Title: "Frank O" seems like a bad guy to me Post by: lawcom on June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM To "Frank O" (and his misguided sympathizers):
You dumb, dumb, dummy. You wrote earlier that you think your Ukrainian wife may be pregnant and that it may be your child. And now you write that your atty "took care of all that" so she can't even "try to enforce anything" on you relating to your paying child support? Well, guess what dummy...if the child is born or conceived during your marriage (which it was in this case), Texas law says you are presumed to be the father. One of the questions you will be asked during the "prove-up" of your divorce in front of a judge is whether or not any children were born during the marriage and whether or not a child is expected at this time. You will be under oath and you must tell the truth and say she is pregnant (but based on the lack character you have displayed, you will probably lie to the Court and commit perjury). Because you write in this forum that you believe the child may be yours, then the way you would overcome that presumption is through a DNA test...right? But you're not gonna do that. The judge should inform you and your atty right then and there that you that you cannot finalize your divorce in Texas until the child is born so that the parent-child relationship may be established and adjudicated. If you think you are clever and that you may be able to just avoid the issue by lying to the Court, she (or the child) may still come back to Texas one day and seek enforcement against you in the Court of continuing jurisdiction (the Court where you filed) and you WILL owe back child support for all those years...PLUS INTEREST. In Texas, she may seek pre and post natal medical expenses, as well as child support from the time the child was born. At 20% of your total net resources for 18 years or more (plus interest), you may end up paying her BIG. I hope she knows this and I hope she plays her cards right. Aside from your LEGAL responsibility, you should also be concerned with your own MORAL responsibility. If you do have a child with her...you should be talking less about evading enforcement of child support and begin thinking more about fulfilling your responsibilities to your unborn child. Do you think a child is just some kind of mutt that can be tossed aside? If that is the way you think, she was right to treat you like the scum you are...and dump your ass! Title: Look out, Frank Post by: Michael B on July 01, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to "Frank O" seems like a bad guy..., posted by lawcom on Jun 30, 2005
[This message has been edited by Michael B] Frank, I'm not going to call you a bunch of names or such as that. However, the above poster is right about one thing--You (could be) in a heap o trouble, boy. Texas Family Code: § 160.204. PRESUMPTION OF PATERNITY. Amended by Acts 2001, 77th Leg., ch. 821, § 1.01, eff. June 14, Title: Frank O.....why even get married ? Post by: Art on July 01, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Look out, Frank, posted by Michael B on Jul 1, 2005
Seriously. Go over there and enjoy the culture and be a tourist. Man, look at that last post about those Texas Laws...Which are clearly not in your favor. Scarey stuff. Title: Does Texas even have jurisdiction? Post by: Ray on July 01, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Look out, Frank, posted by Michael B on Jul 1, 2005
Are you asserting that Texas law applies in this case, even though the marriage took place in a foreign country, the baby was conceived in a foreign country, the baby is born in a foreign country, while the mother and baby live in a foreign country? Talk about the long arm of the law! If she were to apply for U.S. citizenship for the child at a U.S. consulate abroad, her chances of success would be slim and none without his cooperation. Ray Title: Re: Does Texas even have jurisdiction? Post by: Michael B on July 01, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Does Texas even have jurisdiction?, posted by Ray on Jul 1, 2005
Sure it does. Texas is where he filed the divorce, isn't it? Now, maybe the soon to be X neither realizes this nor cares about getting child support. I'm certainly not going to be the one who tells her. But, if she figures it out (or especially if some dogooder society hears of her situation and decides to represent her) then Frank's lawyer better be a magician or he's going to be paying for a long time. And even if it takes her a long time to figure it out, when/if she does, the court can and WILL make it retroactive. Title: my thoughts exactly Post by: TwoBitBandit on July 02, 2005, 04:00:00 AM Title: Re: Does Texas even have jurisdiction? Post by: TwoBitBandit on July 01, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Does Texas even have jurisdiction?, posted by Ray on Jul 1, 2005
Ray, I'm not a lawyer and I don't play one on TV. But, I'm fairly certain that if she showed up in Texas a year from now seeking a child support order, I'm fairly certain she'd get it. The father lives in Texas and the wife never lived anywhere in America except Texas. That's probably enough to give a Texas court jurisdiction. Like I said, I ain't no lawyer. But, I think that Frank is leaving himself wide-open for an enormous bite on the ass. Title: Re: Re: Does Texas even have jurisdiction? Post by: Ray on July 01, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Does Texas even have jurisdiction?, posted by TwoBitBandit on Jul 1, 2005
But the child has no visa and wouldn't be elligible for one unless Frank petitioned him/her... Since he is already paying a Texas attorney, I think he should ask her if his ass is biteable. Title: I DID take my atty's advice. Post by: Frank O on July 01, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Does Texas even have jurisdictio..., posted by Ray on Jul 1, 2005
Her advice was to send her home & NOT to sleep with her. That was not happening anyways so it's a moot point. I'd like to think she knows what she is talking about. If not she'd have a LOT of explaining to do for the top $$ I paid her. The other thing to consider is just how stupid my ex wife is. Title: Yet ANOTHER Thing Post by: Frank O on July 01, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to I DID take my atty's advice., posted by Frank O on Jul 1, 2005
my wife could VERY seriously have an abortion. She DOES NOT want a kid. She was even in denial about the whole pregnancy issue. Abortions are VERY common over there. I would NOT put it past her as in her own words she is not good with children & being pregnant would "make me look fat & ugly" & the child would be an "inconvenience" to her. It sounds ugly but man that's what arrived in Bush Intl man. Definately not the girl I thought I married. Title: Re: Re: Re: Does Texas even have jurisdiction? Post by: TwoBitBandit on July 01, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Does Texas even have jurisdictio..., posted by Ray on Jul 1, 2005
Yes, but that's a separate issue. The child may not need to come to the US for the mother to file a child support petition. Title: Well the baby ain't born so that eliminates Post by: Frank O on July 01, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Look out, Frank, posted by Michael B on Jul 1, 2005
most of those what if scenarios. Not to mention once again she's over there & I'm here. I sure am NOT paying for her to come back here. So unless she can fork out her own cash to get over here with no legal SPOUSE...well let's say I've moved on. Like I said my atty took care of me. That's what I paid her for after the tongue lashing she gave me. Title: Don't be naive Post by: TwoBitBandit on July 01, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Well the baby ain't born so that elimina..., posted by Frank O on Jul 1, 2005
Frank, The one true thing people can say about this world is this: ya never know what's gonna happen. Frank, this clause: § 160.204. PRESUMPTION OF PATERNITY. Is enough to put you on the hook. Even if your divorce was final today, you'd still be presumed to be the father by virtue of this clause, since the baby will be born before 301 days after today. Don't be naive. This could still bite you on the ass in an enormous way. Title: Re: "Frank O" seems like a bad guy to me Post by: fathertime on June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to "Frank O" seems like a bad guy..., posted by lawcom on Jun 30, 2005
Hey bonehead, way to selectively choose facts to fit your case! Based on the way you selectively forgot many of the pertinant facts in this situation, I can see how you are such an outstanding attorney and man. Title: Oh another thing I forgot to add... Post by: Frank O on June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to "Frank O" seems like a bad guy..., posted by lawcom on Jun 30, 2005
in the end I'm the one who "dumped her A$$" & made sure she got on a plane to Kiev with her divorce papers she was served. Fat chance on her coming back. Title: But... Post by: Ray on June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Oh another thing I forgot to add..., posted by Frank O on Jun 30, 2005
“Fat chance on her coming back.” Frank, with that multiple-entry K-3 visa in her passport, she can come back anytime she wants during the next 2 years. She could be on a plane right now and you would have no idea until you hear her knocking on your door. Have you officially withdrawn that I-130 petition yet? I wouldn't put it off for another day if I were you. Ray Title: Re: But... Post by: Globetrotter on June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to But..., posted by Ray on Jun 30, 2005
If I'm not mistaken, a K1 is a single entry visa until she gets a green card. During that time frame, I think advanced parole must be applied for and granted for every journey/re-entry, thus I would think there's no chance for her to re-enter....but correct me if I'm wrong. Title: Re: Re: But... Post by: Ray on July 01, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: But..., posted by Globetrotter on Jun 30, 2005
Yes, you are correct that the K-1 is a single-entry visa. However, Frank’s wife had a K-3, which is valid for 2 years and lets her re-enter the country with virtually no restrictions. If Frank withdraws the I-130 spouse petition before it is approved, then there is no longer a legal basis for her K-3 status. Also, the K-3 visa is technically invalid once the marriage is ended and the immigration people should cancel her K-3 status in their database, but only if someone notifies them that the marriage has been legally terminated. Ray Title: Re: Re: Re: But... Post by: Globetrotter on July 01, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: But..., posted by Ray on Jul 1, 2005
Yes, yes, of course, a K3 gives the girl an instant green card with no INS/BCIS paperwork to fill out for a while. Sorry Title: Not quite Post by: Ray on July 01, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: But..., posted by Globetrotter on Jul 1, 2005
Globe, A K-3 does not include an “instant” Green Card. She will still need to adjust status just like a K-1 fiancée would before she is granted legal residency. The other option would be to return to her country for her immigrant visa interview and then re-enter as a CR-1/IR-1. The K-3 is intended to allow the foreign spouse to come here while waiting for the I-130 petition approval. Ray Title: You are wrong.... Post by: LP on June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: But..., posted by Globetrotter on Jun 30, 2005
...Frank was married in Ukraine and filed a K3. Different situation. Ray is very knowledgable on this stuff so I'll let him elaborate. Get with the program, don't make me come over there ;). Hope all is well.... Title: Re: You are wrong.... Post by: Globetrotter on June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to You are wrong...., posted by LP on Jun 30, 2005
Gary Saab, I stand corrected. And you are welcome over here anytime...and you know where I live. Hope all is well with you also. Did you have a good trip? Title: Re: You are wrong.... Post by: LP on June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: You are wrong...., posted by Globetrotter on Jun 30, 2005
..Yeah, it was a panic. I spent a week bumming around the Carib with a friend in his amphib, a Lake Renegade. A hoot it was. I then spent some time in the UK and in UA, including three days exploring the zone, my third and final trip there. I was all over Pripyat and the outlying areas as well as spending some time in the station itself, in Unit One. I wouldn't recommend this as some areas off the tour route in Pripyat have high rates. Besides, you have to know the right people to just go wandering around. Was very interesting though, the guy I was with was a former station big shot and Pripyat resident. I've got some great stories about him. I had good gear but we still ran into spots that required a timely exit, mostly near the cafe, amusement park, and in the hospital. None of that is surprising when you consider those locations and what happened during the accident. One of the helos in the graveyard was OK until I went up into the cockpit where my dosimeter alarmed. 3 rem/hr. Not real bad but it was enough for me to come out of that thing so fast I ran over the guy who was waiting outside. Those MI-8 helos are gigantic, bigger than Chinooks. Also met more zone residents and spent a lot of time in the countryside and Chernobyl town itself. Came upon the local cops partying and swimming down at the river. Lol, it's not like there are many bad guys to chase in Cherno anyway. I spent a great afternoon with them but refused to swim in the Pripyat. Their vodka was good though ;) Spent the rest of the time with a few women I know and partied some in Kiev. All told it was a good mission. Title: Tell me the truth don't sugar coat it Post by: Frank O on June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to "Frank O" seems like a bad guy..., posted by lawcom on Jun 30, 2005
Sorry bud your barking up the wrong tree & obviously don't know how to read. She ARRIVED pregnant you bonehead. I don't see how I can impregnate someone cross continent. I'm not THAT virile. Secondly she was unfaithful HERE in Texas with a so called "friend" of mine who has admitted to that. Secondly she tried to extort/blackmail me out of $8K. Believe I would NOT hesitate to take a DNA test ANYTIME. Perhaps you ought to hook up with my soon to be ex. You could have a load of fun. She likes atty's. Title: Good grief.... Post by: LP on June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Tell me the truth don't sugar coat it, posted by Frank O on Jun 30, 2005
[This message has been edited by LP] ...If she arrived pregnant it still can't be yours? Weren't you over there a time or two during the K3 process? Are you saying you haven't bumped uglies with her in a time frame that would make it a possibility? And pardon a dumb question but why on Earth would you bring an already pregnant girl over if you *didn't* think it was yours? Were you ready to raise another man's child? How can that be if you're now unwilling to support your own if that turns out to be the case? Are these the actions of a "nice guy" who simply got screwed over by a wicked witch of the east? The questions remain: What will you do if it *is* yours? Are you even going to try and find out? And if you don't think it's yours why did you continue with a marriage that occured more than 9 months ago if your wife had been impregnated by another man since? Am I missing something? Or did you not know she was carrying? If so, when exactly did you find out? Title: Re: Good grief.... Post by: Frank O on June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Good grief...., posted by LP on Jun 30, 2005
LP What happened was we NEVER had unprotected sex. Actually we didn't have much in all honesty though when we did it was GREAT. She apparently had a fling RIGHT before coming over here. Hence the dates don't add up. Kind of hard to get someone pregnant with a condom on. She FAKED a menstrual period which she NEVER HAD obviously THEN tried to set me up. As for me YES I made some INCREDIBLY dumb mistakes. The thing is there were NO red flags till September of this past year. So for over 1 year things were very good as far as long distance relationships go. Then in September came the weird stuff. Please for money, hints she was out partying (I"d call & she'd be out a LOT!) etc. When I went in November for our wedding anniversary she was VERY changed a whole other person. The thing is by then we'd been married 1 year. I figured if I brought her to America she would change because she'd be out of "the bad environment" or element. Obviously I was wrong. When my friend (a girl) gave her the pregnancy test (she's a nurse) she told me she is pregnant & this happened PRIOR to her arrival. Obviously had I known this I would NOT have brought her over. Then again according to my stupidity I might have anyways (I hate to admit that but I did do stupid choices). The other huge red flag was in December when she hit me with the "givem $8K or I won't go". So in the end I had to get an atty to protect me & my property. I didn't deceive & I let her know she had to return. Actually she WANTED to return but I think she'd figure she'd shack up with someone here. I gave her $2K which I sent to Ukraine for her & she gladly left. Of course then she no says "I want to return to you in September". I don't think so. So I didn't mean to portray myself as totally innocent. I DID DO MANY mistakes. Most of them because I did the first big one which was get married over there. Being married made me want to "fight" to save it. However she had NO intentions of that. I honestly do NOT know how many men she slept with. Apparently she bragged to my friends about her "conquests". Meanwhile her stupid husband was faithful. you'd figure if SOMEONE would HAVE CHEATED. It WOULD have been the musician right?! Wrong on that one. I can hold my head up high that at least I honored my wedding vows. Title: Re: Re: Good grief.... Post by: Globetrotter on June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Good grief...., posted by Frank O on Jun 30, 2005
You're a good egg, Frank. Just keep the shiny side up, do better next time, choose more age-appropriate chicks, say lots of prayers, hope for the best, (and have a pre-nup) and still....you're looking at just 50/50........and most of all, watch out for those RED FLAGS. Just think of our mad scientist-retired professor with a wife 40 years younger than himself, and what he's about to face or is facing!!! So, things could be worse..... Title: I'ts keeping the shiny side up that's hard Post by: Frank O on June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Good grief...., posted by Globetrotter on Jun 30, 2005
I'm trying man. Now I'm looking at women WITH kids, & definately at least 24 or older. I've got 6 that already wrote ME. 2 are very nice. Both have 3 year old kids 1 is 25 the other 29 so I'm definately not rocking any cradles unless it's their kids. Hey I'm a happy camper man. I'm NOT going to sit around feeling sorry for myself for another 6 month to a year & be "traumatized". Heck tonight for the first time EVER I actually LAUGHED at my situation. The 29 year old had her hubby cheat on her & we were comparing certain similarities & SHE laughed. She had the sweetest laugh that I started to laugh. Hey man that felt GOOD. By the way I do NOT plan on marrying ANYONE ANYTIME soon. I'm trying to learn from this fricking fiasco & ugly mess my wife made. Title: Careful Frank.... Post by: LP on June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to I'ts keeping the shiny side up that's ha..., posted by Frank O on Jun 30, 2005
...It's the fourth period and the clock is running. Frank shoots...no score! But wait, he's going out for the rebound... Title: Re: Careful Frank..OUCH!!! Post by: Frank O on July 01, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Careful Frank...., posted by LP on Jun 30, 2005
Hey at least I'm resilient. I'm making lemonade with my lemons. Title: Well OK, but.... Post by: LP on June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Good grief...., posted by Frank O on Jun 30, 2005
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Your mistakes are indeed impressive in that they bordered on lunacy when you ignored the signs. *Why* you chose to ignore them is still puzzling however. After all, it's not as if we're talking hindsight here. All I can do is hope you're a wiser man but, frankly, I have a feeling the lessons learned will not match the price paid. Sorry, but you just strike me as a guy not in control of his judgment at even the basic level when it comes to women. You need to ask yourself why that is, what is the underlying cause of it. In fact you'll do well to look in the mirror and ask what your real goal in getting into MOB was. I don't see getting married over there as a mistake other than the immigration problems you suffered. I see your mistake as marrying a child, someone not mentally equipped to be a wife, let alone emigrate to a new country. Her decision to "try again" makes that even more clear. Many of the comments she made that you posted were also very telling. Not to mention you failed to listen to objective and experienced observers on the sidelines who had met her and could plainly see it was a bad match. Hell, I could see it through the tiny cable I'm using to write this. So OK, you were 36 and succumbed to the taste of tender vittles. Its something I've also been guilty of but hey, marrying someone 20 is just nuts, even if you yourself are 20. The stories about young FSU girls I hear from the folks I know in the Fed would make your hair stand up. At your age I'd stick with someone 26 or greater, 30 would be even better. You may want to consider one with a kid, they tend to be a more reliable and stable. You do want a family and not a trophy right? If not I'm wasting my breath. I commend your efforts to be a faithful and good husband under difficult conditions. I hope you'll one day find someone who'll reciprocate but until then you need to always put your own best interests first and never, I mean never, allow a decision to do otherwise be guided by what you think is love on your part alone. Love is mostly an illusion Frank. A happy one I'll admit, but an illusion nevertheless, especially if it's unrequited. Remember, even "real" love has nothing to do with your heart. It's all in your head and until you come to understand that you'll always be a ready victim, usually of yourself. Make it unrequited love and you're already circling the drain. Title: Re: Well OK, but.. Post by: Frank O on June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Well OK, but...., posted by LP on Jun 30, 2005
LP well like I said everything WAS fine till September when she "changed" into Mrs. Hyde. Yes, in retrospect like Jack told me "you thought your girl was NOT like all the other 20 years olds, she's DIFFERENT". Yeah right!! That WAS stupid. As for now of course I'm looking at say 24 or older & even with children. Heck, I'll be honest if she would have TOLD ME "Frank I'm sorry but I'm pregnant I f***ed around." MAYBE there would have been a chance if she would have said that. But no she TRIED to pin it on me. It's IMPOSSIBLE for it to be my child. Simple as that. I'll TAKE the DNA test but cmon, if it's not it's not. Now if by some miracle she could get pregnant with MY child having NOT had sex with me, let's hypothetically say that, IF , IF it was my child of course I'd take responsibility. BEFORE all this (before her arriving here) She asked me a question that raised some flags to this situation "Frank if we WERE to have a child & it DIDN'T work out for us & we were to DIVORCE, would you want to KEEP the baby?". I thougth perhaps she would fight me for it in the future. I said "Of course I'd like to it's my child". Her response?! "Good because I'm NOT good with children. I would let you keep the baby. Who knows maybe in 5 years I'd CHANGE MY MIND & we'd get back together & I could be a good mother to our baby & a good wife to you." Now tell me would THAT raise red flags? Now look at our situation? Was it intentional? I guess we could sit here & debate my pathetic situation but what's the point at this time? I DID make my mistakes but I never set out to play with anyone's emotions or screw somebody. I also NEVER went on ANY sex trips "looking" for a wife. She is the ONLY Ukrainian I've ever been with. I know many a men can't say that about their current wives. Title: Re: Re: Well OK, but.. Post by: fathertime on June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Well OK, but.., posted by Frank O on Jun 30, 2005
"She is the ONLY Ukrainian I've ever been with. I know many a men can't say that about their current wives." I do not know that this quote of your is a good thing. On my trip to UK I became intimate with a woman who will not become my wife. It is a part of the process for me and I do not feel bad about this or lesser for it. Is there a reason why being with another Ukrainian girl before your "Wife" is a bad thing? After one trip to Colombia and One trip to UK I have come to the conclusion that most of the UK girls were not sincere and most of the Colombian girls were but it only takes one in either case. I have also come to the conclusion that I was not as sincere as I thought I was although now that I have seen both sides of the world I think I am prepared to move forward with the right gal. I have also changed my standards a bit. Orginally I thought under 24 years old, no kids, and perfect body. Now my standards are under 32, with or without kids, and a nice figure. Of course our personalities have to mesh as well. Title: I forgot to add... Post by: Frank O on June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Well OK, but.., posted by fathertime on Jun 30, 2005
I also have "expanded" my "requirement" for a prospective wife. I have a 29 year old I'm already corresponding with that also has a 3 year old child...she's Colombian & also was the victim of infidelity so we had quite a bit to talk about. Also for the FIRST time I actually laughed about my situation while talking with her on the phone. She laughed & I just couldn't help myslelf. I guess the healing begins... Title: Re: Re: Re: Well OK, but.. Post by: Frank O on June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Well OK, but.., posted by fathertime on Jun 30, 2005
Perhaps you misunderstood what I said. What I MEANT to convey was I do NOT go there for the PURPOSE of getting laid. If it WERE to happen then so be it, like it does with you. But I do NOT go there with the INTENT to do that. Also when it DID happen with my wife, SHE was the one who initiated it. I did NOT go over there to take advantage of a young lady. Of course when offered I did NOT say no, LET ER RIP!! Title: Re: Well OK, but.. Post by: LP on June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Well OK, but.., posted by Frank O on Jun 30, 2005
...fair nuff Frank. It is indeed a sad case and based on what you're saying she is even worse than I pegged her to be. "Not good with kids?" And her own kid to boot? Nice. If it's not your kid than move on, a wiser man. How much wiser remains to be seen but I agree: there is no further need for anyone here to bang on you and I for one won't do it again. You should have sampled more. In the future I would sample many before chosing a few. Then spend at 6 months to a year developing and least 1 month total living with them, preferably more, before making any other move. If you say you can't do this then find a way you can. Anything smells bad, walk away. There are simply too many to choose from and not a one of them is special. You may think so at the time but believe me, no woman on Earth is special. Read that again. Considering what is at stake the sacrifice in time and money to do this is peanuts. Otherwise you're rolling the dice and will have no one to blame but yourself if it blows up again. Title: Re: Re: Good grief.... Post by: Globetrotter on June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Good grief...., posted by Frank O on Jun 30, 2005
Hey Frank, you're OK. You made some terrible mistakes and are paying the emotional price for it, having hopefully been through the worst of the financial part of it. I may even jump back into the game myself. But for me, I'll try age appropriate again...which actually made no difference my first time around. A hottie here or over there...it's still a 50/50 roll of the dice. Plus, I still look at marriage to anyone as the "hope vs. reality syndrome" which means, ya needs lots of luck, if everything else is perfect. Title: I hate to agree but your right. NT Post by: Frank O on June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM Title: Re: "Frank O" seems like a bad guy to me Post by: Robert D on June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to "Frank O" seems like a bad guy..., posted by lawcom on Jun 30, 2005
hummmm why not tell him how you really feel. Was it so necessary to be so hard on the guy? Title: Enough with the tears for Frank Post by: Craigjjs on June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: "Frank O" seems like a bad..., posted by Robert D on Jun 30, 2005
I was originally very sympathetic to Frank and bought his sad story. But, unless there is another "FrankO", check out what he is doing on the Latin forum. Right back to the candy store, ready for Peru, Columbia, Panama .... Frank, did you ever thank that problem might not be 'just' geography? Craig Title: By the way lest you think I'm back at the candy store Post by: Frank O on June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Enough with the tears for Frank, posted by Craigjjs on Jun 30, 2005
The ladies I've been speaking with BOTH have 3 year old children. One is 25 the other 29 so I woudn't exactly call that back to the "candy store". I reckon I DID learn sumthin. Title: Ya gotta get back on the horse man!!! Post by: Frank O on June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Enough with the tears for Frank, posted by Craigjjs on Jun 30, 2005
Seriously I don't need ANYONE's tears man. I've shed enough of my own. I'm also NOT waiting 6 months or another year before I can work up my "courage" to move on. Just had a great conversation with a Colombian from Bogota. You know I'm FLUENT in Spanish. Still NOT sure how I wound up with a Ukrainian. Believe me I PLAN on being a lot more cautious this time around. However with latin women at least we understand each other a LOT better. I have to admit the cultural difference with certain things in Ukraine WERE EXTREMELY difficult to overcome. As a matter of fact that was one thing me & the lady were talking about tonight. Do I plan on marrying any time soon? NO. Title: Re: Ya gotta get back on the horse man!!! Post by: Craigjjs on July 01, 2005, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Ya gotta get back on the horse man!!!, posted by Frank O on Jun 30, 2005
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