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The truth is most of the so called modeling agencies are little more than modeling schools. They really like to nickel and dime these girls to death by selling them classes and portfolios and such. They are much more interested in employing their models in their own pet projects than trying to promote the career of the models. And, how can you blame them. There is such an over supply of model quality women in Cali that it would be next to imposible to find regular employment for all of them.

When you try to hire any of these women, you usually end up feeling like a sexual preditor or something. Listen to Traveller when he says they are available but you have to shoot them at our agency and one of the staff will be with them the whole time. It probably has more to do with you getting the girls number and cutting the agency out of the picture all together. I don't know what the threat of perverts hiring the models are but it seems to me the threat is a little exagerated. Who the heck is going to want to do a full shoot of a girl with that brick wall as a back groung anyway. Only guys who want to make girly web sites thats who.

Probably spending a couple hundred dollars to book a photo shoot with the sole intention of asking the girl out is a bad idea and not a good investment. I wonder how many guys have actually tried to do this. But, who cares. I'm sure that if it happened most of the models in Cali would gladly take a couple hundred off a guy just so he ask her out.

And what if she was actually interested in the guy, I can't think of a better career move for a model in Cali than to move to the U.S. Hell when I brought my first Caleña wife to Phoenix, she told me that she wanted to be a model. I told her that I did think she could make any money being a model in Phoenix. I was sure wrong she made over $50,000 the first year she started. And she never even had any professional modeling experience. The only out of pocket costs where the boob job and the nose job.

If all the models in Cali really understood just how much more they would be worth if the were standing on U.S. soil, they would probably all be in marriage agencies. That would sure breath some life into the green card shark myth.

My first wife was american and I met her in a topless club. In 1986 she made more than 50 grand a year and never worked a forty hour week that I can remember. Depending on what city in the country you live in a  really goog looking topless dancer can make anywhere between 50 and 100 grand a year.

I don't know where these agency owner really believe that there models are going to be 10 years down the road but I'll bet even just being a topless dancer in the U.S. is a better out come than where 95% of them are headed. It seems to me that some of them must realize this because Traveller stated that 5-6 of his models belonged to marriage agencies already.

These are just generalization about the modeling agencies in Cali and not as an attack on Latin Modelos or Traveller. I'm sure he is a good guy who pays his models what they are really worth and has a plan to give his models meaningful employment and a way to change their lives for the better if needed.

... in response to The truth about modeling agencies in Cal..., posted by Calipro on Jun 12, 2003

Ok, you guys seem to say that the prettiest girls are in Cali.  Is this correct, or is this where most everyone goes on their trips?  My personal observation from looking at all the different agencies postings of their availiable ladies is that Cali does seem to have the pretties women.  But some of you visit other cities so I would love to hear you ideas on those cities as well.

... in response to Re: The truth about modeling agencies in..., posted by snap38 on Jun 12, 2003

Even if you just check the agency web sites you should see that the Cali girls look better.
We were talking Cartagena the other day so I checked A Foriegn Affair website Cartagena girls.Not too many very attractive to me.Then I checked the Latin Internet in Cali
web site,much much better in my opinion.Some of these other cities and other countries just don't seem to have the quality girls on their web sites you will find with the Cali web sites.Does that mean the girls are not a pretty?It would seem so but it might be an unfair comparison.
I have no direct experience with other cities,but the Cali girls look  fine in person also.
The consensus is usually the Cali girls are better looking.There is a reason its the latina shoppers world capital.

Pete

... in response to Re: The truth about modeling agencies in..., posted by snap38 on Jun 12, 2003

Snap,

It's useless to compare which Colombian cities have the most physically beautiful ladies.

They are in all the cities, small and large. If you find a pretty and nice girl from a smaller Colombian town or city, you better hold on to her.

Of the agencies that you see posted, that really isn't a good representation of the number and types of beautiful women that can be found. You're only seeing a small cross section on the agency websites, in the agency profiles, and even in the modelling agencies.

Cali has always had a reputation for pretty women, not just because of the women per say, but also because of the popularity of the city throughout Colombia.

The primary reason why most guys on this board are all over enthuised about Calenas is simply because it is where most of the agencies are; the infastructure for a gringo to meet a latina is firmly put in place in Cali. And many Colombianas want to leave the country.

Ok, as for other places:

Bucaramanga has beautiful women, with less to no women with cosmetic surgery.

Cartagena and Barranquilla, too. Bogota has beautiful women too, but those ladies are more reserved (generally speaking), not as extroverted. Calenas are considered the most extroverted ladies in Colombia, then it's probably the Costenas (women from the coastal cities).

In my honest opinion, when I was in Costa Rica, I found Costa Rican women to be prettier than Colombianas. But, you have to keep in mind that economics plays a big role. In Colombia, you'll find many girls who are beautiful, but because of the poor economy, many wont have a job and cannot afford to keep themselves up as well as they would like. However, if a guy found a girl like that, in that type of situation, he could provide her with a little money and other things so she could take better care of herself. In a month or so, the girl will be turning heads.
In Costa Rica, the economy isn't much of an issue because it's easier to find a job. So, the women can find ways to take care of themselves. Also, there are very few agencies in Costa Rica. In Costa Rica there are allot of Colombianas, too.

Try Panama, which has a ton of beautiful women, same with Brazil.

All over Latin America you will find beautiful women.

Jennifer Lopez who?

Aaron

... in response to Snap, posted by Aaron on Jun 12, 2003

Aaron have you been to panama...if so i need some info

... in response to Re: panama and Aaron, posted by my2cent on Jun 12, 2003

No No, I've never been outside the Panamanian airport, but given I'm familiar with the demographics of the population, and seeing the sample of beauties that work in the airport, I am always tempted not to take my connecting flight to Cali.

I'm sure it would be a great place to look for a wife. But, there may not be as many agencies.

Aaron

... in response to Re: The truth about modeling agencies in..., posted by snap38 on Jun 12, 2003

This subjective question has no answer and comes up often.  Go where it makes the most sense for you, preferrably don't limit yourself to one city if in doubt.

... in response to The truth about modeling agencies in Cal..., posted by Calipro on Jun 12, 2003

Calipro,

It is clear what kind of woman you are interested in.  You say you want a woman with inner beauty as well as outer beauty, but the truth is you can’t get a woman who would prefer to be a topless dancer or even settle to be a topless dancer and find any inner beauty in her.  Peddling your flesh, whether a prostitute, dancer, stripper, or even in some cases, a model, nurtures the baser instincts in a person, not their better virtues and any better qualities they possess would be eroded away by the lifestyle.

And people get older and less attractive, it is a fact of life, but you shouldn’t pitch a relationship onto the trash heap just because a gal isn’t as great looking as she once was, especially if she has “inner beauty”.  But you have tossed at least 2 wives that I know of from your postings, and I am sure it was because there were “b*tches”, but why did you marry them in the first place, if the “inner beauty” they  had, (I am sure they had some or you wouldn’t have married them, right?), was such a sham that within a relatively short time you are divorcing them because they are actually b*tches?  

It is pretty clear you only marry a woman to keep her around for awhile until the next hottie gets your attention.  There is no inner beauty for you, or if there is, it is a very relative “inner beauty”, like ‘she doesn’t take money for sex on the first date’ kind of inner beauty.  Not the kind of inner beauty where she actually cares about people and feels a responsibility to those around her.

While who you date and marry is your business, for you to rant and rave about modeling agencies and the precautions they take to give their models a measure of respect and security and keep men from horn-dogging them while they are working, which is exactly what you want to do, shows that you don’t even know the qualities that make up a person’s inner beauty; respect and consideration are right up in there, big time.  

And while you say this post wasn’t directed at Traveller, obviously it is directed center-square at him.  ‘Course you knew that, but in case others missed your none-to-subtle slam, I am pointing it out.

... in response to You just making this up as you go along?, posted by lswote on Jun 12, 2003

Iswote,
     I agree with you. But you have to remember, Calipro is one who once said when he goes to an agency, he looks for the youngest and prettiest girls there(If I am mistaken, I apologize). What does that tell you about him? Also, if he is not looking for a relationship,why keep getting married.
 He just married another teenager recently and they already broke up.
  Also, by saying he does not leave them worse off than before,does he mean financially? How about emotionally? Perhaps he scars a lot of these younger ladies more than he thinks. It seems he took great pleasure in ruining his ex-wife's reputation.
  No matter what she did,she was only 19! Let it go and move on.YOu are the adult!!!!She is a child!!! If a boyfriend pops into the picture you LEAVE immediately.
I actually feel sorry for a lot of these foreign ladies who are getting used and abused by AM just because AM think they can.
    Pete E was talking about a 70 year old AM in Colombia who just keeps hiring 16-17 year old housekeepers so he can sleep with them. How disgusting is that? I'm sure these girls are traumatized. Here they are trying to make a little money to help the family out,and this old man is taking advantage of his position.
  If these girls  wanted to sleep with old men,they would prostitute themselves and make 20x as much in a month. It is a shame there are men who travel just to take advantage of the situtaion instead of realizing what a wonderful oppurtunity it is to meet so many wonderful women.

... in response to Re: You just making this up as you go al..., posted by Mark33 on Jun 12, 2003

I wouldn't say I took great pleasure in ruining my wife's reputation. But, she deserved everything she got.  She is 19 years old but I would hardly classify her as a child. She had a husband and a boyfriend at the same time and in the end had plans of living with me in the States eventhought she was really in love with this guy. Not only that she was irresponsible enough to let this guy have my personal information so he could threaten me here in the U.S. She is anything but a child.

Stop with the drama queen stuff. How does a 70 year old guy sleep with 16 -17 year olds. Does he lock them in the closet or what. If he pays them they are prostitues, maybe you can clue them in on how much they are worth on the street. I don't know anything about that ,20X what?

... in response to Here come the drama queens......, posted by Calipro on Jun 12, 2003

For my future reference, is this how the board works?  I have an experience, I place it on the board, and the  perfect people who have never made errors in judgement then criticize my experience?  I was thinking that it was more of an information/experience exchange.  Sure people will have reactions, but beat a guy over the head with past post everytime you disagree?  I am probably just thinking too much.  luvn life.

... in response to Here come the drama queens......, posted by Calipro on Jun 12, 2003

CaliPro

How dare you do that to a 19 year old?  You should wait until they're 21.   ;-)

The truth is if anyone scarred these young girls it was their parents for not teaching them morals and self-respect.  

My ex started dancing topless after she got here (another Latina told her about it), but I stopped her.  I couldn't take all the physical contact that went on in the clubs.  She might have stayed with me if I had let her keep dancing.  She had the best of both worlds: a large income, and a safe harbor.  But I told her she had to quit.  When she left, she went right back to the sex industry.

Steve

... in response to Here come the drama queens......, posted by Calipro on Jun 12, 2003

Drama?
    I don't think so. I have enough friends from foreign countries who understand that many richer men prey on their maids because these girls have little education,and usually need to job to help the family with just basic needs. These girls have little choice but to accept the advances made towards them because they are in bad financial situations,and fear losing a job that may be putting food on the table for other family members.

  I am sure many are grateful to employers that respect them enough to understand they were hired just to clean house. These girls are not prostitutes,and I do feel sorry for them. If a man wants a girl for sex, I am sure there are plenty of places he can go to get it.I do not freequent those places, but it does'nt take a rocket scientist to realize a prostitute can make much more money than a housekeeper.

  Your x-wife was just a topless dancer and made over $50,000 working part-time.  Even that is much more than a part-time housekeeper in the U.S.

... in response to Here come the drama queens......, posted by Calipro on Jun 12, 2003

CaliPro,
You refer to your critics as "drama queens", however, please remember YOU are the one who is providing them with ammunition to use against you. If you don't want critics, don't share your dirty laundry on the internet.
In regards to your ex............first you call her irresponsible, then you say she is anything but a child. Then you say every woman you've had a relationship with ended up better than before, only to then say your ex got everything she deserved........wow, my head is spinning!!
CaliPro, your posts are the only "drama" on this forum, and every other post is a contradiction..............

... in response to Re: You just making this up as you go al..., posted by Mark33 on Jun 12, 2003

Another great post Mark 33!!! Man, you're on a roll!!!!!!

... in response to You just making this up as you go along?, posted by lswote on Jun 12, 2003

Yeah, I was married to a topless dancer big deal. She was one of the truly kindess people I ever met in my entire life.

I don't know where you get off referring to my ex-wives as b*tches because I have never ever called any of my ex-wives that. In fact I have never cussed at any of them nor have they me.

I admit I don't really know what the actual likelyhood of models getting horn-dogged while they are trying to work. But, I am well aware of the pitfalls of a women trying to pursue a modeling career in Cali. Mainly a career that doesn't amount to diddly squwat as compared to a career in the U.S.

In my opinion most of the modeling agencies in Cali take advantage of the girls or at the very least waste their time and money. It is just my opinion and a generalization. I have no reason to believe that Traveller and his agency are anything but honest and up front. If Traveller takes ofense to anything I have said. I'm sure he'll take it up with me. He's a big boy.

... in response to I knew somebody would go off the deep en..., posted by Calipro on Jun 12, 2003

Why the gang tackle on Cali Pro?  He is merely pointing out the fact that the commercial sex industry is much more pervasive in Latin America than it is here.  If there is sufficient interest, I'll be happy to elucidate the social and economic factors which cause this.  Its not as simplistic as "The girls need money".  Additionally, I thought relevant personal experiences were the purpose of this board.  Cali Pro recounts some of his and hostility begins to surface that he is airing his dirty laundry.  The point of all this is that others can learn from one's mistakes and experiences.  After all, who better to learn from than a Pro?

... in response to Amateurs Should Listen to a (Cali) Pro, posted by burbuja2 on Jun 12, 2003

I don't think he knows anything that I care to learn.

... in response to Amateurs Should Listen to a (Cali) Pro, posted by burbuja2 on Jun 12, 2003

burbuja2

Be careful who you look up to............where I come from a "Pro" is measured by his successes NOT his failures.

... in response to Amateurs Should Listen to a (Cali) Pro, posted by burbuja2 on Jun 12, 2003

Calipro's behavior aren't to gang up on him, but only to show him that he isn't a Pro that he claims to be.

Yes, he's been to a few places in Cali, and yes he has been married a few times; but given his history and outlook, his proclaiming to be a Pro of Cali is not consistent with the ideas of success that many other posters, and female members at agencies, have for finding a spouse.

He's a Pro at some things, whatever they may be, but not at others. Is he a Pro in your book?

Aaron

... in response to B , my comments about ...., posted by Aaron on Jun 12, 2003

I think maybe he might be a pro of what not to do when you go to Cali.

... in response to The truth about modeling agencies in Cal..., posted by Calipro on Jun 12, 2003

Calipro,
     How many times have you been married? I am counting 3! and you are only 40? Perhaps you need to reevaluate the kind of women you are go after, Plenty of good really pretty women around. My fiance is 29,but looks like a teenager. Plenty of people's comments when they see her are"How old is she"?

  But she has a head on her shoulder. Is an accountant by trade.Very careful with money. Treats me like a king and thinks she hit the lottery with me. She is easy to talk to. We share the same hopes and dreams. She does not go out to clubs. She has a great body, but dresses a bit conservatively.She is also as pretty as they come looking more latina than Philipina.with straight long black hair and olive skin. So it has nothing to do with lowering your standards.

   Set the bar just as high for her charecter as you do her beauty. Also make sure she is as attracted to you as you are to her. Otherwise, you end up getting used. I'm 33 and I have left the teen girls aside because they still have plenty to learn in this life. I'm not looking to be a father or teacher. Just a loving partner.

... in response to Re: The truth about modeling agencies in..., posted by Mark33 on Jun 12, 2003

Mark 33,

Great post!!!  And congratulations on your successful marriage.  I'm sure CaliPro considers you an idealist as well.
After reading CaliPro's posts over the last few weeks, it's clear that he is different than most of us, which is fine.
But I'm sure when he meets Calenas he portrays a much different person than his real self.  Lucky for his last Calena, that she kept her Caleno boyfriend on the side.

... in response to Re: Re: The truth about modeling agencie..., posted by beenthere on Jun 12, 2003

Thank you for the good wishes. I am not married yet. But engaged to a wonderful woman. Like you I am an idealist. I knew there was a woman out there that would treat me like gold,and love me just as much as I love her.
   I used to be the kind of guy who settled. Sure, I was dating extremely attractive( always foreign women living in the U.S). But I was not getting the attention,affection,and the love I needed from these women. It was mostly one sided. It took me a long time to be confident enough in myself to understand I deserved 100% of what I needed in a relationship. I also began to place a very high premium on a woman's charecter,intelligence,family values and self esteem.
  With my fiance, I finally realize how a woman who truly  is in love treats her man.Any man who has that can never accept luke-warm affections again. It is an amazing feeling to know the woman you love is crazy for you too,and she is going to be there for you through thick and thin.
   We all know that when we travel to a foreign country, it is not too hard to find a 9 or a 10 to marry .But what is her charecter like? Does she really love you or the oppurtunity to get a green card?
 Relationships are 2 sided. If she is not as hot for you as you are for her, you have basically set yourself up to be a sucker and meal ticket till the guy she really wants comes around. It is a shame that some guys base their self-esteem solely on the beauty of a wife they only get to keep for 2 years.
 
 

... in response to Re: Re: Re: The truth about modeling age..., posted by Mark33 on Jun 13, 2003

I will always take a 7-8 who is as crazy about me or even moreso than I am crazy about her, than a 9-10 that thinks a guy should thank his lucky stars to have a woman as attractive as she is.

One sided relationships are just not for me. It is also not important for the whole world to think or know that I have a young, hot wife or novia. If I am attracted to her and nobody else is. . . . .who cares?

... in response to The truth about modeling agencies in Cal..., posted by Calipro on Jun 12, 2003

Many, many a Calena's dream is to be a model......very, very few become successful.........I think you are correct that the model agency owners are the only people making money (in most cases). Models in Cali are a dime a dozen.  No big deal to meet one.......if you don't have looks, money, personality, and can't speak spanish, don't hang your hat on having a relationship with any.  They are good to look at, but I doubt many gringos have had serious relationships with any.  If so, I love to see a post, and I mean with a real Calena model.  I think it's time for some of you guys to come back down to earth and get real about what kind of woman you can realistically attract, have a successful relationship with, and marry.
BTW CaliPro, would you REALLY want your wife to  be a topless dancer???  Maybe I read your post wrong.........

... in response to Re: The truth about modeling agencies in..., posted by beenthere on Jun 12, 2003

I was already married to a topless dancer a while back and I really didn't have a problem with it. There are some pluses to it. She will make a pretty good income which you really don't have to pay taxes on most of it. She can change her schedule and take time off just about any time you want.

The only real draw backs are what other people say and do. I had a couple of guys at work find out that my wife worked at a topless bar. So they went in and got some table dances from her and then of course they had to tell me about it. I just asked them if they paid her after the dances and they said "yes". I just told them thanks for the business and walked out of the room.

Also, my ex-wife would often asked me why I wasn't jealous, I would tell her that I just couldn't get excited about her working as a topless dancer. I mean a guy could see her on the beach in a bikini or walking down the street in a tight dress and have a perverted thought at least she'll get paid for it. Other women won't get a dime.

Beenthere I don't want you to think that I mine your comments because I don't. But, you have to realize that all the guys that are going down to Cali are not exactly looking for the same thiing. My idea of an ideal relationship is not necesarily a life long relationship.(if it was I would keep her down in Cali like Cali Vet) My 3 year marriage to my caleña ex-wife in my opinion was the most successful relationship I ever had. Why? Because it was the most utterly enjoyable relationship I ever had. I'm not lying when I tell you she wasn't the only women that ever walked out on me, But she was the only one I was ever sorry to see go.

Beenthere I think you need to come down to earth. Remember your post where you were telling us how to tell if your caleña loved you a 110%. Is she always there to take your calls. etc. etc. I didn't want to tell you but I couldn't even pass your test. You are a very idealistic guy and I don't I think was 110% in love with my first caleña wife until I had lived with her for at least 6 months.

... in response to Been there done that!!, posted by Calipro on Jun 12, 2003

CaliPro,
I appreciate your comments and I appreciate the fact that you are looking for something different.  But are you willing to be up front with the Calenas you meet & let them know that you aren't looking for a life long relationship?? I doubt that you will, because if you do, they won't give you the time of day, they will look at you as a "perro", the same type they are trying to avoid (Colombiano).
As far as coming down to earth, I'm not sure what your referring to.  I'm sorry you couldn't pass my test.
Idealistic???  It depends on how you define it.........not everything is perfect, but it doesn't hurt to strive for perfection....Idealist=noble of character??? That's more like me.......and the Calenas love someone who is noble of character.

... in response to Re: Been there done that!!, posted by beenthere on Jun 12, 2003

I'm not saying that life long relationships are bad or that I wouldn't be interested in one. I'm just stating the obvious. It hasn't happened yet and my happiness does not depend on weather I find a life long partner or not.

... in response to Been there done that!!, posted by Calipro on Jun 12, 2003

You say that "My idea of an ideal relationship is not necesarily a life long relationship."  Upon meeting a young lady down south, at some point do you make this clear to her???  If so, how long do you wait to tell her???

Take care,

Mark

... in response to Just curious....., posted by markxport on Jun 12, 2003

I can't really tell you when women realize that my ideal relationship is not necesarily a life long relationship but that doesn't mean it will never happen.  I really never get to the point of name calling or argueing with women that I am involved with. When a woman really knows me, she knows she is free to leave at any time. When disagreements come up, I'm sorry to say it really is my way or the highway. I never said I was easy to live with.

In my own defense I can honestly tell you that I have never left a women in a worst situation than when I found her.

... in response to The truth about modeling agencies in Cal..., posted by Calipro on Jun 12, 2003

If a guy wants to date models in Cali he might consider staying at All Colombian Girls.  Ricardo also owns a modelling agency and one night he invited me and another gringo to go out with him and some of his models.  I didn't go because I already had plans with my future wife.  But the other guy went.  As a negative he said the models were really cold to him and it was a dud evening.  I think the really beautiful women are hit on so steadily that most build up a wall.  Unless a guy is very persistant and/or attractive he probably never gets anywhere with them.  Unless of course he wants to pay a price.  Anyway, if you want Ricardo can probably set you up with a model every night if you're staying at his agency.

Steve