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Take care,
Kent

Sure there are women that have preferences.  For example,  Odee.com has about 600 (+-) women in its listing of women from Bogotá.  About 50% have a stated preference for white or tan men and about 50% have no preference in terms of skin color. So again, All Latinas do not "Loveeee White men" as someone put it.  Now Bogotá has often been described as  the most conservative of the places that men visit looking for wives, so you can infer from there.  Again I will tell you that as a black man, I have had no trouble attracting Colombian women (black or white, but mostly white to be honest since I visit Bogota mostly).  

Now maybe the population of women in the agency pool is not representative of the women in overall population of LA, but that is besides the point unless you just plan on going out on the street to meet women.  The women you are interested in are from the agency pool most likely and I can tell you that a Black man can do well.  The agency owners will tell you honestly that Black men do very well.  WE just don't go down in as great of number as men from other races.

Finally, I had lady tell me that I was not black, but brown or dark tan .. I got a laugh out of that as she was being so specific and I guess that black is black there and brown is brown. Here we lump everything together. ha hah ha.

Anyway, man just go and forget the foolishness that gets posted here.  I just returned from Bogotá and saw several Black men with there lovely white and tan latina girlfriends in the mall.  I also saw white men with there lovely latina girlfriends in the mall as well.

Take Care,
Aaron

- Jeff

No, i'm a black man with an interest in latinas and filipinas.  I'll post a fresh thread about my own experiences with all races of women.

keep in mind that i am talking based on my experiences of travelling to different parts of colombia for 4.5 years, and costa rica, as well as based on what many of my latin friends tell me. they're mostly colombian, some puerto rican, and one costa rican. there are some from venezuela also.

you ask a really good question. it is a complex issue. what you will find in latin america, particularly in countries with a greater number of people of african descent, is that there is allot of mixing between races, between whites, indians, and blacks. this is true especially in cali, cartagena, barranquilla, santa marta, and san andres of colombia. there are other less travelled cities and places in colombia were there is still allot of racial mixing. there, it is to the point as a daily thing to see. very prevalent. you can see white men dating darker women or white women dating darker men as a preference.

also keep in mind, the history of slavery in latin america was very different than in the usa. blacks during the days of slavery were allowed to keep their african customs, language, and music. because of this, they maintained a closer connection with their african roots. and are more unified as a people. also, keep in mind that spain as a colonial power of the day, ruled over latin america with policies of exploitation. spain really didn't do much to economically support the latin american colonies. so, what started to occur was that the majority of spanish colonizers, if they were not rich, they remained in the lower social classes, and were poor. the latin american colonies were classist societies, and remanents of the classism from that era still exist today in latin america.

so, this set the stage. what you had were classist societies, with a few wealthy white settlers, and the majority of whites in the lower classes, and are poorer. then, you had the blacks who maintain their african identity and indians who maintained their indentity, too. many people believe that all the indians were exterminated, but that is not true except in certain places. in some locations, most of the indian population was exterminated or assimilated due to racial mixing. but, in colombia that is not the case. there are still many regions of the country were the indians are present. many of the people of cali have indian blood, and many professional people throughout the country are of indian descent.

now, back to the classist societies of latin american colonies. keep in mind, that what usually happens when you mix poor whites, blacks, and indians together. THEY MIX AND INTER-MARRY. look at any low income american community that has both whites and blacks. you find that the community will have a high number of interracial relationships. what happen was that in these societies, the poorer people begin see the value of the person based upon his skills, ability, and resources. and they picked partners who could help them get by from day to day, regardless of the person's race. this kind of context allowed for racial mixing to be more acceptable. as opposed to the usa, where blacks were not allowed to even "think" about dating a white, and white males had their black concubines in the closet, and raped black women.

as more and more mixing took place, people begain to see both the positive and negatives of a group of people. for example, people began to see the positives of the blacks and their culture, and this is how many african customs, music, religion, and food became to be assimilated in latin america.

now, with this all in mind, even though there was mixing, there was and still is racism. however, there in latin america it is of a different form. there racism is based on classism; whereby most blacks and indians are of the lower classes. there, the people of the lower classes are usually meant to stay in their place. in colombia they use the word NICHE, it is the parallel of the word NIG*ER here in the usa. to tranlate it literally, it means niche in english. it was used to refer to blacks in colombia because they were a group of people who were skilled workers, and they had a niche to support themselves. what later happened was that the blacks of colombia took the word, and started to use it amongst themselves as a term a endearment, just like black people in the usa use the word nig*er as a term of endearment. so, in colombia, sometimes blacks will refer to themselves as "niche" or they'll say "negro or negrito". the most popular colombian salsa group, which is from cali, is called GRUPO NICHE. they're a group of mostly black and indian musicians, and some whites. i met them before in person. i went to their cali studios. they will definitely tell you there is racism in colombia. however, race mixing is very prevalent. also, you have to keep in mind that since there has been so much mixing between races, mostly everyone refer to each other as "negro or negra" even if they have lighter skin. they do that because they know that they are not "pure white," but somewhere down the line in the family history, there probably was some mixing. many people make a big joke about it.

in colombian and other latin american countries were the racism is based upon classism, what you find is that people do not make up wild stereotypes about the darker skinned people. not like what was done here, where people would say "blacks are like monkeys, and have tails."
no, you wont find much of that. there may be some, but not allot. however, you will come across a general mind set that darker skinned people are of the lower classes, and "that is their place". however, for the blacks that are more wealthy, they're are accepted by most people, and they are respected. for the wealthier blacks, that have more mobility, people tend to respect them allot more.

in my experience with the women, i tend to like whiter latinas. that is the majority of what i dated. some were rich some were poor. i've had about 15 girl friends. from what i have experienced, from the ones that i've dated, many find darker skinned men very attractive, and they preferred men from brown to tan skin color. they didn't like the blonde, blue-eyed, or very white skinned type of men. they just didn't like it. they had their preferences. what they did like to see was the constrast in the skin color when they were with someone darker, and they were very out going ladies. they loved to dance to tropical music and play sports. they told me that most of the guys they met in the agencies who liked to do the same things, and would try it with them, had darker skin. they liked that. on the other hand, on occasion you will find some lighter ladies that prefer white guys. that's fine. also, there are some darker skinned agency girls that prefer white guys over black guys, and others that want to meet only black guys. i'm black, and i have no problem with getting dates with women of all colors.

i remember one time, when i didn't know all this, i saw a really beautiful white girl in an agency. i wanted to go out with that girl so bad, but i was insecure because i didn't think she would want a black guy. well, i later found out, that her boy friend was a black guy from the usa. she got married. there was also another time when i was in an agency minding my own business, eating breakfast. then BANG, a really foxy mamacita came in for the first time to be a member. she was 4 years older than me. she was a high maintance white lady. i didn't pay much attention to her because she was older, and i thought she wouldn't want to date a younger guy. but later in the day, she called back to the agency and requested me for a cita. we went out. she told me that she loves r&b music, and has travelled to the usa and has gone to many clubs; and she had enough nerve to tell me that the reason why i like latinas is because they have nice butts. still to this day, that woman asks about me, and wants to know when i'll be in town.

aaron

I guess your experience in LA has been muy buena and I am glad for that. I don't mean to discourage anybody from going South, but I have to tell you that is my opinion that the racism going on in LA is far worse than in the United States.

Comments like "mejorando la raza" are very common in my part of the world.

Sad but true.

Take care,

Georgina

That is only partly the case.  Blacks were NOT allowed to keep their religions.  Both Santaria and Condomble developed by "hiding" the animist gods of African religions behind the saints of the Catholic religion.  Specifically, the Ife religion was brought to Bahia, Brazil and its gods, the Orishas, became saints in Catholicism and are the Brazilian Orixas in Condomble.  If you go to Bahia, you can find more information on the correspondence between the Orixas and the Catholic saints.

In addition, the Brazilian "dance" called capoeira, was in reality an African martial art brought to Brazil by enslaved Africans and practised by them.  To hide its military purpose, some movements were stylized so it could be accepted as a non-threatening "dance" by the slave owners.

"also, keep in mind that spain as a colonial power of the day, ruled over latin america with policies of exploitation. "

This may be the biggest reason why race relations in SA and the US are so different.  The emancipation movements and the independence movements overlapped in SA.  As insurgents rebelled aginst Spain and Portugal and Simon Bolivar did his thing, slaves were also rebelling against their owners.  The biggest slave owners and the most powerful representatives of the colonial powers happened to be the same group of people.  The independence wars kicked them back to Europe.  Few of the remaining people were of the traditional ruling class.  As Aaraon stated, the majority poor of all races intermingled and intermarried.  In fact, slavery in SA was functionally ended in the years 1810-1840, with only 10-25% of the African population still enslaved, even though slavery officially stayed legal for several decades on.  Brazil officially ended slavery in 1888.  But that is a big contrast to the US where the independence movement started BEFORE slavery was well entrenched, so that the biggest slave owners were powerful leaders of an alrady independent US and not of a colonial power.  Between 95% and 98% of the African population in the US was still enslaved at the time of the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863.

History lesson over.

Its a pleasant break to read a post from someone who actually lnows what they are talking about.  

Good points.

Aaron

Aaron says, "you ask a really good question. it is a
complex issue. what you will find in latin america, particularly in countries with a greater number of people of african descent, is that there is allot of mixing between races, between whites, indians, and blacks. this is true especially in cali, cartagena, barranquilla, santa marta, and san andres of colombia. there are other less travelled cities and places in colombia were there is still allot of racial mixing. there, it is to the point as a daily thing to see. very prevalent. you can see white men dating darker women or white women dating darker men as a preference."

I DON'T SEE ALOT OF WHITE WOMEN DATING DARKER MEN IN
LATIN AMERICA.

Aaron says, "also keep in mind, the history of slavery
in latin america was very different than in the usa.
blacks during the days of slavery were allowed to keep
their african customs, language, and music. because of
this, they maintained a closer connection with their
african roots. and are more unified as a people. also,
keep in mind that spain as a colonial power of the
day, ruled over latin america with policies of
exploitation. spain really didn't do much to
economically support the latin american colonies. so,
what started to occur was that the majority of spanish colonizers, if they were not rich, they remained in the lower social classes, and were poor. the latin american colonies were classist societies, and remanents of the classism from that era still exist today in latin america."

I say,  WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.  AFRICANS
DID NOT KEEP THEIR LANGUAGE.  NAME ME ONE AFRICAN
LANGUAGE WIDELY SPOKEN IN LATIN AMERICA.  THEY DID NOT
KEEP A CLOSER CONNECTION TO THEIR AFRICAN ROOTS,
RATHER, THEY HAD A GREATER INFLUENCE OVER THE CULTURE
IN GENERAL THAN IN THE USA.  WHY??  PROBABLY BECAUSE
MANY MORE SLAVES BOTH IN RAW NUMBERS AND PERCENTAGE OF
THE POPULATION WERE IMPORTED TO LATIN AMERICA.  ASK A
DOMINICAN WHO IS BLACK AND HE WILL TELL YOU THE
HAITAINS.  

THIS ENTIRE PARAGRAPH IS INCOHERENT GARBAGE.  THE
REASON THAT THE SPANIARDS MIXED AND MARRIED INDIAN AND
SLAVE WOMEN WAS BECAUSE THEY BROUGHT NO WOMEN OF THEIR
OWN.  RICH SPANISH SLAVE OWNERS WERE MUCH MORE LIKELY
TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE CREATION OF THE OF THE MULATTO
AND MESTISO PEOPLE THAN POOR WHITES.  HOW MANY WHITES
IN LATIN AMERICA WERE NOT EITHER 1) RICH  2) GRANTED
LAND THEN BECAME RICH  3)  SOLDIERS  4) CATHOLIC
MISSIONARIES    WHITES DID NOT IMMIGRATE EN MASSE TO
LATIN AMERICA LIKE THEY DID TO THE US, THEY IMMIGRATED
TO EXPLOIT THE RESOURCES BECOME VERY WEALTHY AND HAD
THE PROTECTION OF THE SPANISH MILITARY TO DO SO.  

so, this set the stage. what you had were classist
societies, with a few wealthy white settlers, and the
majority of whites in the lower classes, and are
poorer. then, you had the blacks who maintain their
african identity and indians who maintained their
indentity, too. many people believe that all the
indians were exterminated, but that is not true except
in certain places. in some locations, most of the
indian population was exterminated or assimilated due
to racial mixing. but, in colombia that is not the
case. there are still many regions of the country were
the indians are present. many of the people of cali
have indian blood, and many professional people
throughout the country are of indian descent.

WRONG!!   THE MAJORITY OF SPANIARDS WERE ALREADY
WEALTHY OR WERE SOLDIERES.  

HAVING INDIAN BLOOD AND BEING INDIAN ARE NOT THE SAME.
THE INDIANS HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CULTURE AND
ARE ISOLATED FROM THE MAINSTREAM CULTURE.  

now, back to the classist societies of latin american
colonies. keep in mind, that what usually happens when
you mix poor whites, blacks, and indians together.
THEY MIX AND INTER-MARRY. look at any low income
american community that has both whites and blacks.
you find that the community will have a high number of interracial relationships. what happen was that in these societies, the poorer people begin see the value of the person based upon his skills, ability, and resources. and they picked partners who could help them get by from day to day, regardless of the person's race. this kind of context allowed for racial mixing to be more acceptable. as opposed to the usa, where blacks were not allowed to even "think" about dating a white, and white males had their black concubines in the closet, and raped black women.

NO DUDE POOR WHITES DID NOT INTERMARRY WITH BLACKS AND
INDIANS.  WHITE SOLDIERS AND BUSINESSMEN WERE BONING
SLAVE AND INDIAN WOMEN.  

YOU ARE A COMPLETE NAIVE FOOL.  THE SPANIARDS RAPED
INDIAN WOMEN AND BLACK WOMEN LIKE NO TOMORROW.  THE
RESULTS OF RICH IS THE CURRENT "RACIAL" COMPOSITION OF
LATIN AMERICA.  AGAIN THE SPANIARDS DID NOT TAKE THEIR
WOMEN WITH THEM SO THEY TOOK WHAT WAS AVAILABLE.  

as more and more mixing took place, people begain to
see both the positive and negatives of a group of
people. for example, people began to see the positives
of the blacks and their culture, and this is how many
african customs, music, religion, and food became to
be assimilated in latin america.

SORRY BUD BUT I DON'T BELIEVE LATIN AMERICA EMBRACES "BLACKNESS", ON THE CONTRARY THEY DENY IT.  MARRYING A LIGHT SKIN PERSON IS "MEJORANDO LA RAZA".  SURELY YOU'VE HEARD OF THAT.  

now, with this all in mind, even though there was
mixing, there was and still is racism. however, there
in latin america it is of a different form. there
racism is based on classism; whereby most blacks and
indians are of the lower classes. there, the people of
the lower classes are usually meant to stay in their
place. in colombia they use the word NICHE, it is the
parallel of the word NIG*ER here in the usa. to
tranlate it literally, it means niche in english. it
was used to refer to blacks in colombia because they
were a group of people who were skilled workers, and
they had a niche to support themselves. what later
happened was that the blacks of colombia took the
word, and started to use it amongst themselves as a
term a endearment, just like black people in the usa
use the word nig*er as a term of endearment. so, in
colombia, sometimes blacks will refer to themselves as
"niche" or they'll say "negro or negrito". the most
popular colombian salsa group, which is from cali, is
called GRUPO NICHE. they're a group of mostly black
and indian musicians, and some whites. i met them
before in person. i went to their cali studios. they
will definitely tell you there is racism in colombia.
however, race mixing is very prevalent. also, you have
to keep in mind that since there has been so much
mixing between races, mostly everyone refer to each
other as "negro or negra" even if they have lighter
skin. they do that because they know that they are not
"pure white," but somewhere down the line in the
family history, there probably was some mixing. many
people make a big joke about it.

NEGRO OR NEGRA IS A TERM OF ENDEARMENT. HOWEVER,
BELIEVE ME IT DOES NOT REFLECT ANY DESIRE TO BE BLACK
I CAN GUARANTEE THAT.  

THEIR RACISM IS NOT JUST BASED ON CLASSISM.  ASK A
MAYAN INDIAN IN MEXICO OR GUATEMALA  IF THEY HAVE
EXPERIENCED RACISM.  RACSIM IS BASED ON CULTURAL
DIFFERENCES.  THAT IS WHY THE MAINSTREAM POPULATION IS
MORE UNIFIED BECAUSE THEY SHARE THE SAME CULTURE
COMPARED TO BLACK AND WHITE IN THE US.  HAVE YOU EVER
OVERHEARD A LATIN PERSON TALKING ABOUT A CHINO???  NO
MATTER WHAT ORIENTAL COUNTRY YOU ARE FROM, TO A LATINO
YOU WILL BE A CHINO.  

in colombian and other latin american countries were
the racism is based upon classism, what you find is
that people do not make up wild stereotypes about the
darker skinned people. not like what was done here,
where people would say "blacks are like monkeys, and
have tails."
no, you wont find much of that. there may be some, but
not allot. however, you will come across a general
mind set that darker skinned people are of the lower
classes, and "that is their place". however, for the
blacks that are more wealthy, they're are accepted by
most people, and they are respected. for the wealthier
blacks, that have more mobility, people tend to
respect them allot more.

SO IN THE USA YOU ARE SAYING ITS COMMON TO BELIEVE
BLACKS HAVE TAILS????  

HOW MANY WEALTHY BLACKS DO YOU KNOW IN LATIN AMERICA
COMPARED TO THEIR NUMBERS IN THE GENERAL POPULATION?  
WHY DO YO THINK THIS IS THE CASE??   DUH!!!

in my experience with the women, i tend to like whiter
latinas. that is the majority of what i dated. some
were rich some were poor. i've had about 15 girl
friends. from what i have experienced, from the ones
that i've dated, many find darker skinned men very
attractive, and they preferred men from brown to tan
skin color. they didn't like the blonde, blue-eyed, or
very white skinned type of men. they just didn't like
it. they had their preferences. what they did like to
see was the constrast in the skin color when they were
with someone darker, and they were very out going
ladies. they loved to dance to tropical music and play
sports. they told me that most of the guys they met in
the agencies who liked to do the same things, and
would try it with them, had darker skin. they liked
that. on the other hand, on occasion you will find
some lighter ladies that prefer white guys. that's
fine. also, there are some darker skinned agency girls
that prefer white guys over black guys, and others
that want to meet only black guys. i'm black, and i
have no problem with getting dates with women of all
colors.

I'VE CERTAINLY HAD A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE THAN YOU.
I'VE KNOWN VERY FEW LATIN WOMEN THAT HAVE A PREFERENCE
FOR DARK SKINNED MEN.  THEY LOOOOOOVEE  BLONDES AND
BLUE EYES.  

The real end of the history lesson.

I mean I love the way my novia looks after spending 3 hours in the salon, but i also love the way she looks when she just lets it dry naturally when we are at the beach.

I can say i experienced racial issues in Mexico, Brazil and Colombia as well.

I can also say that when out in public and noticing couples of mixed races or greatly different skin color at least, there seems to be more lighter skinned women, with darker skinned men down here. I am not sure if there is a reason for it, other than preferences of the ladies.

There are racial issues all over the world. The bottom line is no african american male should even hesitate for a second when contemplating a trip to LA. Any racial issues would inconsequential.

One point I do want to make, did you know about a group of black Colombians, you see many especially in Cartagena. You will see many of the black women who sell fruits out of pans, and even carry the pans on their heads. Do you know the history of this group of people?

Or, maybe we can listen to some Salsa by Willie Colon, who was a white Puerto Rican, you ever hear his song Che Che Cole?

Or let's listen to music by Joe Arroyo, who was born in Cartagena, and is notorious all over Colombia, but now lives in Barranquilla. He has a song called Yamulemau. The entire song is in an African language.

We can hear all this music in a discotech in Juanchito of Cali. We could meet at Chango, it's one of the most popular dance clubs in Juanchito. "Chango?" Where do you think "Chango" comes from? Did you ever hear of the Afican diety "Shango?"

Edge, be careful who you talk to, there are allot of guys who feel insecure about history, and want to maintain an attitude of superiority.

Also, all the salseros will tell you, the roots of Salsa, and what people started it. Especially, merengue.

Take Care,
Aaron

and just a brief reply to Aaron's response

Aaron  you were unable to respond to any of the
substantive refutations I made to your "story".  and
your provision of "salsa" as evidence does not support
your argument whatsoever.  Salsa was "invented" in New
York by Puerto Rican immigrants about 50 years ago,
not 500 years ago by African slaves.  likewise
merengue is not a "traditional" latin dance.  

your mythical description of latin history was one
thing but your backhanded attack on the USA was really
the reason I posted.

Aaron

I tend to believe what my wife tells me about these matters since she grew up in the latin culture.

My friend is not Robbie San Juan but he has tons of experience down there.  He also has spent alot of time in Venezuela and recently Colombia.  He is in the states now.

It is his opinion - respond to what he says if you want.

I am not endorsing what either of you say because i have not followed the thread.

Take care.

You tell him hola.  
Talk to him offline and let me know what you think then.

you really are an idiot.  That is why I do not waste my time.

Take care

Email me and let me know when you're going to be in the city, if possible we can hook up for a drink or dinner?  If not, another time, enjoy the trip.
-TNC

she requested me, and we had a great time. now, i know on the board, i come off as an a*z-hole, but i'm really not like that in person. it's just an on-line persona. when i get in the mix, it's on !!!!! and only the older ladies now how to deal. and i don't hang out with other gringos because i like to keep my business to myself.

each time this lady and i meet, we cannot keep our hands off of each other. she has the nicest body. but, i'm kind of scared of her, because clearly she has more experience, and she's a social smoker. i'm allergic to cigarette smoke.

i can remember the moment when she came in the agency, there was a another older gringo i was talking to, and i told him that she was the kind of women that i prefered to meet. he said he didn't like those types of ladies because they're too high maintance. each time we go out, i spend $40.00 USD on the date, and i don't return back to the pad until like 5:00 am. all in good clean fun, no sex.  

aaron

Hey Aaron,

You've mentioned a couple times that you don't like hanging out with any of the gringos when in Colombia.  It's certainly a personal choice but I think you're making a mistake.  Sure there's some weirdos but a lot of the guys are pretty cool.  I always try to hook up with some of the guys when in Cali.  If I'm not sure who's in town, I'm almost guarenteed to run into somebody at the malls or Blues Brothers.

I think hanging out only with the Calenas, unless you're on a short vacation, misses part of the fun of going to Cali.  

Cali James

As for the assasination attempt I posted about. A week or so before my last trip to Colombia, I posted on the board where I was going to be staying. Also, at that time, I was in the middle of a flame war, as usual, on the board.

When I was in Colombia, a young teenage girl brought a container of rice and pork from a little merchant on the side of the road. The box of food had the name and address of the restaurant. I wasn't in at the time to meet her.

When I got back, the agency owner told me a young girl came in and brought me something to eat. That she said her family has a business, and they want me to try the food to see if I would like it.

I looked in the box, and it looked as if someone had put something in it. I didn't eat the food, but I did call the telephone number on the box, no one was around at the restaurant.

The agency owner and I decided to go to the restaurant. The address was on the box.

We went, and the place was in an extremely dangerous part of Cali, far away from the agency. They say the place is almost as dangerous as AguaBlanca.

We found the restaurant, and it was this dirty old shack, and near the shack there was a smell of burning marijuana. A boy and a man came outside, and I asked them if a younger girl similar to the one who left the food lived there, they said no one of such a description lived there.

At that time, the agency owner told me that we better go, and don't stay too long. The agency owner told me that it was someone who wanted to poison me.

It could have been a boyfriend of a girl who I dated, it could have been a girl who was pissed off, or I think it could have been someone who has been in flame wars with me on this board. For example the Yalg character, who was supposedly in Cali the same time when I was there.

James, I keep to myself because it's hard to know who is who, and the intentions of people. I know it is kind of cynical, but that's just my take on it. So don't be offended, however, you can guarrantee, I don't go out of my way to stab gringos in the back for their ladies.

Aaron

Now don't be offended, because I'm sincerely not trying to offend you. You haven't said anything to me that was offensive, but my instincts tell me that you're a Calena.

Am I right or wrong? If I am wrong, you can call me a fool, and I wont say anything. If I am right, then I love you.

Take Care,
Aaron

you're not a fool aaron;
you're a f___g idiot!!

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/test2.html

From Aaron

WHERE DID SHE COME OFF ASKING TO DATE YOU - ISN'T THIS
YOUR CHOICE AND OPTION???

THE LEAST YOU COULD DO IS MAKE HER PAY!!

With the current exchange rate, $40.00 USD comes to 118.224 COP. That is not cheap on a date with one lady, in one night, in Cali.

Believe me, I didn't mind her requesting me for a cita.

The first date, we went to a newly opened Italian restaurant, two plates of pasta and a bottle of white wine. After the restaurant, we went to Dukes for cocktails.

Take Care,
Aaron

I have mentioned this before in LWL and Ralph (in DR) strongly disagreed with me.  In my opinion, the US tries to be a classless society and fails miserably.  SA countries don't try, and there is considerable class discrimination.  The Colombians, Brazilians, Venezolans, of (greater) African descent, ie darker skinned, have told me that there is a great deal of skin color prejudice in the upper class.  Dark skinned women are never be hired to be executive secretaries for top management officals.  Upper class men and women never marry dark skinned individuals unless they are extraordinary, like a judge or renowned doctor.  Bear in mind that the upper class in SA is relatively small, less than 10% of the population.  Also bear in mind that in Brazil a Black woman from the working class ( a former maid) was elected to their national legislature a few years ago.  Some things are changing.

In the middle and working classes, skin color is treated as an esthetic personal preference.  Some people like blonde hair, some people like tan skin, some people like brown eyes, some people like dark skin.  My impression is that both extremes of skin color, very white and very black, are considered UNattractive.  People are referred to by the color of their skin, such as morenita or triguenita, without any perjorative connotations at all.  In these classes, how you present yourself in terms of carriage, dress, grooming, and especially how properly you speak the language (sign of education and intelligence) carries much more weight in how you are treated than the color of your skin.  (I think the US has a LOT to learn in this regard.)

Latin women will be attracted to your gentlemanly qualities, fidelity and respect for her.  Forget about US style race consciousness.  Many attractive women of all skin colors WON'T be attracted to a dark skinned man but many other attractive women of all skin colors, except those of the upper class, WILL be attracted to a dark skinned man.

As for Asian men, Brazil has a fairly large Asian poulation centered around Sao Paulo.  Macau, China, is a former Portuguese colony and many Chinese were brought to Brazil as indentured servants, to supplement slavery, in the 19th and early 20 centuries.  Foreign Asian will do as well or poorly as anyone else provided it is VERY clear that he lives in North America or Europe.  I think there are VERY few Latinas who will follow a potential husband to anyplace other than US, Canada, or western Europe.  That IS a very big deal for them, at least the Latinas I discussed this with.

I have been to clubs down here that were very biased as to who they let in. If I was with less than white ladies, we were all denied admission. I then made a trip to the men's room and the same security personel were opening the door and waving me in. Needless to say, I never returned to these places.

I still say that at very first encounter, I might have better luck than say Brazilophile, but a guy with blonde hair and blue eyes would have better luck than I do. Probably at least partially because of the exotic factor, and being more "different". This is only at the very very beginning. Unless you are a total mess, you will have zero problem getting by any
preconceived notions. I would not lose ANY sleep over it, just go down and have a great time!

A fellow PL board member came to the DR to visit and had absolutely zero problems meeting women. There are some race issues down here, but mostly amongst the locals. All the TV personalities etc are white. Miss Universe was white etc etc etc.

My novia had me pull the car over before we got to her Mom's house, when I was going to meet her family for the first time. She explained to me that she had brothers and sisters that were "morena". She was genuinely worried about what I would think. I asked her if she was the same color as her brother, does she think I would not be interested in her? She said probably not!
I explained to her just how crazy that was.

There most likely are a minority of women that would rule out a black man as a potential mate or partner. Who cares? Who would want such a shallow person as a mate any way?

I think more of your edibility to have a good time and meet nice women has more to do with how you carry yourself.   Things that help are being physically fit, clean cut, dressing nicely, speaking some Spanish or whatever the native language is etc.  Being a gentleman is key. Opening doors, holding chairs etc.  basic manners mean a lot to women both here and abroad. Also being honest with the women helps big time.  in short, don't worry too much about the color thing.  If you are still uncertain, do what I did on my first visit. Try some basic letter correspondence and picture exchanges first to make sure the women are ok with your skin color or race. If you are using an agency, just be frank with the owner and tell them that you wish the women to know of your skin color before they arrive to the interview.  That way, the lady won't be surprised.  Its just nature that the women expect the men to be white as their are simply more white people going down to SA than Blacks.  now bear in mind that my thoughts are related to Colombia.  Brazil is an entirely different story and I won't get into that. ha ha ha

If you go to Bahia (Salvador) in Brasil....which has many mnay dark people your changes of getting a wife are 1000% better then any white guy!!
I myself was denied by a lovely black girl...because i was WHITE!!!!
Bahians are very proud on their afrikan ancestors.....

But first ..LEARN PORTUGESE!!

Hans-Erich.

I think some of this might be explained by the natural attraction to something different or less common (in the same sense that many of us are attracted to darker more exotic looking women).  However this doesn't explain it all.  Perhaps what I have observed is just the remnants of centuries old clascist thinking that permeated Latin culture so deeply.  

But in the end, I don't think a person's success in Colombia has much to do with skin color.  A good guy of any color shouldn't have much problem.