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Dear guys,

I sure would love to "check-out"cali!
It's a pity they do not have a beach (yes I know...i am spoild after living in Fortaleza for more then 2 years). I can imagine Cali can be very hot and humid...just like the inlands of Brasil??? And  that is not a pleasant thought for me:-(

But they sure have pretty ladies.But offcourse the OUTSIDE is NOT  the only thing that matters!!

I still say and have the opinion that they are the prettiest in ALL SA.....
It is not true that colombia has won so many times a Miss contest????(with Venezuela second best?)

Well now....how many times did Peru win or Bolivia???;-)None...my friends..0..nada.

It is all a matter of race. (I am sorry if i use this word...but I din't know of another word;it is not my intention to hurt anybody)Many Peruvians have many indian influences and that shows in their facial/body markings.
Sure Peru also has pretty latina girls...however most of them are very conceited and not open. In Peru class still plays a big role.
Yes there are pretty limenas.....and i even met a few! But I'd rather walk an hour through Cali (viewing more and more websites now) then 3 days through Lima!!
Besides that Lima is a HORROR city of smog...it hurts your eyes and shrinks your lungs as soon you'll get out of the plane:-( I'll never forget that eveil smel...
Sorry Georgina...no offense! Lima is a pretty city,but just that horrible smell.

I am attracted to the more "canela" (or "morena") styled girls. The mixed-types.....so to speak. I think they are gorgeous.
Purely white or black has not my intrest.

Are the calenas also intrested in European men???
With some many Amerikan men arround I sure think they only want to go to Amerika?
I mean I know most Amerikans make a larger income then we do.....adn Amerika is such a great country.
What changhe do I stand,being a German?
Sure we have The North-sea...OO and we have the "Oktober-Fest in Muenchen"...O yeah..right.
OO and "Sauerkraut mit Eisbein in the winter...yummy for Calenas...NOT!!
Besides that HERE they have to learn German....
And in winter it is cold with snow....and in automn it rains like hell. Come to think of it...mostly in spring it also rains like hell!!

The good thing is that I can talk to women at the street or in malls. BUT the bad thing is that I will NOT know what I get??;-)

Best wishes from Dortmund-Deutschland
(my City has a large Beer museum!!!!)

Hans-Erich.

... in response to question for the Cali-verterans among yo..., posted by HansErich on Aug 6, 2003

No offense. I wouldn't go myself to some parts of Lima. Lima has good barrios and others are not that so good. Should be the same with Germany. My husband has been in Germany three times for work. Some lovely little places in Germany, but others were pretty dirty and scary.

Besides of all the good things the United States has to offer. Its men have a reputation of making good and faithful husbands.

Whats more? It is easier for someone from South America to  travel back from the USA to LA to visit family than it is from Euro.

How easy will it be for her family to get a visa to visit her?

How often will she be able to visit her family?

Those are things some women will consider.

But if you have the resources, she can travel back to visit her family in LA often.

Perhaps if it is possible for you, you could live in Cali with your novia, instead of taking her to Germany. Or you could work on getting a network of latin American friends for her to have when you take her back with you to Germany.

... in response to Hey Hans, posted by Georgina on Aug 6, 2003

Hola Georgina,

Como estas??

Aqui mi respeustas para ti..ok?

I think Germans also will make good husbands and very faithfull. If i will have a steady woman I never cheat her.

""How easy will it be for her family to get a visa to visit her?""

With all respect I think a peruvian gets a turist visa EASIER for Germany then for USA!!
OOO no problem i will pay all tickets for the whole family!! (2 padres...5 hermanos y abuela tambien...)
NOT!!!

"" How often will she be able to visit her family?"

Simple....if I have to pay all and she doesn't work ONCE a year.
If she works also maybe Twice a year.
I am sorry but I am not Bill gates!
Besides that our free (paid) holidays are limited.
I won't tolerate that my woman is ALONE to SA...for weeks and I am working my little Heini off.....to pay for her tickets!!;-)
I know what woman CAN do when alone in SA......jajajajaja;-)

"But if you have the resources, she can travel back to visit her family in LA often.
"
Sure.....no problem. I will buy her 5 tickets a year of 900 Euros each!!;-)She can stay as long as she wants.

So querida georgina....WHAT will the latina invest in this relationship??
Her lovely eyes??Her nice "curves"...???

Beso!!

Hans-Erich.

... in response to Ola georgina!, posted by HansErich on Aug 6, 2003

how intelligent you are to choose a good partner.

Let's assume you are a good hearted man and she loves you to death and she marries you and goes back with you to your country.

She will have to deal with:

Cultural shock
Loneliness
Depression
Racism

If she overcomes all those and still living with you and loving you, you will then will be able to tell me how much she invested in the relationship.

Cuidate

... in response to Re: Ola georgina!, posted by Georgina on Aug 6, 2003

Well in Texas anyway I'd strike the racism as a concern and replace it with jealousy/envy.  But ditto on the latina network - very important.

... in response to Re: Ola georgina!, posted by Georgina on Aug 6, 2003

Well Georgina....do you think In Peru or America there is NO racism???
What about many afro-ameriman in Amerika that are being discriminated??? Latinos??? Chinese???;-)
Racists??? In germany???? Here are NO racists...none whatsoever.
Neo-Nazis maybe,......but racists??? no. Never!
Our laws will punish them severly!! They will be injailed.

I saw how the latinos in Peru treated the indios....!! And that was not very good:-(
You as a peruvian should know this!!

Come on...how do you know if she is being LONELY here??
Yes ...true..all start is difficult. But that start would be the same in Amerika...as in germany...or in Australia...

Depression???? From were do you take that???
I am a very nice guy and a agood sens of humor.
I'd rather think you are the one with the depression here querida!!;-)
I have no depression....and neither will the girl have that I will love.

You just make statements that you can never verify my dear!!

Cultural shock you mentioned???

Yes..that is true....oo soo true.

But wouldn't she also get a "shock"in USA????

Or in Norway??? Or in LALA-land???

SO you think that buying her 5 times a year a ticket back home...should forget all the above mentioned things???

HAHA.....

¡¡Si usted quiere al tango conmigo ... usted debe poner sus zapatos!!
(old argentinian saying)

;-)

Hans-Erich.

PS: I know latinos are "shocked"very quickly...but they get over it also very fast!!

... in response to ¡¡Si usted quiere al tango conmigo ... u..., posted by HansErich on Aug 6, 2003

I live in the United States, so when I said cultural shock, depression, racism and lonliness, I was talking what I have experienced in the country where I reside(the United States not Germany).

Of course, there is a lot of racism in Peru and all South America. That is not news for me.

The kind of racism I have experienced here has been due mostly to having an accent.

There is not country free of racism.

The difference here is that in the United States you have laws that counteract racism and that are actually enforced, which doesn't happen in South America.

Lo siento, pero no bailo tango.

Chao

... in response to Calmate querido, posted by Georgina on Aug 6, 2003

Tu no bailas tango???????????

que pena!

just took a cold shower!:-)

We are having tropical heath now in germany....!!

cuidate mi amiga peruana.

Hans-Erich

... in response to Calmate querido, posted by Georgina on Aug 6, 2003

Discrimination because of having an accent.

... in response to I meant to say, posted by Georgina on Aug 6, 2003

Do you consider yourself to be a victim?

... in response to Re: I meant to say, posted by burbuja2 on Aug 7, 2003

I say Yes.

Mostly because I have an accent.

I know my English is far from perfect, but is not that bad.

I have had people hanging the phone on me.

I have had people treating me differently after I opened my mounth.

Some times makes me wonder if people are associating having an accent with being stupid.

And you know, of course they always ask me if I know how to make tortillas.

At least on this part of the States, if you speak Spanish you are Mexican.

... in response to Re: Re: I meant to say, posted by Georgina on Aug 7, 2003

I will notify Kofi Anan.  But wait a minute!  Could it be the content of what you say rather than the way you say it?  For example, your laughable attempts to portray yourself as a victim have been accomplished without an accent.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: I meant to say, posted by burbuja2 on Aug 7, 2003

Patetico.

And after reading your previous posts, I find myself unable to waste my time with a loco.

Te falta un tornillo. Que pena.

... in response to ¡¡Si usted quiere al tango conmigo ... u..., posted by HansErich on Aug 6, 2003

Hello Hans-Erich,

Let me first say that I have never been to Germany.  However, to say that there are no racists in Germany doesn't seem realistic.  I remember in the last 10 years the number of Germans who were screaming about the Turks.  Groups of Germans blaming Turks for taking all the jobs, jobs most Germans didn't want....

I don't want to argue with you, just part of your post didn't seem right..  Best wishes in your search.

Take care,

Mark

... in response to Re: Ola georgina!, posted by Georgina on Aug 6, 2003


Bravo Georgina! Well timed and well said!

... in response to Hey Hans, posted by Georgina on Aug 6, 2003

Hola Georgina,

Como estas??

Aqui mi respeustas para ti..ok?

I think Germans also will make good husbands and very faithfull. If i will have a steady woman I never cheat her.

""How easy will it be for her family to get a visa to visit her?""

With all respect I think a peruvian gets a turist visa EASIER for Germany then for USA!!
OOO no problem i will pay all tickets for the whole family!! (2 padres...5 hermanos y abuela tambien...)
NOT!!!

"" How often will she be able to visit her family?"

Simple....if I have to pay all and she doesn't work ONCE a year.
If she works also maybe Twice a year.
I am sorry but I am not Bill gates!
Besides that our free (paid) holidays are limited.
I won't tolerate that my woman is ALONE to SA...for weeks and I am working my little Heini off.....to pay for her tickets!!;-)
I know what woman CAN do when alone in SA......jajajajaja;-)

"But if you have the resources, she can travel back to visit her family in LA often.
"
Sure.....no problem. I will buy her 5 tickets a year of 900 Euros each!!;-)She can stay as long as she wants.

So querida georgina....WHAT will the latina invest in this relationship??
Her lovely eyes??Her nice "curves"...???

Beso!!

Hans-Erich.

... in response to Hey Hans, posted by Georgina on Aug 6, 2003

Where in the world did AM get this reputation for being faithful??????

I've lived many years on the east coast, and as far as i can tell there is absolutely nothing in the society that should encourage men to be faithful.

Just as here in the UK there are no social conventions involving family, religion and social dynamics that puts pressure on men to be faithful. No such incentives. Not in this day and age!!

Hey, if AM can get a reputation like that then LA women can get one for being faithful, loving, devoted home makers (please read your latest TLC brochure). Ha!

Anyone who takes this seriously in comparing the rich advanced industrial countries has not been carefully noting the grave changes in family and society since the 1960s, especially.

I just don't think such a belief has any meaning even in the most well-intentioned generalization.

Oh, of course AM fall in love just like latin men.

... in response to Re: Hey Hans, posted by cassius on Aug 6, 2003

Cassius,

I just tell you about what I am familiar with and what I know about living in the USA for four years and having friends from many friends from Brasil, Colombia, Peru who are happily married to AM. Of course, there are always exceptions.

I think this belief comes mostly from latinas married to gringos than from gringas married to gringos. I am sure American women think just the opposite.

By the way, I have also heard good comments about English men.

Good luck to you.

... in response to Re: Re: Hey Hans, posted by Georgina on Aug 6, 2003

georgina:

don't believe that stuff about UK blokes.

i would strongly advise a latina to be careful about the sexuality of a UK man she may want to marry.

people are trained to be very egotistical in all they do - especially in love and war (ooops, i mean sex). there are no social rules or training for faithfulness. not anymore!!!

this isn't a 'simple' pre-historic society. people can be very complex in their needs for sex and love in this country.

just look at tv - the perfect mirror of how the society sees itself and also what it most wants to become.

it is the way in which society is structured and changes that helps to shape peoples response to sex. the availability of sex for an muslim male in the middle east is very diffrent than for a man in the UK or US.

why has the strip bar industry expanded enormously in the US and UK, but not in muslim countries???

anyway i don't want to write too much, i just seem to throw words around too much.

regards

-- out

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Hey Hans, posted by cassius on Aug 6, 2003

understand you and agree. My statement was just my statement. That's what I have heard while I was growing up and from family and friends who are married to AM. Perhaps I just have had a good experience with AM in general.

I don't buy either what people say about latino men being all unfaithful and macho, however all the latino men surrounding me were.

But, I certainly can assure you the above is one of the reasons women are starting looking abroad.

... in response to Re: Re: Hey Hans, posted by Georgina on Aug 6, 2003

Hola georgina.

What do Latinas in your view think of German men??

OOOO I am so curious!

besos

Hans-Erich.

... in response to Georgina....sobre hombres allemanos., posted by HansErich on Aug 6, 2003

Sorry Hans, don't have a view about it, because I don't have any friends at all with novios alemanes o esposos alemanes.

However, it is general belief that Germans like a lot Brasilian women, sobre todo las de piel canela.

... in response to Re: Georgina....sobre hombres allemanos., posted by Georgina on Aug 6, 2003

So HOW on earth can you say all these things about my country?????
If you don't even know what you are talking about????

OOO me encantan las peruanas;-)

Hans-Erich.

... in response to Re: Re: Georgina....sobre hombres allema..., posted by HansErich on Aug 6, 2003

You should stop making generalizations about Peruvian women.

Hay estos Alemanes.

... in response to Re: Re: Georgina....sobre hombres allema..., posted by HansErich on Aug 6, 2003

n/t

... in response to Re: Hey Hans, posted by cassius on Aug 6, 2003

Dear Cassius,

what Georgina meant (at least that is I hope she meant...) was that AM are MORE faithfull then their latino counterparts.

;-)

Espero me entiendes!

Hans-Erich.

... in response to being faitfull/ser fiel, posted by HansErich on Aug 6, 2003

hans:

Impossible to verify as fact - right?!

Such a 'reputation' is only just another cliche people use like currency.

Come on hans, there is nothing in US society that would make AM more faithful than latinos.

The more useful question is to ask - how do latino men 'express' their sexuality within the rules of social conventions? - how is this diffrent from the realities in US society and the needs of AM?....etc

You can't get meaninful things from cliches. I merely want to suggest that most cliches are biased
personal hang-ups.

But it is possible to get some idea of the diffrence between a latino and AM,  by asking questions that can be fairly answered by looking in detail at how life is lived.

I guess i'm suggesting that the best 'practical' research by trained people (sociologist, councelors, anthropologists) is one way to jump all over the issue.

But i think anyone who looks at tv or the papers will note that both US and europe society are awash with sex, for the sake of sex. It is not convincing to ignore this and the breakdown of families and believe AM have a reputation for faithfullness.

I live both in london and wash dc, I would never say that UK men are faithful. Because there is so much evidence around me that sex is not limited by any enforced rules these days. Even girls of 17yrs have lots of freedom.

Human sexuality has never been limited in society by the whims of personal love.

Hey, sorry for long reply. And i don't mean to sound like i know any of the answers!!!!! Just question everything.

Anyway i enjoy reading your posts and the way you are ready to help others with info.

-- out

... in response to question for the Cali-verterans among yo..., posted by HansErich on Aug 6, 2003

Hans,
I know of a few Calenas who have married Europeans.  One of them was the secretary for Latin Encounters for many years.  She married a guy from Germany.  Also a good friend of mine is getting engaged to a guy from Norway.  The majority just want a good, loyal man, who is a gentleman, who knows how to treat a woman with love and respect.  Being respectful is very important in the latin culture.  Some gringos still haven't learned this concept.
Good luck Hans, you seem like a good guy.  Just don't get too caught up by the looks.

... in response to Re: question for the Cali-verterans amon..., posted by beenthere on Aug 6, 2003

Thanks beenthere!!

Sure I am respectfull...and I realy hope they are too;-)
I know (from earlier experiences) some latinas think that if we are respectfull that we are also DUMB.....;-)
But this is not the case with me.

About being a gentleman..i do not understand.
Is that included that I must pay for their famely too??
(I heard allready some stories about that?)
I am a normaL guy and a treat each woman as my equal.
I know most latin guys (if marry a latina) do not pay for their in-laws. So why should i do this??? (hell yes...I am the rich gringo from germany..lol)
Please understand I know latin life qwuite good....thatb is in Argentina and in Brasil. I can imagina Colombia is not THAT different.

I am afraid that wehn  such a good looking hot latina walks the streets here in Dortmund some men will kidnapp her!!
We have a large shortage on availeble women within the agegroup 20-40....:-(
So I am looking for a less pretty woman between 25-32 years old WITHOUT a child.
Preferably nurse,schoolteacher,shop-assistant or even peasant girl.
No high level women please.
I also do not like fake boobies...or fake anywere.

best regards,

hans-Erich.

... in response to Re: Re: question for the Cali-verterans ..., posted by HansErich on Aug 6, 2003

Hans:

Are you serious about the potential for kidnapping?

Well it is sort of funny that a guy has to settle for a less pretty woman, because there are crazed guys out there in dortmund who haven't seen a beauty in light-years.

Also why no "high level women"?

... in response to Re: Re: Re: question for the Cali-verter..., posted by cassius on Aug 6, 2003

Yes I am deadly serious about it!!
\
In Berlin it is even worse. I t is NOT only here in Dortmund..no no..
Those bastards of Russian maffia take woman and force them to work as P....well you know.
In some cases they kidnapp...and ask money to the man to let her free again!!
Russian..latina...for those bastards it makes no difference.
They even kidnapp house-animals from rich people for asking money!!!

They are ruthless....killers...gunmen...they just kill any person just for a kick. It's the slime of our earth.

In larger city we germans have special police squadrons just to deal with these filty Russian maffia kilers.

High level women are mostly a pain....in the Bu....

They are demanding,materialistic and have strange views on western life.
Besids that most of upper class latinas are racists.
I just do not like them.
Argentinians are probably the worst!!!
My ex wife was one of such kind...

:-(

Hans-Erich.

... in response to question for the Cali-verterans among yo..., posted by HansErich on Aug 6, 2003

just tell them you are a personal friend of Boris Becker
and you should have no problems...

... in response to Re: question for the Cali-verterans amon..., posted by donald on Aug 6, 2003

In all honesty,I never want to low myself to these kind of lies JUST too meet a girl.

besides that I think Of Boris as an great As....e:-(
He is a wimp...and not a real man.

Do you mean they are all THAT materilistic???

Bye
Hans-Erich.

... in response to Re: Re: question for the Cali-verterans ..., posted by HansErich on Aug 6, 2003

just f___g with you  hanzy

... in response to Re: Re: question for the Cali-verterans ..., posted by HansErich on Aug 6, 2003

Dear Haaanz

    When are you goink to sink da hooook. You haff had a lota bites chatzi.

Pescador en Cayo Hueso