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Well, she called today just as I expected right on time...with the words, honey can you pick me up at the mall. I threw in a few questions for good measure and just let it go. Sure I said I'll be there, when? Ok, between 6 and 6:30 pm.

I left early from work went home and grabbed her belongings and arrived early at the mall in the area next to the entrance where she said the shuttle was to drop her. I placed all her remaining luggage near the outdoor shrubs in front of a Wolfgang Pucks cafe ( I normally hate those places). I sat down behind the outdoor cafe barrier in a corner just off from the direct vision she would have, yet close enough to just to keep an eye on her and the luggage. Then I ordered a few Sierra Nevada microbrews and waited. Sure enough around 6:45 a super shuttle pulled up and dropped her off. She sat down and looked around curiously for me...probably wondering where is he.(The nerve).  

While I was at work today reading many of your kind condolances I was really thankful for all the support...All you people, I really appreciate it now..Don't worry, though I know I will get over it and move on.

So part of what I did today also was write her my thoughts in a letter and placed it in an envelope, kind of a reflective perspective on us, on her and what she did with Angelo and how this all evolved. I was really quite gentle given my state of mind and actually controlled my wording well and even wished her well in her new life of deception (just kidding) and told her to look around for her luggage it was within eyes view...What a guy..huh?

Anyway back to Wolfgangs..it's now about a good hour or so after she was dropped off and she is stirring around in an anxious mode. I am smiling while alternating my Micro brews and watching her squirm out of the corner of a menu that I occasionally held up when she peered my direction...It was all like some detective novel, it was all to much like who I used to be, it was almost to easy...but I was writing the script this time. Then I motioned my waitress over and ask her if she would mind doing a favor...I said I would give her a nice tip if she wouldn't mind going in front of the outdoor cafe area and give a letter to that woman sitting over there. I told her to tell her it was from her ex-fiance...who had left an hour ago...(Ok I fibbed a little) So she did. The letter was delivered and I watched her as she gradually deflated just like a slow tire loosing air...and then their is nothing left. It was a blank look, a stare of unbelief. and gradually she looked around and saw her luggage...then I think it all really began to sink in.

No more fiance...And for her no more person to use. Reality bites hard. And now we both will move on. Thanks again to all you who have given thoughts and words of support. And for Tneal and Hum I hope this was adequate enough to give you at least a slight smile of remdemption towards me. No, I didn't use a silencer, I didn't use a timing device or hi-tech listening gear in my mellow avengement..opps I am not supposed to talk about that. To much Single malt scotch on top of micro brews. But, I will sleep well tonight.. Good night all.

Zeb

... in response to The end, posted by Zebson on Jul 25, 2001

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... in response to The end, posted by Zebson on Jul 25, 2001

Hi, I normally don't post in this forum but in the latin one but I have followed your story and couldn't resist to let you know that I am really sorry about all this happening to you. I know thant more than the money or the time put into this relationship, your feelings have been hurt in such a bad manner.

I am mysefl married to a sweet American man with a great heart. If I wansn't married to him and he was my friend or brother I will hate to see that someone did something as bad as she did to you. It is easier to say "your coldness will justify her behavior" but that is not true at all. As a woman, I don't justify her behavior. As a woman, I put myself in your situation and think about how it would hurt me if that would have happened to me.

I am glad that you were strong enough to do what you did and not letting her to come back to you as nothing have happened. I am glad that you found the truth about her before you marriage her. You were going to suffer a lot with her but know you have to think about the future. There is always an opportunity to be happy and find true love.

God bless

Georgina

... in response to My thoughts, posted by Georgina on Jul 25, 2001

Thanks for your understanding nature Georgina...

It's nice to hear that coming from a woman, especially since the forum seems to mainly get input from us guys.

Zeb

... in response to The end, posted by Zebson on Jul 25, 2001

Although I was worried that you were drinking and that you were going to confront her.  Looks like your head is in the right place.

Jon

... in response to The end, posted by Zebson on Jul 25, 2001

Well Zeb:
You're colder than I would have been, but glad to hear you've thrown off at least one yoke. As Carisse said, you've probably given her justification for doing what she did, if only in her own mind. Best of luck to you.
-- Jeff S.

... in response to Re: The end, posted by Jeff S on Jul 25, 2001

justification? Nothing justifies what she did. In her eyes , she justified it...why?? Because she wanted to be with another man. She hurt the one person who loved and trusted her here in America.
Did he beat her?? Did he verbaly abuse her?? That would justify leaving...but not to the arms of another man. I just don't "get" it.

... in response to Re: Re: The end, posted by Lori on Jul 26, 2001

Re-reading my own post, I see how I really didn't express what I was trying to say very well. I didn't mean to imply I thought she was justified for seeing another guy when Zeb was the one bringing her over. What I meant to say was that since she was impersonally dumped, she probably was able to justify in her own mind that she was right in keeping her options open. Had he confronted her, busted her, explained how he had a zero tolerance for her actions handed her a ticket home, and called Supershuttle to have her picked up, she would have no ammunition for thinking of him as anything but a straight-up, honest guy and she was the only one who screwed up big time. Perhaps I'm being naieve, but looking back on my own life, I've always felt far more regret when I was the one who screws something up and the other person expresses their intolerance and doles out the consequences calmly without retaliatory action.

I believe her actions were very wrong and unforgivable, and no quarter should have been given. Zeb was absolutely right in dumping her - someone who would do that is not marriage material. As many have pointed out, he OWES her nothing, not even a ticket home, and I agree with that. But, now that the initial anger has died down a bit, I'm glad to see that he is planning to buy her a ticket home. He doesn't owe her that but that he is willing to take care of it shows his character in spite of her lack of character.

-- Jeff S.

... in response to Re: The end, posted by Jeff S on Jul 25, 2001

Jeff,

Well, I don't get this 'justification' stuff or 'her pain' stuff.  It's clear that she had been planning this deception for over a year and didn't really love him at all (or else she wouldn't be capable of doing such a thing).

IMO, such coldness should be considered a normal response, if not a restrained and somewhat compassionate one.  Zeb owes her nothing - least of all the deportment of a gentleman.

Jim

... in response to Re: coldness, posted by Jimbo on Jul 25, 2001

Jim,

I don't get this 'justification' stuff or 'her pain' stuff either. It has been my first hand experience that  most people will lie to themselves and others, to justify their actions. In other words..."They will blame you anyway."

Dave H.

... in response to Re: coldness, posted by Jimbo on Jul 25, 2001

n/t

... in response to Re: The end, posted by Jeff S on Jul 25, 2001

BULL CRAP! JEFF!   JUSTIFICATION?!

... in response to Re: Re: The end, posted by humabdos on Jul 25, 2001

"JUSTIFICATION?!"

He's talking about women's logic.  It doesn't make a whole heck of a lot of sense to us, but then we are not saddled with that extra X chromosome.  It goes something like this:

MAN'S LOGIC:
I loved her, but she cheated on me, therefore I can never trust her again.  So I must let her go.

WOMAN'S LOGIC:
He dumped me, therefore he must have never loved me.  Since it was doomed to fail anyway, I was justified in seeking another man/sponsor as a back-up option to secure my future.

It doesn't make sense and it doesn't make it right.  Evil always finds its own justification.

The best part is she probably still doesn't realize how badly she blew it.  Even if she marries this other guy, she will STILL have to return home to file the I-130 to be able to come back.  And when the INS and U.S. embassy sees her history (plus whatever little notes Zebson may want to include in her file), they will be in no hurry to grant her her next visa.

Zebson will do fine.  Helen will survive somehow.  Who I really pity is whatever shmuck ends up marrying this deceitful little trollop.

[key music]
Well, I heard some people talkin' just the other day
And they said you were gonna put me on a shelf.
But let me tell you I got some news for you
And you'll soon find out it's true
And then you'll have to eat your lunch all by yourself.

'Cause I'm already gone
And I'm feelin' strong
I will sing this vict'ry song, woo, hoo,hoo,woo,hoo,hoo

The letter that you wrote me made me stop and wonder why
But I guess you felt like you had to set things right.
Just remember this, my girl, when you look up in the sky
You can see the stars and still not see the light (that's right).

And I'm already gone
And I'm feelin' strong
I will sing this vict'ry song, woo, hoo,hoo,woo, hoo,hoo

[fade to black]

... in response to Already Gone, posted by Bob S. on Jul 25, 2001

Right On Bob!!!

Dave H.

... in response to Already Gone, posted by Bob S. on Jul 25, 2001

BOB:

Evil always finds its own justification.

STEPHEN:

Yes.  I believe it is the book of Proverbs in the Old Testament that says "Every mans way are right in his own sight".  We always find a way to make a justificaiton for behaving as we have.

I like your post.

Especially that song....That's Willie Nelson and you heard it in Stillwater, OK....Right?

Good to hear from you again.

Stephen

... in response to Re: Already Gone, posted by Stephen on Jul 25, 2001

"Especially that song....That's Willie Nelson and you heard it in Stillwater, OK....Right?"

Close.  Eagles, Greatest Hits Vol 1.  That whole southern rock/country genre is good for when the sould is feeling lonesome.  Either that or Fleetwood Mac "Chains" for break-up music. :-)

... in response to Re: Already Gone, posted by Stephen on Jul 25, 2001

Try renting his starring and directed video movie "The Red Headed Stranger", he's singing in this movie, playing the part of a Preacher getting married and taking his new bride away from the life of luxury. She left him for another Guy she had waiting on the side, so in a fit of rage he searched them out and killed them. Good movie..took it to RP and my Mahal realy liked it especially his singing. One noticeable thing about Willie is his eyes hehehe. Mr Peabody

... in response to Speaking of Willie Nelson.., posted by greg on Jul 25, 2001

Yes....Tess and I saw that movie this week.  I liked it.  

Have you seen it?

By the way, we also say a Matt Damon film called "ALL THE PRETTY HORSES".  I like that movie very much.  You should see it.

Stephen

... in response to Re: Re: The end, posted by humabdos on Jul 25, 2001

Well, maybe I've just never had my heart run through the wringer like some of you guys. This is my first marriage and I never really been hooked up with anyone who was that cold - stupid, yes, arrogant, yes, but not cold, deceptive and decietful as her. I sure would have liked to been there to see the reaction, though.
-- Jeff S.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: The end, posted by Jeff S on Jul 25, 2001

Hi Jeff,

I would have like to have been there too. I have been through the ringer real good, two times. I get a little smarter each time. ;o)) I am happy that there are some guys like yourself, that didn't have to go through this. The best catch you ever made as a fisherman, was your wife. She is worth more than all the fish in the sea. You are a wealthy man!

Dave H.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: The end, posted by Dave H2O on Jul 25, 2001

That's very nice of you to say. We kid each other about us having great taste, since we picked each other.
-- Jeff S

... in response to Gee, thanks, Dave, posted by Jeff S on Jul 25, 2001

Jeff,

It looks like I went through the bell (ringer). LOL I meant to post wringer.

The two of you (and the other happily married couples) are an inspiration to us guys and gals starting over. You are proof that a man can fish and his wife can be thrilled that he does. ;o))

Dave H.

... in response to The end, posted by Zebson on Jul 25, 2001

Zeb,

You needed that.  Sounds like the healing has already begun.  I hope you did sleep well last night.

Very Best Regards,
Jim

... in response to The end, posted by Zebson on Jul 25, 2001

You have a meaner streak in you than me.  But I like it.

Its only a few wasted years.  Mine wasted 24.

I wish I could clone my Honey and sale copies of her to some of you guys but Carisse would probably harass me for slavery. (hehehehe)

Bear

... in response to The end, posted by Zebson on Jul 25, 2001

Did she come over on a K1?
if so how did she leave a K1 without marrying you
or being deported

... in response to The end, posted by Zebson on Jul 25, 2001

Good for You. I would buy her a flight ticket, take her to the airport and send her home. I wouldn't make it easy for the next Guy, he would need to spend his own $$$$$$$$$'s to petition her back here. Good Luck, Mr Peabody

... in response to Re: The end..WoW!! Zebson, posted by greg on Jul 25, 2001

OK, Greg voluteered to buy the plane ticket and take her to the airport. Anyone else voluteer to buy her lunch? See Carrisse, she'll do just fine...:-)

Ray

... in response to The end, posted by Zebson on Jul 25, 2001

Zeb that brought a tear to my eye. I guess thats just what she deserved but... I can't help but feel sorry for her just like I do my ex-wife. I get no good feeling from this at all I would have loved to hear I was wrong, That she just sat there knitting or something.

I guess I am just an old softy because I wounder where she is what she will do where she will go? Does she have money? a place to stay?  

Guess she should have thought about that...

Its all very sad... :-( Its hard but I think you did the right thing Zeb.  As you said reality bites HARD... Humabdos

... in response to Re: The end, posted by humabdos on Jul 25, 2001

that's our Huma!

Jim :o)))

... in response to Re: The end, posted by humabdos on Jul 25, 2001

You couldn't be more wrong!

What was it that got your panties in a bunch anyway! lol
Yoke of hate! lol Thats a good one you crack me up!   Humabdos

... in response to Carr you are BUANG! LOL, posted by humabdos on Jul 25, 2001

20 Hail Marys, 10 Our Fathers and 100 Glory Be's.  You will also get unlimited spam mails from Fabulousfavors.com as well as Boeing.com.

Also please don't forget to put in your contribution as you go out the door.

... in response to For that you get, posted by C on Jul 25, 2001

Carr I am really sorry if that offended you its a old saying here when someone gets upset about something.  I have really put my self back a ways  recently . I think its all this with Zeb then Vivian returning and also the DOM over on Maganak who want help getting his 17 year old little girl over here. Then posting her photo in a very short mini skirt at the same time telling us what a good little girl she is.  Guess I blew a fuse with all this crap. I think its best I don't post for a while. Humabdos

... in response to Re: For that you get, posted by humabdos on Jul 25, 2001

Hum,

...don't forget to say, "I shall return!" Just joking! Life would be boring without you. ;o)) I have been feeling a little down lately myself. Watching programs on the Philippines and seeing the kids living in the streets, under bridges and on the Smoky Mountain Dump. Remembering the children with no shoes and the sick begging. Reading and seeing first hand, Americans taking advantage of poor Filipinas. Reading about Filipinas taking advantage of Americans. Either way, it is wrong! Seeing an intelligent, beautiful, happy people, turn on one another in jealousy. Sometimes I feel that I love the people of the Philippines more than they love themselves. Having Filipinos tell me  "All things American are best." "White skin is more beautiful." Someone once told me I couldn't save the world. A friend recently told me that I couldn't save the Philippines. Maybe not, but I hope that it always moves me to shed a tear and help when I can. Jose Rizal truly loved the Philippines and can teach us all a lesson:

"Farewell, adored Fatherland; our Eden lost, farewell;
Farewell, O Sun's loved region, pearl of the eastern sea;
Gladly I die for thy dear sake; yea, thou knowest well
Were my sad life more radiant far than mortal tongue could tell, Yet would I give it gladly, joyously for thee.
On blood-stained fields of battle, fast locked in maddening strife, Thy sons have dying blest thee, untouched by doubt or fear. No matter wreaths of laurel; no matter where our life ebbs out On scaffold or in combat, or under torturer's knife, We welcome death, if for our hearths, or for our country dear. Pray for those who died alone, betrayed, in wretchedness; For those who suffered for thy sake torments and misery; For broken hearts of mothers who weep in bitterness; For widows, tortured captives, orphans in deep distress; And pray for thy dear self, that thou may'st finally be free. Farewell, adored country; I leave my all with thee, Beloved Philippines, whose soil my feet have trod, I leave with thee my life's love deep; I go where all are free; I go where are no torturers, where the oppressor's power shall be Destroyed, where faith kills not, where he who reigns is God. Farewell, my parents, brothers, friends of my childhood days, Dear fragments of my heart, once to my bosom pressed Round our lost hearth. Give thanks to God in glad tranquillity, That after day's long weary hours, I sleep eternally. Farewell, beloved friends and stranger sweet; to die is but to rest."              Jose Rizal

Dave H.

... in response to Hum, get out of here!!! But..., posted by Dave H2O on Jul 25, 2001

In Manila, two months ago, my fiance recited those words while walking in his footsteps. She told me his story as we walked from his last prison cell and out the main gate. That was the day we had her interview and approval. In two days we will be married. Your post reminded me of some special times and feelings. Thanks FL

... in response to Thanks Dave, posted by FL on Jul 25, 2001

from us too!  We were at the Rizal Shrine in May - Quite a place.  Maybe we walked right past you FL.

Jim

... in response to Re: Thanks Dave, posted by Jimbo on Jul 25, 2001

My fiance's dream was to visit the shrine from the time she was very young(from Cebu). We were also there on Election day and the shrine was closed, the fort completely empty other then us, very haunting experience......

... in response to Re: Re: Thanks Dave, posted by FL on Jul 25, 2001

FL,

I just checked with the wife and actually we were there at the end of April.  On election day we were at Tia's Cottages in Camiguin; it was empty except for a 12 man squad of AFP armed with an M-60 gun, two M-79 grenade launchers, and M-14s and 16s.  We felt very safe.

Congratulations on your imminent wedding!

Jim

... in response to April 26, posted by Jimbo on Jul 25, 2001

Hi Jimbo,

That M-60 is a nice gun. They are almost as big as the average Filipino and weigh 23 pounds, plus those heavy ammo belts. Did they have it mounted on a tripod? With all of those weapons, I would have been real nice!

"This is my rifle, this is my gun. This is for fighting, this is for fun!"

Dave "Rambo" H.

... in response to Did they have bullets?, posted by Dave H2O on Jul 25, 2001

Hi Dave,

They had a duece-and-a-half with ammo crates and the tripod stored there too.  Every morning they would head out in the truck and set up a couple of road blocks on the highway.  At night they would come back to Tia's and relieve me from  my Abu Sayyaf watch.

They stayed for over a week; I thought it was because they seemed to enjoy watching my wife go swimming.  Maybe that's why they would always smile when we came through the roadblocks on our Yamaha 125 :o)

Jim

... in response to Did they have bullets?, posted by Dave H2O on Jul 25, 2001

Election day, Manila, riding in a taxi, asked the driver if he had voted...He said "Yes, I voted the filipino way" as he held up his hand in the shape of a gun. BTW, day after elections, read the elections were peaceful compared to other years..only 50 some canidates were assasinated, not counting a dozen or so botched attempts.....

... in response to Thanks Dave, posted by FL on Jul 25, 2001

N/T

... in response to Congratulations FL! Best Wishes! (n/t), posted by Dave H2O on Jul 25, 2001

Thanks, Aren't you somewhere in the waiting process? If so, you must be at the latter end of it?  FL

... in response to Re: Congratulations FL! Best Wishes! (n/..., posted by FL on Jul 25, 2001

Hi FL,

We are in the final phase. My fiancee will be scheduling her medical at St. Lukes this or early next week. Time to start cleaning and fixing up the house...so she can come and reclean and rearrange it. ;o))

Dave H.

... in response to Yes..., posted by Dave H2O on Jul 25, 2001

Well a Good Luck and Congratulations are in order!! At least Congrats on being in the final stretch and Good Luck on the house....FL

... in response to Re: Yes..., posted by FL on Jul 25, 2001

FL,

I will need Good Luck with the house! Six years as a bachelor, raising two sons. ;o)

... in response to Thanks FL!, posted by Dave H2O on Jul 26, 2001

Is it to late to demolish and rebuild?

... in response to Re: Thanks FL!, posted by FL on Jul 26, 2001

N/T

... in response to Re: The end, posted by humabdos on Jul 25, 2001

Carrisse, everyone has their own method for healing. Like Zeb said, at least he'll sleep good tonight. I'd be willing to wager that he gets over it a lot faster than most do.

And take it easy on Hum. You'd probably have a hard time getting over it too if you lost your only vacuum cleaner to a gold digger :-)

OBTW, I see you're plugging Boeing again on here. Sounds like more spam to me (ROFL).

Ray

... in response to Huh?, posted by Ray on Jul 25, 2001

Quite frankly...his plan could have been a whole lot colder than it was.

You feel Helen's pain because you're a woman???  She left Zeb to go to a motel room so she could spend a week boinking another guy. I don't think any of the men here would have been feeling Zeb's pain if Helen had dumped him because HE left her alone for a week while he checked into a motel to have sex with another woman.

... in response to Re: Don't mind me Ray, posted by Allan on Jul 25, 2001

Hi Allan,

You cut right to the heart of the matter in 3 lines. You are absolutely, 100% correct in my book. I would feel no pain if it was the other way around. I don't believe in defending my species, sex, race, religion, political party affliation, relatives, kids, or myself, when we are wrong.

Dave H.

... in response to Thanks Allan!, posted by Dave H2O on Jul 25, 2001

nt

... in response to Huh?, posted by Ray on Jul 25, 2001

Helen has been here for just a month. She's engaged to Zebson (her passport to America). He has paid for her way over here and she's staying in his house. But now she's in the arms of another man.

    I think she planned it even before she got here. I feel what Zeb did was just. I don't know where she got the courage to do this stupid thing. Maybe she thought Zebson will never find it out.

    Yes, I'm also a woman but I will not tolerate or give compassion for what she did. I feel sorry that she would do such a foolish thing.

my .o2 cents.

Tess

... in response to Re: Don't mind me Ray...tess, posted by Stephen on Jul 25, 2001

It's nice to hear the thoughts of an objective and thoughtful woman.

Jim

... in response to Re: The end, posted by humabdos on Jul 25, 2001

CARRISSE:

Zeb, you could have killed her with kindness. But hate has overtaken you and its too late for that now. All I can say is you've given her the reasons to justify her behavior.

STEPHEN:

I'm not sure I grasp what you are getting at.  It sounds like your approach would be for Zeb to play dumb and be real sweet.  Helen would feel guilty that way.

However, now that Zeb has kicked her out she will feel that she is justified in her behavior.

Remember that there are some people that kindness does not work on.  They think that your kindness and graciousness just demonstrate how stupid you are.  So the go ahead an justify their behavior that way.

I think that her behavior should have been confronted.

Perhaps you could clarify your thoughts for us.

Stephen

... in response to Re: My epiphany, posted by Stephen on Jul 25, 2001

Stephen,

I agree! Kindness only works on people with a conscious and a sense of guilt. Kindness doesn't kill cold hearted people. They despise you more and consider you weak and stupid. Helen wanted to be on her own. Why should Zeb enable her in any way now? He is simply giving her the independance that she wanted.

Dave H.

... in response to Mein Kampf..., posted by Dave H2O on Jul 25, 2001


And remember this, as a biology metaphor.  "Independent" or "free-living" is the opposite of being a parasite.  Zeb shook Helen free before she gained strong enough grip of sinking her teeth into is flesh.  If she was allowed to gain a firmer stronghold, Zebson's blood would have been sucked dry and he would have died (metaphorically speaking).  Zebson would have lost his sanity, dignity, and financial well being, as well as probably his health.

-  Kevin

... in response to Re: The end, posted by humabdos on Jul 25, 2001

What Helen did was wrong.

There are consequences of wrong behavior.

If others shelter her from these consequences then it does not teach her to do the right thing.  Sometimes....the best therapy is to let people taste the reward of their own behavior.

Zeb did the right thing.  He acted in accord with reality.

Stephen

... in response to Re: Re: The end, posted by Stephen on Jul 25, 2001

n/t

... in response to Re: Re: The end, posted by Stephen on Jul 25, 2001

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... in response to The end, posted by Zebson on Jul 25, 2001

Its happened to me too bro. Just forget it and dont look back. Youll find someone new.

... in response to The end, posted by Zebson on Jul 25, 2001

Good job.  I wish you could have filmed it.

I agree that you have no obligation to buy her plane ticket home.  After all, she wants to be independent.  

Get on with your life.  There are other fish in the sea.  

Stephen

... in response to No....Just 'The Beginning" of the r..., posted by Stephen on Jul 25, 2001

And just thank God that you found out before you married her.  

Frankly, you should focus on what a very lucky man you are.

... in response to The end, posted by Zebson on Jul 25, 2001

Zeb,

It must feel like a load has been lifted off your shoulders. I know that it was tough. I am sure it is bittersweet, but you did real good. I am impressed with your restraint and awesome technique. If I ever go through this again (I sure hope not!), I am using you as my role model. When I dumped my ex, it wasn't so dramatic. Although I did manage to get a standing ovation from the rednecks in the Waffle House. Thanks again boys! ;o)

There is nothing better than Single Malt Scotch...I must have tried them all. Good night to you Sir! Pleasant dreams of a brighter tomorrow. It is on its way.

Dave H.

... in response to Goodnight Zeb..., posted by Dave H2O on Jul 25, 2001

Dave, you dumped your ex in a waffle house? Did you tell this story on here before? I don't seem to remember that one. How about a repeat???

Thanks,

Ray

... in response to Waffle House?, posted by Ray on Jul 25, 2001

Ok Ray,

I will tell the story, then I am going to bed. This is the long version.

My ex began sleeping with her back to me. She was so close to the other side of the bed, I was amazed that she didn't fall off. One day she told me that she had to work late that night. I found it unusual, since they never did. I decided to drive over and park across a canal from the Western Store she worked at. I hid my car (fire dept.), then went and sat under a big ficus tree, in total darkness. They were having a sidewalk sale. Right on schedule, the employees began pulling in all the displays around 8:30 PM, as they always did. She was going in and out with a tall, thin, dorky looking guy, with a huge cowboy hat. He seemed to walk on his toes. I kept looking for her potential suitor. At 9:00, everyone exited the door and headed to their pickups. Her's was parked next to the tall guys. The two of them got into their trucks and drove off together, in the wrong direction. I ran back to my car, but they were out of sight. I tried to figure out where they had gone...a bar...a hotel.... I was about to give up and was on my way home, when I saw her (my) truck at the Waffle House. I skidded, did a bootleg turn and drove my car across a field until I reached the parking lot. I jumped the curb and skidded in behind her. A couple of ladies in the parking lot jumped, but then seemed to relax when the saw the fire department emblem on the door. I sat and thought about what I was going to do next. I had a fire ax in the trunk. But, OJ was on trial and had already captured everyone's attention. I also new that I couldn't afford Johnny Cochran. I open the truck's door with my spare key and popped open the hood. I was going to pull a few wires and leave her stranded. Then I realized that I was paying for the truck and if she left it there, it might get damaged or she might have it towed. Either way, it was my truck and my money. I closed the hood and paced back and forth. I finally was able to calm myself and headed for the door of the Waffle House, without a weapon.

I spotted her sitting across from the dorky "cowboy" in the far booth. I  began walking directly toward them. They were holding hands and chatting. He noticed me coming first, then turned away. I kept coming and he mentioned it to her. She looked up startled, as I reached the table. They both had that deer in the headlights look. In I loud, but calm voice, I said, "So this is what you do when you are supposed to be working late." Then I turned to him and said, "It seems you have already met my wife. I tell you what...you want her? You can keep her. She's your problem now." She mumbled something about two friends just having dinner. I told her that her "belongings" (S-word) would be in front of the house and not to wake the kids when she got there. (My neighbor was at my house watching them) I turned around to head for the door. I had forgotten about the audience. The people looked startled, then people started clapping, cheering and whistling. A couple good old boys patted me on the back and told me, "Ya did real good son. It'll be all right." Thanks again boys...wherever you are. You were right! It was all I could do to stay on my feet when I got outside. Somehow I managed to get to my car. I was shaking and still filled with adrenaline. I wanted to fight and waited for a few minutes. Somehow, I knew I had best get out of there.

I have never eaten in a Waffle House again. I know my ex has and I heard it brings back "fond" memories. Everywhere she goes, all Waffle Houses look the same. Her sister says that she refuses to sit in that one "special" booth. LOL

Good Night,

Dave H.

... in response to Hold the Waffles..., posted by Dave H2O on Jul 25, 2001

Better than I would have.
-- Jeff S.

... in response to Ya done good, son!, posted by Jeff S on Jul 25, 2001

N/T

... in response to Hold the Waffles..., posted by Dave H2O on Jul 25, 2001

Some story, bro...yeeesh! I tell ya what. Next time I'm in yer neck of Florida I'll treat you to IHOP...you look like you could USE a "rootie tootie fresh and fruty." ;)

Pete

... in response to There's always IHOP...=0, posted by Pete on Jul 25, 2001

Hi Pete,

I could use a "rootie tootie fresh and fruty." ;o) It used to hurt, but now I find the whole thing funny. My not eating at Waffle House has become a running joke. When we went to North Carolina with my brother's family last year, they ate breakfast at the Waffle House. My boys and I went across the street to the Burger King (which they preferred). Then my brother and his wife sat in the infamous booth and waved at me. I thought that I was going to die from laughing so hard.

At first it seemed that the pain would never go away. A few years further down the road, it all seems so trivial. I wonder how I ever let it hurt me so bad. ;oD

Dave H.

... in response to Hold the Waffles..., posted by Dave H2O on Jul 25, 2001

But Dave, I _always_ eat at the Waffle House when I'm in Florida.  Does this mean we have to eat someplace else when we come down to visit you and Marife?

Jim :o)))

... in response to Re: Hold the Waffles..., posted by Jimbo on Jul 25, 2001

Jim,

It's no longer a problem. The first booth I am going to sit in is that "special one." I just want to see what it feels like. ;o)))

Dave H.

... in response to No problem!6u, posted by Dave H2O on Jul 25, 2001

That's a relief.  It would be hard to imagine a trip to Florida without the fun of eating grits among rednecks :o)

If you do sit in that "special booth", maybe it will mean that not only has the old baggage been checked, but lost forever - Way to go Dave!

Jim

... in response to whew!, posted by Jimbo on Jul 25, 2001


Perhaps baked beans and whiskey might be something new on the menu.

- Kevin

... in response to No problem!6u, posted by Dave H2O on Jul 25, 2001

Jim,

I don't know how the "6u" got there. I wasn't trying to leave some kind of mysterious hieroglyphics. ;o)))

... in response to "6u"?, posted by Dave H2O on Jul 25, 2001

I just figured you had bought Lori's old keyboard (and retirement was tougher than I thought!!?!)

Jim :o))

... in response to heck...., posted by Jimbo on Jul 25, 2001

Jim,

I was thinking about scraping together a few bucks to buy Lori a new keyboard. At first I thought she was typing some new sort of cute text that women often seem to do, like XOXOXO. Then I thought maybe she was typing some sort of spy message to the Vietcong. :o)) Now I'm getting paranoid. It must have been the North Carolina Moonshine. Maybe I'm allergic to corn. :o))

Dave H.

... in response to ROFLMAO!, posted by Dave H2O on Jul 25, 2001

ummm...I swear it's my keyboard and not treason.
mFunny thing is sometimes these u's come up and sometimes they don't.

Mo   It's really the Mo's I worry about :-o

... in response to Hold the Waffles..., posted by Dave H2O on Jul 25, 2001

Yep, ya did real good son. That must have been a sight to behold!

Good Night Dave and thanks for the story.

Ray

... in response to No Waffling Here, posted by Ray on Jul 25, 2001

N/T

... in response to Hold the Waffles..., posted by Dave H2O on Jul 25, 2001

Well, at least you were not smart enough not to mess up your truck.

Four or five months ago I was sitting in a resturant. There were maybe 10-15 people in the place, including a couple in their late 20's maybe early 30's, a white guy and a cute petettie latina. (he was a local, she turned out to be from Panama) Nothing much going on that looked unusual..they paid their check and left. About 5 minutes later we heard a car wreck but nobody got up to check, we all thought it was out on the major street that runs by the shopping center and that somebody with a cell phone was bound to have called it in if it was serious . About 5 minutes after that, I paid up and started to leave, the place was going to close in 10 minutes anyway. I went outside and pressed the remote and the lights on my car came on, then the guy (from the couple in the resturant) said "move, this guy wants to get his car out" and I looked and the latina was down on the ground behind my car. I though she was looking for an earring she dropped or something. I started the car. Before backing out, I looked to see if she was clear but I couldn't see her. I got out and walked behind the car and she was still down there, only this time she was crying and it was obvious there was something wrong. I asked "Is she sick?" and he said "The b**ch had it comming". One of the resturant workers and a couple more customers came out and saw us talking (with the girl still on the ground, now crying uncontrolibly) and he too asked if she was sick and the guy said "no, she ain't sick, she's mad about her car" and pointed to a brand new GMC SUV that was sideways up over the curb in the little grass island, with a street light pole burried about 2 feet deep in the passenger side door. I said "Da*n, how did she hit the pole at that angle?" and he said "Don't you see the truck on the other side of it?" The resturant worker and I and 5 or 6 other people walked around to the other side of the SUV and sure enough, there was a brand new Chevrolet pickup in the driver side door, the pickup was about 3 feet shorter than it should have been, and between the pickup and the pole, the SUV was now only about 2 feet wide. We said something like "man, what an accident" and he said "no, I hit her on purpose, like I SAID, the b**** had it comming" and he calmly walked over and started removing CD's and books and clothes and stuff from the SUV and throwing them on the ground, purposely breaking as much stuff as he could in the process. It was like something out of the Twilight-Zone. The guy just keeps breaking her stuff and calmy answers "yes"  when we ask him 4 or 5 times "you mean you ran into her on purpose?" and "was she in the SUV when you hit it?" Again he says "yes, she was trying to drive away, so I had to stop her" 4 or 5 times, in front of what is now at least a dozen witnesses.  Well of course by now, somebody has called the cops (the girl is still on the ground crying, a couple of the resturant ladies are trying to help her). Two cops show up and they want to know who owns the pickup and SUV and the guy says "I do"..cop says "which one do you own?" and the guy says "I own both of them, but I've been letting her use that one"   Cops have called for re-enforcements and are now talking to the girl over here (her English is not perfect, but even the cops can understand her), the guy over there and another cop is taking statements from us.  They talk and talk and ask us all the same things over and over, head cop wants to "just call it a lover spat and hey, it's not against the law to wreck you own trucks" and wants to let the guy go if he promisses to pay the shopping center to fix the lamp pole, and "thank you all for your statements, but there's really nothing more going on now." I guess I'm just an instigator, or maybe I just wanted to see the right thing done, I said "Hey, wait a minute officer, it might not be against the law to wreck your own truck, but she was IN the SUV when he hit it, he TOLD us that she was and that he hit her on purpose and we heard him tell YOU the same thing, so why aren't you arresting him for assult or something?" This gets me a very dirty "mind your own business" look from the  head cop, but a chorus of "yeah, what about it, cops? He tried to kill her and you ain't gonna do nothing about it?" from the other witnesses, so the head cop (although not very enthusisasticly) puts the cuffs on the guy and they put him in one of the cop cars and take him off, presumably to the jail, FINALLY, I mean the cops had been there over an hour, trying to find every excuse possible NOT to arrest the guy. A big tilt bed wrecker that the cops called arrived and hauled off both wrecked vehicles (and I mean they were both probably going to be totaled, the SUV for sure) and a couple of us offer to take the girl home but the last remaing cop (the only nice one of the bunch) says that he let her use his cell phone to call a friend and that he would stay with her until the friend arrived.

So, what had the "b***ch" done to "have it comming"? Well, right before they left the resturant, she had told him that she had decided she wasn't going to date him anymore. Her reason? Because he's too violent.......gee, you think?

One thing neither us witness nor the cops ever got quite clear, was she the MOB fiancee of the guy (which is what he claimed, AND said he would get INS to deport her, "they're gonna send you back, b***ch)") or was she up here from Panama on her own (which she claimed, maybe out of fear that he WOULD get her deported)

Just my opinon, but I don't care if she'd been playing him for a sugar daddy to the last year and a half, that's no excuse to run over her, and if there ever is a case for the MOB to claim abuse, this one is bona-fide.

... in response to Re: Hold the Waffles...(long....but inte..., posted by Michael B on Jul 25, 2001

Michael,

That is incredible! What a total jerk and friggin idiot! I am sure he will blame her for everything and continue to hurt other women. Too bad the light pole didn't break off and go through his chest. He deserved to become a human shish kabob. I've seen that a few times in my rescue days. Kind of strange when they are still talking to you. It gives them a chance to reflect on their life.

Dave H.

... in response to Re: Hold the Waffles...(long....but inte..., posted by Michael B on Jul 25, 2001

I can't stand those wanna-be cowboys who walk on their toes!!!! They primp in the mirror more than women do. They try to walk around with that "don't mess with me" attitude and it comes out more like, "I just mess myself". They have hundreds of those men in Lawton Oklahoma. Real tall and skinny in those wrangler(no butt) jeans.  You just weant to walk up to them and tip them over.

... in response to oh maaann..., posted by Lori on Jul 25, 2001

I'm an old cowhand
From the Rio Grande
But my legs ain't bowed
And my cheeks ain't tanned

I'm a cowboy who never saw a cow
Never roped a steer cause I don't know how
And I sure ain't fixin to start in now
Yipie ay oh kay ay..

As George Carlin once said, What's this about wearing a cowboy costume? You don't see people dressing up like any other 19th century folk heros. How many times do you see guys dressing up like pirates, for instance?

-- Jeff S.

... in response to As long as we're quoting song lyrics..., posted by Jeff S on Jul 25, 2001

Try out the world of reenacting which covers all time periods.

Jon

... in response to Uh..., posted by jon on Jul 25, 2001

Oh yeah - forgot about Rennissance fairs!

... in response to Re: Uh..., posted by Jeff S on Jul 25, 2001

Not only that:

Medieval, Roman, Napoleonic, American Rev, Indian Wars (FL area, Dave), Civil War, WWI, WWII, Vietnam...

Jon

... in response to Re: Re: Uh..., posted by jon on Jul 25, 2001

Hi Jon,

I haven't got involved in reenactment yet, but it looks like a lot of fun. Every year I go to the Medieval or Renaissance fair in my area and several Scottish festivals in the South-Eastern US. The last several years I have attended the Irish festival here. I have been to Indian Wars (Seminole) and Civil War reenactments. They are educational as well as lots of fun. Let's not forget the Alamo, Little Bighorn, and Wild West gun battle reenactments.

Dave H.

... in response to Good Fun!, posted by Dave H2O on Jul 25, 2001

I go to the local Fairs every year. Last time I promised my daughter we would go in costume. I got as far as actually buying the patterns to make them. If I had thought about it I would have taken the patterns to Vietnam and had them made there.
BTW--I just absolutly LOVE the Jousting Knights!!! I have always just wanted one of them to ride up to me on their horse, look deeply into my eyes, fall madly in love with me, and take me in the sunset on their horse....uhhh...uhhh...WAKE UP LORI*******SLAP******

... in response to Re: Re: Uh..., posted by jon on Jul 25, 2001

I always found those people who are into those sorts of things kind of odd. I do go to the big Indian pow-wow every August around here, but that's kind of a link to with the groups' heritage. When you find people dressing up in civil war uniforms, rennissance getups, star trek suits and other costumes, whether historical or fictional, I think they're just a bit "out there." :o)
-- Jeff

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Uh..., posted by Jeff S on Jul 25, 2001

It is a hobby that can attract wackos.

Jon

... in response to You are correct, posted by jon on Jul 25, 2001

WE arte not wacko's.....we like to think of ourselves as "free spirits"....uhhh.....right DAVE?

... in response to wait a minute.., posted by Lori on Jul 25, 2001

N/T

... in response to You are correct, posted by jon on Jul 25, 2001

We probably should have read Dave's post before we shot off our mouths. LOL
-- Jeff S.

... in response to Oops Jon, posted by Jeff S on Jul 25, 2001

Hi Jeff and Jon,

You are right! The Renaissance Fairs probably attract the most weirdoes. Although I haven't been to a Star Trek convention yet. LOL Some of the people are "professionals" that travel with the fairs. They usually take place on the weekends so that the more "normal" people (like Lori and myself) ;o)) can attend or participate. My interest is mainly that I am a history buff (medieval and Scottish weapons and musical instruments). I am not into living the lifestyle. ;o)) My son had music and history teachers that participated in our local Renaissance Fair. He got an "A" in each class for visiting them. Ok...that's it...I'm a freak, and I'm running away with the fair. I want to join the "Mud People." ;o)))

Dave H.

... in response to ROFLMAO!!!, posted by Dave H2O on Jul 25, 2001

nah nu nah nu. May the farce be with you! LOL
-- Jeff S.

... in response to Live long and prosper!, posted by Jeff S on Jul 25, 2001

oh, I see, Jeff. You know the secret language from the planet Ork. You are one of us. You must assimulate!!!!
nah nu nah nu....
---Mork from the planet Ork

... in response to busted!!!, posted by Lori on Jul 25, 2001

.. I am from France. Time to consume mass quantities.

... in response to oh maaann..., posted by Lori on Jul 25, 2001

Hi Lori,

It sounds a bit like my ex-wife's husband. He doesn't know much about horses, but he has all the latest Western fashions. I hear he is one hell of a line dancer. ;o)) I  like the guy however. He keeps my ex out of my hair. ;o)))

Dave H.

... in response to The end, posted by Zebson on Jul 25, 2001

Hi Zeb!

I think you did just fine by taking the high road. I wish I could have been there (just for the brew of course)...;-)

I don’t think you are under any obligation to buy her a ticket or put her on a plane. After all, she did say she wanted to try and make it on her own, right?

I wish you luck and hope you find the same happiness that many of us others have.

Ray