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Batman has a very intelligent and credible response on Caligringo.com to the defamatory allegations levelled against him on this board.  I call it to everyones' attention since its apparently ok to defame Batman here, but he is not allowed to respond.  To all those who "piled on" a few days ago after hearing one side of the story, please feel free to use the space below to apologize.

... in response to If I Might Be Serious for this Bat  Mome..., posted by burbuja2 on Jan 1, 2004

Apologize for WHAT? Come dude remember what his first site looked like
before he was kicked off this board? the nude photos really showed what
he was offering and Patrick had no problem figuring that out too!! In
regaurds to Charles... who owns the place? He does!! he has the right to
do what he pleases and did he defame batturd? I do not think so. Please
read all the post up on Caligringo fuuny how he is not reponding to
them.

... in response to Re: If I Might Be Serious for this Bat  ..., posted by Fuzzyone on Jan 1, 2004

Fuzzyone

Batman did respond on CaliGringo.com, yesterday, I believe.  Charles only posted his criticism here on 12/29 so that's a 2-day delay in responding.  Batman may have been travelling back to the US.  I don't know.

At this point I am leaning toward that CaliGringo theory that Charles began to see Batman's "business plan", so to speak, and decided that he didn't need a middle man.  But I can't prove that theory, and Charles can post his counterpoint here.

Steve

... in response to Hold the BatPhone!, posted by DallasSteve2 on Jan 1, 2004

Actually he responded in a post before you posted that you wanted to
post his story here.... it is not real hard to see what his intend was...

... in response to Re: Hold the BatPhone!, posted by Fuzzyone on Jan 1, 2004

Duh!  I was responding to his post.

Steve

... in response to Re: Re: Hold the BatPhone!, posted by DallasSteve2 on Jan 1, 2004

I had problems with my xray vision......

... in response to Hold the BatPhone!, posted by DallasSteve2 on Jan 1, 2004

Hey Steve,
Did I give you permission to post my girlfriend's photo on Caligringo???

Yeah, I wish....nice pic

... in response to Hold the BatPhone!, posted by DallasSteve2 on Jan 1, 2004

How much someone can get started with a web site and 2 rented rooms.Batman will probably do OK at something.

Pete

... in response to Its interesting, posted by Pete E on Jan 1, 2004

Which reminds me of the motto of the 90s:

Everybody else is getting rich, why not me?

I should probably stop spending so much time here.

Steve

... in response to Ain't that the truth, posted by DallasSteve2 on Jan 1, 2004

Steve,
You have to decide what is important to you,and don't underestimate the value of this board as a means to express.
You and Burbuja have been hilarious recently.It lightens up the sometimes overly serious tone.Its fun to read and probably more fun to come up with.
Money is only a means to get something else you want.You have to decide what that really is and you might even find you already have it.I know it doesn't seem like it when there are more bills than money.

Pete

... in response to Ain't that the truth, posted by DallasSteve2 on Jan 1, 2004

Hey and Steve I hope that is not a photo of your wife you posted just to
rub the rest of our noses in it......

... in response to Re: Ain't that the truth, posted by Fuzzyone on Jan 1, 2004

No, it's not my wife.  It's a Colombian television star.  I'm waiting to see if anyone recognizes her.

Steve

... in response to Re: Re: Ain't that the truth, posted by DallasSteve2 on Jan 1, 2004

Can't tell you the name, but she looks a lot like the actress that starred in the Telenovela "Baby Sister" or "Baby Sitter"

Have seen her in several comercials,,,,

Dean

... in response to Re: Re: Ain't that the truth, posted by DallasSteve2 on Jan 1, 2004

No I think I have to start watching more of the spanish channel so I know
those girls....

... in response to If I Might Be Serious for this Bat  Mome..., posted by burbuja2 on Jan 1, 2004

Well I read Batman's response on Caligringo.com and I don't buy his story; hell it isn't that good of a story to begin with.  Batman seems like a sleazebag to me.

... in response to Re: If I Might Be Serious for this Bat  ..., posted by lswote on Jan 1, 2004

Are there any reasons why "you don't buy his story", or is your conclusion merely intuitive?

... in response to A Well Considered Response, lswote, posted by burbuja2 on Jan 1, 2004

My reasons are more than intuitive.  I would say it is based more on experience with persons with attitudes and actions similar to Batman's.  Two points that stuck out in his post on Caligringo that set off an alarm to me were:

1. He says his girlfriend of 3 years is 19 now.  That would have made her 16 when they met.  I feel that that is an inappropriate age for a healthy relationship and it seems to me he is exploiting the naivity of her youth.  Someone her age can not make a reasoned decision on what she wants in a relationship.

2.  He said he does owe Charles a few hundred dollars rent and he will send him a check.  I have heard more than a few "the check is in the mail" stories and they rarely end well.  With all the planning that went into this tour, certainly a legitimate deal would at least include prompt payment, not a "I'll send you a check".  Even if he is a bit unhappy with the way the tour ended, he still has an obligation to pay promptly since he was provided with the agreed lodging.  I don't know enough about Charles to form a clear opinion of his actions in the situation, but clearly it seems the rooms were provided as agreed and it was bad faith and actions on Batman or Batman's clients part that caused things to end badly.

Besides the post there was his website that was a bit risque in my opinion when he first put it up.  To me, it indicated that he placed a higher emphasis on sex over relationships.  While this in and of itself isn't a terrible thing, coupled with all the other things I have seen from him indicates to me he is the kind of person who takes advantage of people and situations and not one who does the right thing by people.

... in response to Re: A Well Considered Response, lswote, posted by lswote on Jan 2, 2004

I think maybe the most important thing to point out is what batman
stated.. it was 3:am in the morning the girls in the room were 16 but
they were relatives of his girlfriend and they were just dancing. I do not
know about any where else but up here if that happened you are going
to jail plain and simple. It does not take a brain surgeon to figure out
what really was going on and for any man here to say hey it was just a
misunderstanding then you then you a trip to the local jail to meet some
of these scum bags who take advantage of under age girls, and since you
asked yes I have two daughters and it does offend me!

... in response to Re: Re: A Well Considered Response, lswo..., posted by Fuzzyone on Jan 2, 2004

Does his girlfriend recruit her relatives as well as other  minor young girls?. I'm sure she is used as a pawn to lure young girls for Batman's services because they are easy targets.This story gets worse and worse.There is no excuse batman can give for his behavior. None at all.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: A Well Considered Response, ..., posted by mar33 on Jan 2, 2004

it seems others can which is sad indeed....

... in response to A Well Considered Response, lswote, posted by burbuja2 on Jan 1, 2004

I don't really buy it.  For reasons both clear and things one must read between the lines.  I saw Batman's earliest posts (advertisements) when he was still a member here, and the images, the nudity and the sales pitch just had a feel to it that was pretty dubious.  If memory serves, the implication at that time was that the house and car were all his...and well, while I don't know the details, something smelled funny.

As far as the working girls go, while I personally don't have a problem with it, this is simply not the place for it at all.  I can imagine trying to explain to (a girl, my mother, whatever) "Yes I found out about my wife through planet-love where we talk about where to find brides and program girls."  It simply doesn't belong here.  And the Batman scenario pretty much implies that soft-hooking had or would occur at "his" house.

But the clincher, which someone else picked up on at caligringo is:
"I only offered introductions to reagular girls who work, go to school or are just plain friends of my 3 year Cali novia who is 19 herself."

I beleive the definition of 'novia' is technically 'fiancèe'.  I think its ok in this case, since Batman has shown such profound judgement about hawking (someone else's) house and nude girls on planet-love, that he and his fiance had a platonic relationship all along.

I want to be clear that I am not saying that Batman is a bad guy or an immoral guy and is lying all of the time.  But I know bad judgement when I see it, and posting on (an essentially public) website that You have been dating 16yo in Colombia is just the latest example.

Ciao

PS:  I also find the "I can't pay you until I get back to US" dubious.  There are a myriad of ways to do that, with ATM, cash, and recpts.

... in response to Re: A Well Considered Response, lswote, posted by Locii on Jan 2, 2004

Iswote is a pretty smart guy.
The thing I remember the most is Batman stating HE was the owner of the house from the start.when someone pointed out that was a picture of Charle's and his wife in Batman's house,and also the furniture looked like the one in Charle's house. Batman said he bought the house furniture and all,that was why the pics and everything where in there.. Did'nt he also say he paid cash for it,and explained the money transfer for it? $130,000 I believe he said it cost him.
   I also remember him stating he has made such wise investments, he can literally retire now. For a man with so much business savvy and money, he is ceratinly looking to make peanuts and potentially taint his reputaion starting a whorehouse. There are tons of business oppurtunities out there for someone with lots of money to invest.
   Also, he said his father was in business and he has read all books concerning how to be rich.I have never read a book which reccomends prostition as a key to riches.
   About the 16 year old girlfriend(now 19). I sort of remember he implied he was able to fool around with other girls because she allows it.He is into very young girls, because they are easily manipulated. I do not think he really gets it that a grown man who dates a girl that young is not very ethical.
   The lies he told from the very begining cannot be overlooked,now that he is making excuses. A lie is a lie no matter what.
      Mark