Were the colleges accredited?


Title: Forget it
Post by: greg on January 22, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Oh?, posted by burbuja2 on Jan 21, 2004

your just a Troublemaker on this board looking for Listers to Mock. I think you get a Rush from talking Garbage, will just ignore you from now on. Get a life with your so called wife, Ciao U Fool


Title: Re: Forget it
Post by: mar33 on January 22, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Forget it, posted by greg on Jan 22, 2004

Greg,
   There are a few posters on this list that seem to be really out there mentally.Then there are some really great guys who have a lot to contribute and have a very realistic view on life. I personally think Pete E is one of the really good ones. He is honest,respectful and good hearted..Wish there were more like him on this list.
  Mark


Title: Yea, I know..for a fact..the Good Guys outweight the Bad Guys
Post by: greg on January 22, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Forget it, posted by mar33 on Jan 22, 2004

I'm used to dealing with JERKS, been on PL for years. Oh well, there are only a hand full of Troublemakers here...Otherwise no sweat. Anyway, I enjoy reading your Posts, keep up the good work. God Bless


Title: TimeForAReallyLongWordInTheSubjectLineToExtendThisThreadAsFarAsPossible
Post by: DallasSteve2 on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to That's OK, Greg..., posted by burbuja2 on Jan 21, 2004

That's all.


Title: Re: TimeForAReallyLongWordInTheSubjectLineToExtendThisThreadAsFarAsPossible
Post by: zack on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to TimeForAReallyLongWordInTheSubjectLineTo..., posted by DallasSteve2 on Jan 21, 2004

LOL!!!!


Title: Splendiferous Floccinaucinihilipilification
Post by: JSlo on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: TimeForAReallyLongWordInTheSubjectLi..., posted by zack on Jan 21, 2004

My contribution to this nonsense. Figure it out!


Title: Thank You Dr. Zack
Post by: burbuja2 on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Exactly!!, posted by zack on Jan 20, 2004

And allow me to compliment you on your fine English.  If some of the other people here would study rather than complain, work rather than whine, and above all, listen rather than speak, they too may some day write as well as you.


Title: Maybe Your English is so and so
Post by: greg on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Thank You Dr. Zack, posted by burbuja2 on Jan 21, 2004

you got other major Flaws in your life just like anyone else. Get a Grip on yourself.


Title: Re: Zack
Post by: HeyNow on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Zack, posted by Georgina on Jan 20, 2004

This is a little different.  Harpster is a phony.  The whole thing is a farce unless, you can explain how he (harpster) married a woman that is in the U.S. illegally.


Title: Re: Re: Zack
Post by: zack on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Zack, posted by HeyNow on Jan 20, 2004

Very good point Heynow. Too bad garster has tucked tail
and ran. I would have loved to hear his explanation for this one.

Zack



Title: Re: Zack
Post by: zack on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Zack, posted by Georgina on Jan 20, 2004

Georgina,

If you look at the archives, you would see that I have NEVER corrected anyone's grammar or spelling. I was hard on garster because I thought he was a troll. If you knew me you would realize that I am not a judgemental person.
Since this forum is open to anybody who follows the rules, even a 12 year old kid can get on dad's computer and pretend to be a Colombian traveller. We need to be cautious of this and pay attention to warning signs from newcommers.

I think it is a matter of getting to know eachother. As long as we feel comfortable with one another, I don't think anybody cares about proper English. If you ever get heat from someone about your English, just say that you are not a native English speaker. They will understand.

I'm sorry if I offended you. Your advice is noted and I will be more careful next time. I am speaking for the board by saying that your participation is welcome.

Zack



Title: Re: Re: Zack
Post by: Georgina on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Zack, posted by zack on Jan 20, 2004

[This message has been edited by Georgina]

oops


Title: Understood. Thanks, Zack. n/t
Post by: Georgina on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Zack, posted by Georgina on Jan 21, 2004

n/t


Title: Re: Re: Zack
Post by: lometogo on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Zack, posted by zack on Jan 20, 2004

Zack,
Very nicely written. I'm sure your sentiments are reflective of the majority here.

OTOH, I found two spelling errors and one run-on word in your post. Please be more careful in the future, or the paragrammarmilitaries will be calling. Hee, hee, hee....



Title: Re: Re: Re: Whatever
Post by: surfscum on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Whatever, posted by garster7 on Jan 19, 2004

Garster, there is no magic formula. Sex first doesn't guarantee anything. If you had had sex first, that wouldn't have "fixed" anything, it just would have made the fog you were dreaming in thicker. You thought you found a short cut to get what you want by marrying an illegal and SURPRISE! your feelings grew for her, but for her it was just a transaction. You really need to work on your self-esteem, etc. While you're at it, learn spanish too and while you're studying it, you might meet one of those LA latinas.

I wish you well.



Title: Thank you for the good advice scum
Post by: garster7 on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Re: Whatever, posted by surfscum on Jan 19, 2004

Your advice was the best. Thank you


Title: Re: Re: Re: Whatever
Post by: Ken2 on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Whatever, posted by garster7 on Jan 19, 2004

I think your missing the whole point here.  It is not an easy task finding a sincere latina.  However, it is not impossible either. I ask myself repeatedly, how can a wowan justify using a man just for her citizenship just because she is poor or uneducated.  You almost have to move to their country in order to keep them from being corrupted by our culture.
I broke off a relationship with a gal after a year.  Some times you just know its the right thing to do.  
You have to think logically sometimes and leave your emotions out of it.
You better stay out of Latin America until you start thinking logically.  When you do check out Cali.

KP



Title: Life Lessons
Post by: John O on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Whatever, posted by garster7 on Jan 19, 2004

Thanks for your posts. They're entertaining, in a soap-opera-ish kind of way, and make us all feel better about the goofy mistakes we've made around women at one time or another.

Consider it a relatively inexpensive lesson. If you've learned something important about yourself (or about women), then you've got some value out of the experience. Hopefully in the future, you'll be able to tell the story over beers & laughter.

Yes, there are countless Latinas roaming around this City of Angels. But the vast majority are Mexican & Central American. And for my money (or heart), these ladies can't compare with Colombianas in looks (Caleñas in particular), education or vivaciousness. Plus, all Latinas seem to become a little more picky once they've arrived here in Gringolandia.

(BTW, it isn't possible for an illegal to get her papers by marrying a U.S. citizen, is it?)

The trick is to find an honest, good-hearted lady who is still "unspoiled." And to do that, you may have to head down south like many of the rest of us.

Welcome to the board.



Title: Re: Life Lessons...amen
Post by: mar33 on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Life Lessons, posted by John O on Jan 19, 2004

John O,
   "All latinas(foreign women)sem to become a little bit more picky once they've arrived here in gringoland. That is true.
  "The trick is to find an honest "GOOD HEARTED" lady who is still unspoiled" Great advice!!!.
    It takes a smart man to really know the difference between a sincere good hearted woman,and one who is coniving and plays the "game". Any sign of a red flag should not be ignored. But I suspect there are men out there like garster 7 that really takes whatever a beautiful latin woman tells him at face value and ignore red flags such as lies,lack of sexual affection, greed ect. Bad attitudes they would not have tolorated had she been an AW.


Title: Re: Re: Life Lessons...amen
Post by: Wasp on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Life Lessons...amen, posted by mar33 on Jan 19, 2004

This is so f...ed up it has to be real.


Don't ever go to Colombia. It costs $10,000 a plane ticket, and it is very, very dangerous. You'd probably be kidnapped right at the airport.



Title: Re: Re: Re: Life Lessons...amen
Post by: HeyNow on January 20, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Life Lessons...amen, posted by Wasp on Jan 19, 2004

Wasp, I think it is more like $20,000 a ticket.  Are you listening garsten?


Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Life Lessons...to heynow-and zack
Post by: garster7 on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Re: Life Lessons...amen, posted by HeyNow on Jan 20, 2004

Hey Now,

You have not managed to spell my handle correctly yet, its garster79, not airster or mester.  Zack thanks for the follow up I didnt turn my tale and run I had things to do today then I had work late into the night. And for the 100th time everyone I am NOT A TROLL. I did get married to her she was illegal and anyone can do it. I went to vegas, went to the city office to get the certificate on the application they ask if your not a citizen then check which visa you have, I told her to check that she was here on a work visa. They never asked to see it I payed the 80 dollars then we went to a chapel and got married. Her aunt was upset because she assumed it would be a civil wedding, when the preach went on about the "death do you part" etc we both felt very uncomfortable. (me and the pretend wife that is) But I thought it would play better later once we were being interviewed at the immigration office, which never happened.   Then of course later we found out there was no way I could petitiion her as my spouse since she was here illegally. She was also using a fake social security number, just one she made up, to get work. Another thing once she told me(after we were married) that she had a kid in Colombia which I didnt take very well but then the next day she said she was just kidding and had said that to test me. Very strange girl. I really dont think she thought about the consequences of her actions to clearly. Also I had a small birthday party with my friends and she was very shy and barley spoke a word to anyone, but was always self-expressive around me. Bye for now its 4:20 am and I need to get to sleep (no reference to any thing drug related met by that time, its just the time it is)Thanks and Pardon any grammer errors.



Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Life Lessons...to heynow-and zack
Post by: HeyNow on January 21, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Life Lessons...to heynow..., posted by garster7 on Jan 21, 2004

If this IS true (lotta lyin goin on here) won't you be looking at jail time later.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Life Lessons...amen
Post by: Fuzzyone on January 19, 2004, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Life Lessons...amen, posted by Wasp on Jan 19, 2004

I would think on the airplane myself.....