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[This message has been edited by outwest77]

This Ray trashing Gregg, is pathetic, i mean Faggot, Bastard? as titles to posts,

Not one guy has stepped up and told him to cool it,

I realize guys here disagree but this is total garbage.

And the board members allow it, I suppose this will bring a barrage of epithets from Ray, who is everyones Buddy, so they will just stay silent.

Ray is perhaps one of the most frequent and knowledgeable and helpful board members, But, to me that does not excuse titling posts "faggot", "bastard", and "butt licker"

I mean, is this what this board has come to? We all disagree with each other from time to time, and i am no exception, and we all have gotten hot under the collar when someone calls us on something, but i mean, is there no line that cant be crossed when disagreeing with someone?

Just my 2c , but i think it is the responsibility of all of the board members to say something in this case, even though most will stay silent.

... in response to This Board has gone to hell, posted by outwest77 on Aug 29, 2003

I'm fed up with Ray's Bullying me..Everytime I post which is seldom, Ray jump all over me..I'm fighting back, the only way I know. What would you do if Ray attack you every time you Post??? YOu would notice that I don't respond to any of his Posts unless he attack me. I find him to be an Arrogant and Ignorant Person. His responds to my Posts is showing his true colors. He's actually a Big Time Jerk. An intelligent person wouldn't even respond to my Posts. I think Ray's trying to Bait me, hoping that I leave the board or get banned. He got alot of Guys Banned or they left the board. I get plenty of emails from both Filipinos and AM Blasting RayS, and thanking me for standing up to his Bullying. It's a shame that he continue bringing himself down to a Dummy level of intelligence. Peace

... in response to This Board has gone to hell, posted by outwest77 on Aug 29, 2003

I don't quite see how Ray’s posting of Greg's responses in the title lines or responding to him in kind when he is talking like a 10 year old serves any purpose.  It is obvious that Greg is unequipped to actually exchange in a real argument and resorts to name calling when he runs out of logical replies, but Greg's excuse is just that he is not a very intelligent person, what is Ray's excuse?  Ray is obviously very intelligent.  The best way to refute an idiot is to continually deconstruct his arguments with sound logic and let his own idiocy cause his defeat.  It certainly worked with me and Aaron on the Latin board and Aaron isn't even stupid, but rather is a functional idiot.  The kind of guy my father used to say might be educated but didn't have enough practical knowledge to pour piss out of a boot with directions on the heel.

I know Greg is an idiot.  Any of us who have been here very long know it.  Hell I had Greg insult my wife once in his backhanded, probably wasn't smart enough to realize it was an insult, kind of way, but let's face it, he is a mentally challenged person and engaging in a mudslinging contest with him is like dealing with a child.

I am disappointed to see all these posts because it seems Ray is taking the lazy way out of this and just playing at Greg's level, when I think he is capable of responding like the adult he is and ending it.  At least ending it for those of us with a modicum of intelligence.  Of course Greg won't see it ended, but letting him rage like an idiot without a sparing partner in the mud with him will make it much more clear of his culpability in the manner instead of diluting it by playing at his level.

... in response to Stooping to the lowest level, posted by lswote on Aug 29, 2003

I didn't realize that I insulted Your wife. Your right that Ray has bought himself down to my Level. I tried explaining to him that he was making himself look as Foolish as myself. Ray enjoy talking Garbage as much as He enjoy Coping and Pasting posts trying to impress Readers. Guys may think Ray is intelligent according to his experience and knowledge of the Filipino culture, but he's as Dumb as myself. I get emails from Filipinos too ashamed to Post becuz Ray look down on Posters with poor English. Ray is a sick Bastard, his fighting with Posters of lower intelligence shows how Dumb he is.

... in response to Good Post Iswrote, Truly Sorry, posted by greg on Aug 29, 2003

Hey Gregg,

Just curious... When did you become "mentally challenged"?

I knew you had a physical problem (hearing), but I didn't know you were "mentally challenged" too. Is this true? Your retarded?? Personally I was wondering what kind of drugs you were on (see Berkley, Acid, LSD)since you say you don't drink. I mean these posts of yours are really off the wall, ya gotta admit. Since I am up most of the night. I can tell that most of your posts are posted late night/early morning. IF you ARE "mentally challenged", then please excuse my asking. It would at least maybe explain these outbursts of yours.

Here's a piece of advice; if Ray bothers you, ignore him. It's really that simple.

jay

... in response to Re: Good Post Iswrote, Truly Sorry, posted by Jay on Aug 29, 2003

I never did you any harm. Why are you taking Ray's side against me??? YOu should know for yourself that when a Person is very angry..He, She is gonna say anything. If your asking if I'm mentally challanged, you should ask Ray the same Question. When I 'm typing...I don't care if my Grammar or Spelling is off..What you asked me is uncalled for...I got no Beef with you. I got the right to defend myself against Bully Ray. What your gonna do if he continue to attack you every time you Post??? Your not going to ignore him, your going to fight back..Thanks alot for Insulting me. Later

... in response to Jay, why are you picking on me???, posted by greg on Aug 30, 2003

[This message has been edited by Jay]

Oh, knock it off, Greg! Now I'm picking on you??  Don't even try that with me, please.

Iswote said in his post that you were mentally challenged. You AGREED. You keep saying that Ray is comming down to your "dummy" level. You talk about "not being too bright". What the hell am I supposed to think? Who are you, Forrest F@ckin' Gump??? I just thought with all this talk about you being mentally challenged, that you might be and I didn't realize it.

I have nothing at all against you, Greg. However, it is painfully obvious to anyone stupid enough to read all this garbage (like me), that Ray only jumps on you when you say stupid sh!t or insult someone. Everyone can see that. Your not fooling anyone with these lame attacks against Ray by calling them self defense. I remember you, not Ray, insulting a lady's English. You also insult new posters. Your latest being Harold.Also, all this started over you saying, "Asian Ladies seem to ignore us. Can't wait to vote Bush outta office..". That's what I mean by stupid sh!t. Now, please tell me, just what f@ck does George Bush have to do with Asian ladies ignoring you and your son!!???

Your posts of the last couple of days are pure filth. Clean up your act. I'm not saying that Ray has no blame here. He could have ignored you. However, I am addressing you at the moment, not him.

Jay

... in response to Re: Jay, why are you picking on me???, posted by Jay on Aug 30, 2003

that what you're witnessing IS what passes for discourse in the People's Republic of Berkeley- right down to the grammar. They TEACH this stuff, I kid you not- including taking refuge in a handicap- EVERYONE is handicapped victim, don't you know? Nothing is ever your fault- it's ALWAYS the fault of conservative white men, dead or living (Hi, Ray!), epitomized by George Bush. It's a religion. I know it's incomprehensible, but I lived on Telegraph Avenue for years- believe it and weep. (or read Victor Davis Hanson, David Horowitz or even George Orwell- it's nothing new.) And these universal moral equivalence reactions are a milder form of it, sad to say.

... in response to Re: Jay, why are you picking on me???, posted by Jay on Aug 30, 2003

no I don't do drugs nor drink. I'm a body builder. My mistake about you, thought I was at Peace with You. Now your talking the same kinda Garbage against me. It's clear whose side Your on. I can trash you as your trashing me, but I'm not going to do that becuz this is your first time, so I will ignore what your saying, becuz your looking in the mirror and saying the exact things about Your Ownself. You and Ray fit like a Glove. Got nothing else to say to the likes of You and Ray. Btw, Yes I regret Ray and myself Messing up Patrick's board, becuz I like Patrick. I don't regret saying those words to Ray becuz he deserve it. You don't understand becuz Your his friend. Everybody has the right to fight back, if you don't like how I did it with Ray and others that continue to gloat me, then thats toooo bad. Later

... in response to Stooping to the lowest level, posted by lswote on Aug 29, 2003

L,

Oh, you’re just angry because I said some bad things about liberals (LOL). I’ll tell you what, I’ll try to keep the political rhetoric down but I reserve the right to respond to cheap-shot political attacks from greg or anyone else. Fair enough?

That’s cool that you can ignore greg’s insulting your wife and justify it because he isn’t smart enough to know what he was doing. I think I know greg better than that. He’s been blatantly insulting the women here and on other forums for a long time. I think he knows EXACTLY what he is doing. He invariably uses that tactic in an argument just to get a response. I’ve tried ignoring greg in the past and it only got worse. Am I going to shame him into stopping the attacks on the wives and girlfriends? I doubt it. But I’m not going to let it pass without commenting because he knows exactly what he is doing.

As far as your assertion that I am “stooping to the lowest level”, I don’t think that was fair. I don’t get into the gutter with greg or anyone else and insult his woman out of spite. THAT is about the lowest you can go and I won’t go there. There are definite limits to what I will say in any argument. For the others that like to use that tactic of insulting the women, they may just think twice if they know it will get a negative response from at least a few other readers.

Personally, I don’t think it’s a good idea to make excuses for blatantly unacceptable behavior because of mental capacity, fragile personality, or any other physical or mental flaws. If someone can’t argue without being at least civil and recognizing some boundaries, then they shouldn’t be arguing here, plain and simple. Threatening physical violence or death or insulting other member’s spouses or loved ones are examples of “stooping to the lowest level” and should NEVER be tolerated, IMHO.

Peace,

Ray

... in response to "lowest" level?, posted by Ray on Aug 29, 2003

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... in response to "lowest" level?, posted by Ray on Aug 29, 2003

Your full of Crap, you wipe your stinky Rump without tissue and eat YOur Shiit. YOu have insulted many Filipinos..I get email everyday since our Flame wars YOu Bastard, they are thanking me for standing up for all Posters with poor English. YOu have insulted many Posters that have poor English. YOu even insulted your own wife.

... in response to Ray don't insult Filipinas???, posted by greg on Aug 29, 2003

Thank you greg for proving my point!

You have again shown your true colors to the whole world.

Good night greg... :-)

Ray

... in response to This Board has gone to hell, posted by outwest77 on Aug 29, 2003

[This message has been edited by Bear]

Hmmmm?  Seems to me there have been hundreds for years.  Don't you remember CBB?  Even others more recently put down my wife.  Others ridiculed a girl who was maligned by a real @sshole without any proof, till I saw it myself and responded to the lying jerk.  

I just ignore the trash mouth stuff.

Bear and Honey

... in response to This Board has gone to hell, posted by outwest77 on Aug 29, 2003

I agree with you 110% Outwest, what a waste of space on Planet Love. Maybe Patrick should change the name to Planet Hate. I certainly don't claim to be an angel (ROTFLOLTNTPIMP) ;-) but this back and forth bickering is such a waste of everyone's time and energy.

Grow up and get a life!

Hum

... in response to Board  gone to hell ?... Planet Hate?, posted by Humabdos on Aug 29, 2003


Humabdos on 8/27/03: “Let's just hope Nazi Arnold beats that f-ing Mexican for gov of CA !!!!”

I agree with you 110% Hum, the name of the board should be changed to “Planet Hate”. Now “Grow up and get a life!”

Love & Peace :-)

Ray

... in response to Re: Planet Hate, posted by Ray on Aug 29, 2003

Maybe Greg is on to something you just might be the cut and paste king! ROTFTNTPIMPLMAO!

So Arnold isn't a Nazi and Mexicans don't F ? ;-)
Hum

PS if I lived in Ca I would vote for Arnold, so far I like most of his ideas.

... in response to This Board has gone to hell, posted by outwest77 on Aug 29, 2003

Hey Outwest,
Thank you for bringing this topic.Like some of the poster here I also choose to be silent.Greg is a nice guy if you know him and Ray as well.But this two friend of mine(Ray and Greg) drive me away from this board I guess.They give me idea that american can be like filipino sometimes.I  always witness filipino  fighting,name calling,punching each other,boxing, and chasing each other machete before.I never thought that this happen to American because I see american as a model,well behave,professional and well educated.So far I never see any fighting in my lil place here in illinois.People here were all nice but after I read greg and ray post it give me idea that sometimes they can be nasty too.This scares me.
My husband is a poster here long ago ,before he meet me but like hamlet he try not to post anymore because sometime you throw topic that hit the nerve of somebody you feel like a christian thrown in the dungeon sorrounded by lions.
Everytime I read the board I always share to my husband whats the topic of the day I even let him read Stephen joke most of the time.For Ray and Greg please make this world a peaceful place.Forgive and forget.

The fairest action of our human life
 Is scorning to revenge an injury;
   For who forgives without a further strife,
     His adversary's heart to him doth tie:
       And 'tis a firmer conquest, truly said,
         To win the heart than overthrow the head.
     - Lady Elizabeth Carew (Cary or Carey), Chorus from "Maxiam

I pray that every passing hour
 Your hearts may bruise and beat,
   I pray that every step you take
     May bruise and burn your feet.
Raquel

... in response to Re: This Board has gone to hell, posted by Febtember on Aug 29, 2003

I apologize to you for any nastiness I have contributed or encouraged. And please don't worry, I think the whole thing is running out of steam and will soon be forgotten.

Your reaction makes me curious though. May I ask, what would you recommend a father to do if a child were bullying and saying mean things to the other children? I really would appreciate your perspective on this. I am trying to prepare myself, you see. :)

And, frankly, the last four lines of you post kind of scare ME! :)

Thank you.

... in response to Re: This Board has gone to hell, posted by Febtember on Aug 29, 2003

I'm Sorry. Kiss matthew for me.

... in response to This Board has gone to hell, posted by outwest77 on Aug 29, 2003

Hi Out,

Thanks for your concern for the state of the forum and for poor little greg :-). I actually intended to reply privately but your e-mail addy isn’t listed.

Had you simply protested that some of the language offended you, I would probably have agreed with most of what you had to say. But since you obviously took sides in the “debate” with your comment “This Ray trashing Gregg, is pathetic”, then I can only take your post as a flame from an opportunistic malcontent who wanted to get in a few shots to satisfy some personal agenda, much like Hamlet did. I understand that you want to get me into a fight with you, but I really don’t have the time or inclination, thanks.

Were those words in the subject line “obscenities”? I think the real obscenities are filtered out pretty well by Patrick’s cuss-o-meter. Anyway, I agree that “faggot” and “bastard” (and others) are usually not appropriate, but I put those words in the subject line for a purpose and no, I was not “hot under the collar” when I did. You yourself have been involved in a lot of the fights that go on here and on the Latin board and you’ve probably started your share too. But like most of us, you usually keep the language and the insults at a tolerant level. Some folks (greg specifically) frankly don’t give a damn what language they use on this forum because they have zero respect for others.

greg has a very limited vocabulary and he won’t play fair for long when he gets into a fight. When he feels that he is falling behind, he comes on with all the foul language and name-calling he can muster and invariably drags his opponent’s wife or fiancée into the fight for affect. I guess you think it’s just fine to bring the wife into it because you didn’t say a word about that kind of despicable behavior. I always speak out when someone gets into a shouting match and then stoops to the gutter-level tactic of dragging the wife or girlfriend into the insults because I think that is NEVER appropriate. I guess you and I have much different value systems because you never speak out when that happens, but that’s cool if that’s the way you think.

Your main concern was that the words “faggot” and “bastard” appeared on your screen. When greg started dragging my wife into almost every one of his flame posts, he had crossed the line in my book. He was trying to do anything possible to get me pissed but it simply didn’t work. His posts became more and more idiotic with more and more foul language thrown in. I put some of his comments in the subject line so that you and others could see what this guy was made of. Those words were quotes of greg’s and that’s why they were enclosed in quotation marks. I guess it went right over your head because you missed the whole point. If Greg was going to insist on insulting others’ wives and using that kind of language, then I put it right up there in the subject of a reply so you wouldn’t miss a word. I guess it didn’t work because you misunderstood it as “greg trashing”. I guess I’ll re-think using that tactic so thanks for bringing it up. I agree that some of these fights are getting out of hand but it’s just not my style to stand by and watch greg bully the ladies. Maybe I’m just too old-fashioned? :-)

I think my opinion of greg is well known here. He has been playing the schoolyard bully on Mag-Anak and Planet Love for a long time now. He takes pleasure in picking on the females and insulting them until they leave the board. I think his comments to Esiang, mocking her language skills and telling her to “take an English class”, was one of the most disgusting moments on this forum. greg thinks that’s perfectly O.K. and he still justifies his disgusting behavior. He doesn’t want any woman here who disagrees with him and he’ll do anything to run them off. I guess those things don’t bother you because you have never spoken out against it according to my memory. Bottom line is that greg is nothing but a boorish little bully who needs to be slapped down once in a while. He is a common troll and he contributes just about zero to the forum. He has always been a troublemaker from the day he arrived because that’s his game. Since you and others wouldn’t say anything to him about his disgusting behavior, I did. It was either that or let him run off the ladies who want to participate here. Are my tactics “pathetic” as you say? I realize that some folks think so and I don’t enjoy it either. But what are the alternatives? We tried ignoring greg and he took it as a green light to get even more obnoxious and insulting to other members. It’s not my style to whine to Patrick like greg does. We’ve always managed to handle the trolls in our own way. You and others can choose to accept greg’s behavior and let it continue, but I don’t. Trying to run off new female members because he doesn’t like them may be acceptable to some folks, but not to me. If you think I’m wrong, then you certainly have every right to tell me so, but please offer your own alternative to dealing with the trolls. Thanks.

If the term “butt-licker” offended you, then I apologize. Frankly, I didn’t consider it “obscene” like you did. You’ve been in many fights here Outwest. How many guys do remember crying to Patrick like a little baby and trying to butter him up so he wouldn’t get banned? What term would you use to describe that kind of sissy behavior? “Kiss-ass”? “Brown-nose”? I thought the fight was over until greg posted that nonsense message to Patrick. Butt-licker came to mind as an appropriate term to describe greg’s whining to the forum owner, but again, I’m sorry if it offended you. I forgot that some people are that sensitive :-)

Peace,

Ray

... in response to Re: gone to hell, posted by Ray on Aug 29, 2003

is 100000% true. YOu have run off Countless Filipinas and AM from Both Mag-Anek and PL. YOUr soooo right, your been a troublemaker ever since you set foot on PL. Very good Post about yourself...Clap Clap

... in response to This Board has gone to hell, posted by outwest77 on Aug 29, 2003

Outtie,

You're right.  Earlier in the day I had thought about voicing my opinion on the matter, but thought better of it.  

I agree with Hamlet.  On those rare occaisions that I have had a chance to visit my old stomping grounds and feel the itch to post, I often become disenchanted with the content, supress the urge and retreat back into the real world.  This type of silliness has run more than one worthwhile contributor to this board over the years, but hey... live and let live.

I just don't understand why you're calling Ray out.  It's obvious that Greg becomes frustrated with Ray, for whatever reason, justified or not and resorts to name calling.  The fact that he brings Ray's wife and/or weight--which is exagerated for humor's sake, I suppose--is in poor taste, but hey... I consider the source.

For the record I think Greg has just as much right to be here as any one of us does.  He has always been amiable towards me and other than his refusal to let discussions that should die, die I really don't have a problem with him.

Also, it's very obvious to me what Ray is doing and I personally don't have a huge problem with it.  I don't like seeing that kind of language here, but what he seems to be doing is bringing our attention to how out of line Greg's retorts are getting.  It got my attention.  Usually I skip over posts that have the two of them replying to each other continually, because I know what's most likely contained within.

It is my opinion that no one here, myslef included, is as quick to offer advice, answer the same questions over and over again, or is as willing to offer help to newbies and veterans alike as Ray is.  He brings a lot of knowledge which many of us have benefitted from time and time again.

I think it's all a little humorous, but it's worn thin lately.  

Keep the Faith

Fire Away

H

... in response to Re: This Board has gone to hell, posted by Howard on Aug 29, 2003

Thanks guy!

I still haven't forgotten your "BJ" post. What a classic! TNTPIMGDP!

Ray

... in response to Hi Howard, posted by Ray on Aug 29, 2003

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... in response to Re: This Board has gone to hell, posted by Howard on Aug 29, 2003

Wow Howard posted, have not seen you around for ages big guy hope all is well with you and the little woman, you are my favorite poster.

Live and let live as you say

... in response to sup Howard, posted by outwest77 on Aug 29, 2003

Outtie,

All goes better than I ever expected :D  If it wasn't for BCIS I'd be deleriously happy :P  LOL  They sure take the fun out of everything LOL

I'll see if I can't put together an update on this long weekend :)  

How's stuff with you?

Keep the Faith

H

... in response to This Board has gone to hell, posted by outwest77 on Aug 29, 2003

I think it is obvious who is the originator of most of the foul language in these recent diatribes. Quoting same in a subject line may be questionable, but it is subsidiary to the original offense.

I did suggest to Ray privately that he 'cool it', but he justified what he is doing to my satisfaction. There is method to his madness, if you will.

Frankly, OutWest, I find your post pathetically biased:

"This Ray trashing Gregg ..."- the trashing is mutual, at the very least.

"I suppose this will bring a barrage of epithets from Ray"- do you really? Give me a break. Please site one other poster who has suffered same.

"Not one guy has stepped up and told him to cool it..."- nor have you, except in a back-handed way.

Apparently you have absolutely no problem with the way Greg behaves. You are judged by the company you keep.

... in response to Discussion Board Rules: 6.   No foul lan..., posted by HaroldC on Aug 29, 2003

already your looking for trouble. You really smell like a stinking TROLL. Sooner than Later, Ray and others Gonna smell you out and run your Rump off the board.

... in response to HaroldC, you just recently started Posti..., posted by greg on Aug 30, 2003

gregg,

The TROLL has been smelled out and it is YOU! :-)

Run your own rump off the board... LOL!

... in response to Discussion Board Rules: 6.   No foul lan..., posted by HaroldC on Aug 29, 2003

If you notice below,,,,,,,,,,Gregg, who i agree is equally as guilty in keeping the fights going, says, hey lets take this off the board.

What is rays response..........faggot buttlicker in the title of his reply.

That is my beef with Ray, i am not saying he is the one causing the fights, Gregg is just as bad.

But TITLING HIS REPLYS, with epithets, that is my beef.

We dont come to the board to watch Ray and gregg curse each other out, The fact that they do it, is bad enough, without TITLING the reponse with obscenities, so we scroll down the list of recent responses and See Faggot, Bastard, butt licker.

Not exactly what i want to see when i scroll down the recent list of posts. but since Ray is ur buddy you defend it, of course

... in response to TITLING THE REPLYS WITH OBSCENITIES, posted by outwest77 on Aug 29, 2003

"Gregg ...  says, hey lets take this off the board."- he is on the run and trying to weasel out. Look at his pathetic excuse for not doing so- and he wouldn't anyway- no fun in it.

"but since Ray is ur buddy you defend it, of course"- I think I have given a reasoned defense, not a knee-jerk defense of a buddy. As I said "Quoting same in a subject line may be questionable, but it is subsidiary to the original offense."

You appear obsessed with a couple of ugly words and have not yet even acknowleged that Greg is garbage mouth.

... in response to My last comment to you on this matter ....., posted by HaroldC on Aug 29, 2003

They both enjoy obscenities, then its tit for tat, each one blaming the other.

... in response to Discussion Board Rules: 6.   No foul lan..., posted by HaroldC on Aug 29, 2003

Yup and obviously Ray is ur buddy, so if one of the foul mouth participants is ur best bud , the company you keep says what about you?

... in response to This Board has gone to hell, posted by outwest77 on Aug 29, 2003

Hi Outwest,

From what I have read, Ray was just quoting what Greg has called him "Faggot, Bastard." They are both "trashing" each other and neither one is an innocent victim. I am not a fan of censoship and believe in fighting it out until victory, defeat or a truce is reached. If Patrick wants to end it, he will delete the posts and tell then to stop. In the mean time, I just skip over the posts that I am not interested in reading.

Dave H.

... in response to Why Cool It?, posted by Dave H on Aug 29, 2003

You,  Outwest, Howard, Humb, Larry, SteveG + B, tneal, Stephen, Bear are the few good Guys on this board. I'm really sorry for my Part in TRASHING this board, but I can't stand Ray. I will try to Chill, thanks

... in response to Why Cool It?, posted by Dave H on Aug 29, 2003

[This message has been edited by outwest77]

Perhaps he has called him that, i know Gregg is equally as guilty, i am just getting tired of the whole thing,

The fighting itself never seems to end which i guess none of us can stop

All i am saying it TITLING THE POST faggot bastard etc
is making us all have to see that, if they are going to call each other names like that, at least keep it in the BODY of the post, not the title,

Also, why does the board space have to be taken up with stuff like that period, what purpose does it serve to the board, it is a private dispute, not contributing anything to the board, no info , zip

... in response to The titles of the posts, posted by outwest77 on Aug 29, 2003

"i know Gregg is equally as guilty"- Thank you for that grudging admission, but there is no equality in this situation.

"Perhaps he has called him that ..."- it's right there in black and white.

"... call each other names like that"- one called, one quoted to call attention to it.

"it is a private dispute"- not really. That's what Greg would like you to believe. Ray is doing our dirty work, fighting fire with fire, because Greg has a history of bad-mouthing the ladies ("If this Ray is soo concerned about a Person's English, why on earth do he continue to marry Filipinas???")- to their faces as well, WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE AND NOT TO BE GLOSSED OVER, FORGIVEN OR FORGOTTEN. Giving him any encouragement, like you and Hamlet, is only going to prolong the process.

If you are tired of it, just ignore it, please! I suspect the whole thing will be deleted shortly.

... in response to Do you not read?, posted by HaroldC on Aug 29, 2003

I realize Ray is a good contributor to the board , and frankly i dont follow the fights too closely why, when , how,
I just think it has no place on the board