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I reposted the pictures on a different site and they look a little better too. Below is the link:

http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=2176430&uid=1152368&members=1

... in response to A trip to Cali photos., posted by Calipro on May 29, 2003

What happened to this conversation.  It went off on a tangent.  What happened to the posting of links to pictures you all have taken in the past?

... in response to Re: A trip to Cali photos., posted by snap38 on May 30, 2003

The drama queens took over. It happens a lot around here!

... in response to A trip to Cali photos., posted by Calipro on May 29, 2003

You must be lucky to have found the 1 in 1000 calena that's not the jealous type!  (Those bed shots would be history in my castle)

... in response to Wife lets you keep those?, posted by cancunhound on May 29, 2003

I wouldn't exactly say I was lucky. I cancelled my wife's visa process two days before she was to receive her visa. Remember my analogy of colombianas. They are like monkeys. They never let go of one branch until they have a good hold on another. Lets just say she hung on to two branches way to long.

... in response to Re: Wife lets you keep those?, posted by Calipro on May 29, 2003

I thought you said in one of the other posts that you married her?  If so then why was she holding on to anything? Please explain a little if you can. Thanks

... in response to I thought you married her?, posted by Bubba on May 29, 2003

To get to the point of getting her visa in 2 days he would have already married her and did the first interview at the embassy in Bogota.Any woman still hanging on to another at this point should be dumped.Fortunately he found out before she got the visa,or she could travel here without him and cause problems for him in the US.He can probably get anullment in Colombia,better than a divorce later.
Better to find out sooner than later.Before the wedding would have been better yet.
If in doubt,don't marry them yet would seem to be a good policy.Sounds like there was big time deception.Finding out if you are being decieved is part of the decision process.If there are stories and actions that don't jive its a red flag.Don't proceed unless you  are confident of her.But mistakes are made.Our judgement can be impaired by the beauty of the girl you are dealing with.

Pete

... in response to I thought you married her?, posted by Bubba on May 29, 2003

I did marry her. Why she continued to see her boyfriend after we married I don't know. It was very stupid on her part.

I did hack into her e-mail account and read some letters. It appears she was going to come to the US and live with me but in fact she was in love with this guy and basicly told hime goodby but that eventually she dreamed of returning to Colombia and living with him. I know this all sounds really stupid but you have to remember that she is only 19 years old.Three months after she was here she would have forgot all about this guy. So, this in and of its self would not necesarily make me divorce her, believe it or not. I may not be the most faithful guy in the world myself, but at least, I'm not a hipocrit.

This is a really long story and I'm not sure how sharing it will really help anybody. Also telling it correctly will not exactly portray me in the best light.

I will just let you know that the real reason that I dumped her was because her boyfriend was threating me by phone 2 to 3 times a day and he knew just about everything about me like where I work, home address and numbers to my cel phones.I tried to warn the guy that it was very stupid of him to be calling me on the phone daily telling me that he was going to send someone by my house to kill me when for the same price I could send 10 - 15 guys to his house in Cali. The only problem was I didn't know where he lived at the time and my wife (if you can call her that) tried to protect him and that is why I dumped her.

I'll tell you guys what I told her. I said the only thing I will promise you is that I will not kill you or beat you, everthing else is fair game.

In the end, vengence was mine. I think I have dispelled any notion that americans are weak and that they'll take anything laying down at least in her family anyway. Sorry to say they just picked the wrong guy to mess with and I'll be real suprised if they of you guys find her in a marriage agency again.

... in response to Re: I thought you married her?, posted by Calipro on May 29, 2003

How did you hack her email account??? Was it a hotmail or yahoo account???

Just curious...

... in response to Re: Re: I thought you married her?, posted by wizard on May 29, 2003

I never could guess what her password was so I had find the answer to question: What is your favorite place?
Why? Are you thinking about hacking into your girlfriends e-mail?

... in response to Re: Re: Re: I thought you married her?, posted by Calipro on May 29, 2003

Thanks,

I was just curious... I'm in the IT business and when someone hacks an account it interests me... There are lots of ways to monitor computer activity... Guessing the answer to a person's "secret question" is one way to hack an account, but then you usually will have to change the password for that account... Therefore tipping off the account owner...

I was married in Bogota a few weeks ago and my wife is on her way to the US in a few days... Plus, I have no reason to suspect her of any unsavory activity... No old boyfriends threatening to kill me...

Good Luck...

... in response to Re: I thought you married her?, posted by Calipro on May 29, 2003

You would have went for it if the boyfriend was less aggresive?
Be carefull ,your judgement is letting you down.

Pete

... in response to Re: Re: I thought you married her?, posted by Pete E on May 29, 2003

I really don't know how the boyfriend could have been more aggresive except to have been sucessful in killing me. The thing that really killed my feelings for her was when she tried to protect him. I had a hell of a time finding him.

... in response to Re: I thought you married her?, posted by Calipro on May 29, 2003

Did you manage to officially wrap up the marriage - seems like a sharp scammer could really create some hastles for you if it was not offically terminated?  Damn, possibilities are endless (sue for child support, etc..).  Sorry to hear about your bad luck.

... in response to Was is annulled?, posted by cancunhound on May 29, 2003

Are you sure it was CaliPro's bad luck???  Sounds self inflicted to me.  A "Pro" wouldn't make the mistakes he did.

... in response to Re: Was is annulled?, posted by beenthere on May 29, 2003

Not sure what mistakes were made as I don't know the whole story!  Let's face it, some of these calenas will say or do anything and are very convincing - I can see this happening to anyone that marries down there, then goes back to the states and waits months for the visa - just never know.

... in response to I can see it happening...., posted by cancunhound on May 29, 2003

I think there are a number of red-flags that we can all look for. I have terminated many relationships in the last 3 years with Colombianas after seeing some.
 The bottom line is, are they 110% totally in love with you??  You will know.  Do they repect you??  How much time have you spent with this girl, on trips, in Cali, with her family?? Too many guys rush into marriage. (I know I did with my first).  Is she always available to take your phone calls? (especially if she has a cell phone).  Does she show you off to her friends??  Do her friends respect you??
Does she act mysterious sometimes in her whereabouts?
When you visit her, does she devout 100% of her time to you?
I'm not going to speak on the age difference, because I think in many cases it's not a factor.  But remember, we're all grown men here, most of us in our 40's & 50's.  Before we marry, let's take a reality check.  Marriage is a huge investment and a serious committment.  If we do our due diligence, get to know the woman, and I mean get to know her well, mistakes can be avoided.
Too many gringos put the blame on the Colombiana when things go afoul.  Many of these women are twice as young as us, far less educated, playing us for fools, and we don't see it??  Come on guys!!

... in response to Re: I can see it happening...., posted by beenthere on May 29, 2003

Yes,sometimes a Colombiana can be mysterious and hard to read.You don't have to read her,just dump her.A girl that is serious about you will let you know.There will be no mysteries or anything that doesn't jive.Untill you find that girl play around all you want but don't marry her

Pete.

... in response to Was is annulled?, posted by cancunhound on May 29, 2003

I'm not really worried about any hastles because I cancelled the visa process before she got here. I have a lawyer that will divorce us for $300 dollars. The only problem is my wife's whole family up and moved after I got done with them and I don't know if I can get divorced in Colombia if I can't find my wife.

... in response to Re: Was is annulled?, posted by Calipro on May 29, 2003

n/t

... in response to She is 19 and how old are you? n/t, posted by Sam Club on May 29, 2003

I'm 41. Next your going to be telling me I shouldn't marry a 19 year old because I'm short, bald and fat.

... in response to Re: She is 19 and how old are you? n/t, posted by Calipro on May 30, 2003

n/t

... in response to She is 19 and how old are you? n/t, posted by Sam Club on May 29, 2003

awe sh$t, here i go again...

... in response to I think 15...., posted by Aaron on May 29, 2003

[This message has been edited by Mark33]

 Did Calipro not marry another very young girl previously,who left him and married a doctor? If you want young girls,expect to be play lots of games.Otherwise stick to women. By the way, even if a man is 25 I would reccomend he not marry a 19 year old. Marriage is a santion which only mature people who REALLY know what they seek in life should enter into. Now if you want to casually date a 19 year old,that is a different story.

... in response to Re: Was is annulled?, posted by Calipro on May 29, 2003

She is going to want the divorce or annulment so she can go after another gringo, even to marry the boyfriend she needs it.

... in response to She will want it as bad as you, posted by Bubba on May 29, 2003

Also, I'm not in a big hurry to get divorced until I find out if I need to be married to get my cedula extranjera. Eventually I would like to buy a house and buisness and live in Cali.

... in response to Re: She will want it as bad as you, posted by Calipro on May 29, 2003

Good idea.  But I think all you need to have is any visa to get the cedula.  Under normal circumstances, you're eligible for the Spouse visa.

http://www.colhouston.org/English/visas/tc.htm

But that route would require a notarized letter from her.  That would be good for 2 years though.  I don't believe all the other visa options give you that much time.

I wonder how long the Colombian fiance visa would be good for?  That would be an easy one to get.

... in response to Visa first, posted by cancunhound on May 30, 2003

The "Temporal TS" visa covers a variety of options including retirement and marriage to a Colombian. Once you have a visa you have to register it at DAS within sixty days (or sixty days of entering Colombia, can't remember). Registering the visa consists of applying for a cedula extranjeria. The TS has to be renewed in Bogota annually for five years after which it's permanent. A marriage visa per se becomes permanenet in only three years.

... in response to She will want it as bad as you, posted by Bubba on May 29, 2003

She won't need a divorce to be with the boy friend. They'll just have a "union libre".

... in response to She will want it as bad as you, posted by Bubba on May 29, 2003

The boyfriend is out of the picture I'm quite sure. As for going after another gringo I have $1000 bucks that says she'll never look twice at another gringo. If any of you guys ever see her picture on an agency web site or meet her in person, take a picture and let me know. The money's yours.

... in response to Re: She will want it as bad as you, posted by Calipro on May 29, 2003

"The boyfriend is out of the picture I'm quite sure"

:)

... in response to She will want it as bad as you, posted by Bubba on May 29, 2003

I have seen them demand money to cooperate in the divorce.You are gringo big bucks,right?
And who said her boy friend is going to marry her?Better to get them after they have been f---ed over by a Colombian.They need to be real tired of toy boy losers before they are ready to get married.This Colombiana has obviously not gotten to that point.
Go for the annulment.Get the right lawyer.But that can be as hard to find as the right Colobiana,maybe more.I have had them take money and never get aroung to doing anything.
Check with Gary Bala,he just posted above.He should be able to tell you if an annulment is possible,and maybe knows a Colombian lawyer you can trust.

Pete

... in response to Yeah but - - , posted by Pete E on May 29, 2003

I already have a lawyer in Cali that will take care of it for $300.

The funny thing is when you hack into someones e-mail account you get all their contacts to.

After I sent a bunch of very personal photos of my wife and I together to her boyfriend and family, I don't really know how her boyfriend could ever kiss her the same way again. The last I talked to her sister, she was going to need thearapy or something.

... in response to Re: Yeah but - - , posted by Calipro on May 29, 2003

Classic, very nice!

... in response to Re: Yeah but - - , posted by Calipro on May 29, 2003

That sounds good, a woman who had 2 guys to chose from and couldn't now has the same 2 guys reject her. That's really hard on the ego on any 19 year old.

... in response to Way to go!, posted by Bubba on May 29, 2003

Hate to say this, but what do you really expect from a 19 year old girl? You said yourself that 3 months away from her boyfriend and she would forget him.
 In other words what you are actually saying is that a 19 year old does not really have deep feelings of love. She can easily be swayed in love. She really was just a child.Not ready for a relationship like many of us if we were 19. Contrary to rumor,these girls are not that much more mature than a 19 year old American girl.
   Good example of why men should steer clear of women under 25. I am 33 and I accidently dated a latin woman in the U.S who ended up being 19!!!!!!!.(She lied and told me she was 26,because I told her my age rule.) She reminded me quickly why I made that rule in the first place.She was doing what most 19 year olds do. Dressing for attention,wanting to go to clubs(must have used fake ID),wanting so much sex,only an 18 year old boy could have satisfied her,and living at home with Mom and Dad. Boy was I ever stupid!But as soon as I found out, I dumped her. First off for lying,second because I started getting really bored with her empty head.

... in response to Way to go!, posted by Bubba on May 29, 2003

I really don't like beating up on a 19 year old girl and her family but there was no way I was going to let her get away unpunished.Plus they made things a lot harder on themselves by not listening to me. I begged other people in her family to step in and let me know where this guy lived or worked and they wouldn't.

It wasn't until I hit them in the pocket book before they would return the wedding ring and computer. It would have been so easy for them to cough this guy up and return a few things and be done with me.

My wife really ended up costing her whole family a lot of grief and I can't imagine what her relationship is like with them now.

They must have though I was a really nice quy or full of crap (and I'm neither)or they would have given her better advice.

... in response to Re: Way to go!, posted by Calipro on May 29, 2003

Why would you want to know where this guy lived or worked???

... in response to just curious, posted by beenthere on May 29, 2003

If someone knows where I live and I work and they are threating me 2 or 3 times a day that they are going to send someone by my house to kill me,I personally have a great desire to know where they live and work.If I hadn't found him he would probably still be a problem to this very day.

... in response to Re: just curious, posted by Calipro on May 29, 2003

So you found him and he is no longer a problem?We probably don't want to know any more here but I would avoid getting caught up in the life is cheap thinking of some Colombians.
And your real problem was the girl.If she was having anything to do with him you don't want her so you don't need to worry about him.Get the hell away from both of them.
Its easier to just leave when it start getting this bad.Why get caught up in other peoples negative lives if there is nothing in it for you?

Pete

... in response to Sounds ominous, posted by Pete E on May 29, 2003

No really all that ominus. Its just a completely different ball game when you are threating someone who doesn't know where you are and when they know exactly where you are. He was always threating to send his friends over to my house. Well he actually got to meet mine. Well they aren't exactly friends ex-inlaws to be exact. Anyway he got the picture. It's much better to threaten people who DON'T know where you live.

I wish I could just have walked away when things started to go south. It would have been cheaper anyway. But, I do get some kind of sick enjoyment out of punishing people that thought they could mess with me and get away with it.

Anyway thats all behind me now. All I need to know is if I need to stay married to get my cedula extranjera or if I can get divorced right away.

The party starts June 26th. I'll be in Cali at least until the 14th of July so if any of you guys want to meet up while I'm in Cali just drop me a line.

... in response to Re: Sounds ominous, posted by Calipro on May 29, 2003

I'll send my regrets on attending your party. Nothing personal, I just wouldn't 'feel lucky' standing next to you. Anybody know what the current price for a 'two men on a motorcycle' job is these days?

... in response to You've got to be kidding, posted by Michael B on May 29, 2003

I'm not kidding and I think he got the point. You can't let these guys push you around. Why do you think he hasn't threatened me since?

Don't worry no offense taken for not taking me up on the party invite.

If you are scared of two men motorcycle job I probably won't be seeing you around Cali anytime soon anyway.

... in response to You've got to be kidding, posted by Michael B on May 29, 2003

More or less,could be cheaper under some circumstanses.
So it doesn't pay to p!ss anyone off.Just walk away from it.What goes around comes around.Be carefull in a place like Colombia,especially if you are thinking of living there for awhile.

Pete

... in response to $200, posted by Pete E on May 29, 2003

I agree with Pete.............CaliPro, with all due respect, I think you're barking up the wrong tree with your attitude and behavior in Colombia.  I've always believed that when someone is in a foreign country, he should be on his best behavior; it's a matter of respect.  We are guests there and should behave as such.  More importantly, this isn't just any foreign country, it's Colombia........not a good idea to make enemies there or get a bad reputation.  Believe me, it's a small world, word spreads.  And you are even thinking of moving there???  Good Luck.
There are so many available women there, it's hard to believe someone would be so hung up on some "little girl" to want to have her Colombian boyfriend "taken care of".
I think maybe you've been spending too much time watching the Sopranos.
I'll be in Cali June 18-30, but unfortunately, I too will have to say "NO" to your invitation.

... in response to Re:  $200, posted by beenthere on May 30, 2003

I realize this action is not viewed favorably by members of the board (That's why I posted that "don't go there" message above).  Recall CaliPro originally posted he didn't want to go into the details of all the events.  The fact is this is life in Colombia.  Recall that CaliPro was in the US and his life was at stake.  I would not have taken that threat lightly for one minute.  Walk like an Egyptian.  An appropriate Colombian expression comes to mind:

Nunca olvides 'DAR PAPAYA...'

1) Nunca de papaya

2) Papaya servida. Papaya comida!!!!

Ask any Colombian and they'll tell you the significance of it. Very helpful.

Saludos.

... in response to That's the ropes in Colombia, posted by cancunhound on May 30, 2003

He was in the U.S., and his life was at stake?? In other words, this girl's boyfriend was going to make a phone call and have CaliPro killed, here in the U.S.??  I don't believe that for one minute.

... in response to come now, posted by beenthere on May 30, 2003

I live in Phoenix AZ. The guy was calling me daily from Cali threatening to have someone come to my house and kill me. He had my home address and work address and the phone numbers to my cel phone and my home phones.

Although my wife is only nineteen here colombian boyfriend is 33 years old and her family confirmed the fact that he has friends living here in Phoenix.

I normally do not take death threats all that seriously because if I was going to really kill somebody, calling them up to tell them about it is the last thing I would do.
But, this guy was very persistant and the threats went on for about two weeks before I decided to take action.

He did have demands that he wanted met, like don't call his girlfriend (my wife) anymore and cancell the visa. I don't really respond to threats very well and the last thing I was going to do was listen to him. I guess if I was worried about making enemies in Cali, I would have just walked away and never looked back. But, in the end I have to live with myself and that just isn't me.

... in response to $200, posted by Pete E on May 29, 2003

n/t

... in response to Re: Was is annulled?, posted by Calipro on May 29, 2003

Ouch!  Seems like the Colombian lawyer could answer that one and if you have her Cedula #, you should be able to track her down with that pretty easily.  I believe it can be found on your notarized marraige papers that you would have processed in Cali.  IMHO worth every bit of $300 to get that "monkey" off your back.

... in response to Re: Was is annulled?, posted by Calipro on May 29, 2003

Pursue an annulment.Check with several lawyers.The guy you have may just want he $$ for a divorce.Like other Colombians,you don't automatically believe what they say.

Pete

... in response to A trip to Cali photos., posted by Calipro on May 29, 2003

Nice fotos.  Who is the girl on the 21st foto down standing by you? With the black top. Is her name viviana?  Was that taken at Ricardos?  Thanks

... in response to Re: A trip to Cali photos., posted by wendell on May 29, 2003

Yes, her name is Viviana and the photo was taken at Ricardo's place.