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I have just joined the forum so I am kind of new at this.  One of the things I realize though is the fact that even though this is an East Eauropean or FSU board, most posts concentrate on Ukrainian women.  Is there a reason for this?  Are Ukrainian women on average kinder, more beautiful, and receptive than women in Russia, Belarus, and other FSU republics? Are they perhaps more "domestic" and family oriented? Are the people in general more friendly?

The reality is that there is very little difference between
Russian and Ukrainian women (or Russia and Ukraine for that matter). Study history and the reasons will be apparent. Make a trip to both countries and you will see what I mean.

Good luck.

The new president is married with a american woman who have contact with the white house...

His two children are american citizen...

And the president of America have send 68 million $ for help these new president of Ukraine to win the election...

Relation between American and Ukrainian will become more easy...

Sigh, you Americans and geographical knowledge.

Haroshij

I suppose that you can call Germany and France countries, even though they're pretty tiny.  If you're feeling imaginative, I guess you could call Italy a country, even though it is pretty small.

However, you guys take it a step further.  Can you really call Denmark a country?  Come on, get real.  My parents' backyard is bigger than Denmark and they don't even try to call it a city.

Some of them, though, are completely over the top.  You call SWITZERLAND a country???  You have to be kidding!  When I've been very sick, I've sneezed up pieces of snot bigger than Switzerland!

Haroshij

The ten planks of Karl Marx----what else?

The whole process went just as easy as putting a frog into a pot of cool water on the stove and very gradually heating the water to the boiling point. The frog will never recognize what has happened until it is too late.

That the total of citizen of the "little country" is more that these off all America...

That our economy grow slowly but is stable... when the money euro have start, one euro was one $ ... now, the euro is 33% more high of the $...

Do you know that a lot of other little country wish to be member of Europa...

Do you know that some state of America wish to separate... from USA...

Yes, Europa is make from little nation but all these little nation together are more strong that America... of course, i don't speak about army... yes, america is very good for take all in the world by the power of weapon...

A good garden is not a big garden with nothing... a good garden is a garden with a lot of flower inside...

I have nothing against American but all the rest of the world know that American are 0 in geographic knowledge... but i agree that America have some quality... i like the big empty place between city... so calm and a lot of nature.

And maybe, one day, we go live in a big country named UW ( united world )... maybe only a dream...

Bruno

Sounds like you have listened to John Lennon"s song "Imagine" one time too many, with all it's socialist overtones.

It is the future of our world to be one...

Really???   We have implimented all ten planks of the communist manifesto, either totally or in part. Heck, even the "Pledge of Allegance" to the American Flag was written by a known socialist. Ladies from the former USSR should feel right at home here. Freedom in the US is an illusion talked about but not practiced.

USA is not social... the state don't take care a lot about the right to free education ( your university are almost the best but they are very expensive )... and about pension, minimum income when you loose your job, and about hospital insurance...

In Europa, we pay a lot of tax... myself, i give 14.5% of my income for social security, 35% of the income for tax of state, 21% tax on each product buy...

The state with all these money help citizen... for pension, for almost free medical help, for free education, for a minimum income when loose job... same somebody who have never work have a minimum income !!!

All this exist in America but it is a very minimum of you need to pay private insurance enough expensive... only for people with very good income...

The first time i have visit USA, i was surprise by the very low level of life from some people... in America, you have succes and you have all... of you have no chance and you are nothing... middle class people are almost not existing.

And about freedom in FSU, it is almost the same that in our country... the ex-KGB is not so much actieve that before :-))) ... Full freedom cannot exist because it is always some people who go profit of the freedom... Law block our freedom but they are needed...

You are way off base. I never said that socialism is about freedom. Socialism is about control. In this nation which was started based on "Christian" principals --- people were free and the government was under their control. Now in this nation the lives of the people are under the control of the government and no one citizen owns anything --- not their house, not their car, not their churches, not their children, not even their own bodies.

Why should there be a need for the "state" to help people --- other than some sort of disaster relief? Biblically speaking, a person who will not work should not eat. Socialism is a doctrine of : Make us your slaves, but feed us.

The very first colonies here were socialist --- they nearly starve to death --- many did. When the land in the colonies was divided and the people were made to be responsible for themselves there was plenty. As long as there is a free ride there will be those who choose to do nothing and let those who work for their living support them --- willingly or not. Socialist programs have made fools of people well able to work and support themselves, I see it all the time. And yes it is very much like the United Soviet Socialist Republic.

Below, i join the definition from Socialism, communism and capitalism... and i don't "lie", it is from wordenbook...

And control have nothing to make with these 3 method of society...

Why help of state is needed... for give the same right to everybody... you have maybe a lot of chance in your life but think to the other...

Imagine that you are a young man from a family with low income... no school because it is expensive, bad job because you have not a high qualification, bad pension because you was not pay a lot, ...

Socialism don't say that you don't need work... in our country, you receive a minimum income if you have no work but if you loose you work because you have make some error, nothing... and if you refuse a new work, nothing... you need to work but if something bad happen and that you are not responsible, the state help you. I call this solidarity...

Socialism :
The word dates back at least to the early nineteenth century. It was first used, self-referentially, in the English language in 1827 to refer to followers of Robert Owen. In France, again self-referentially, it was used in 1832 to refer to followers of the doctrines of Saint-Simon and thereafter by Pierre Leroux and J. Regnaud in l'Encyclopédie nouvelle. Use of the word spread widely and has been used differently in different times and places, both by various individuals and groups that consider themselves socialist and by their opponents. While there is wide variation between socialist groups, nearly all would agree that they are bound together by a common history rooted originally in nineteenth and twentieth-century struggles by industrial and agricultural workers, operating according to principles of solidarity and advocating an egalitarian society, with an economics that would, in their view, serve the broad populace rather than a favored few.

Communism:
Communism is a term that can refer to one of several things: a certain social system, an ideology which supports that system, or a political movement that wishes to implement that system.
As a social system, communism would be a type of egalitarian society with no state, no private property and no social classes. In communism, all property is owned by the community as a whole, and all people enjoy equal social and economic status. Perhaps the best known principle of a communist society is "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."

Capitalism :
competing theories that developed in the 19th century, in the context of the industrial revolution, and 20th century, in the context of the Cold War, meant to justify the private ownership of capital, to explain the operation of such markets, and to guide the application or elimination of government regulation of property and markets.

Read this book; Civil Disobedience by Henry David Thoreau

You might start to understand.

Hey, I'm not always a fan of the ACLU but you might get a laugh out of this one: http://www.aclu.org/pizza/

Not so this one: http://www.aclu.org/Privacy/Privacy.cfm?ID=16021&c=39

Good references, but the first one has a lot of validity after the legislation passed on Dec. 9th regarding licenses and Homeland "In"-Security.

But something like this can only happend with windows from Microsoft... A capitalist system... Try Linux, a socialist system ( open system, free and for/from everybody )...

Gouverment limit the privacy because some security reasons... and i can understandt it... law, have same effect... it is need until some people have no respect of the liberty of other...

And about privacy and business, it is only for make more money with low expense...

People need to learn that our own liberty end where begin these of other.

Because of this, i think that Lynn have the right to express what he think same if i don't agree with him... and i am ready to read what he think and write to them without problem... but maybe via own e-mail... i am not sure that so dialogue can be interesting for the forum... it's all enough say about these thema... but if he wish more, he can write me without problem...

Bruno, you need to understand Lynn isn't your typical American. He's enlightened in many ways (sometimes a little too enlightened) and most Americans couldn't keep up with him even if they wanted to. For a foreigner to try is futile. You'd need to have information, knowledge, and a perspective most Americans don't possess. As such there is simply no point in he and you debating these kinds of issues because it'd be near impossible to reach an agreement. Not to mention it's off topic for the board.

Nor can a foreigner understand the concept of American liberty as it applies to privacy. Americans will not readily accept (at least they didn't at one time) a reduction in liberty or privacy in the name of security. It's abhorrent to every thing America stands for, or at least used to stand for.
In fact there are many things the governments of other other countries commonly do that are readily accepted by the people but would never be accepted by Americans. It's what sets America apart. It's also what makes it so screwed up at times ;)

Don't forget, i am not American, i am European and several european believe in a lot of think that you go find crazy but that lynn go agree certainly... i don't believe all this but i have some knowlegde about this... and my first russian wife have learn me a little more :-)))

But i agree, it is not for these forum... and it is why i have advice if he wish continue to use my e-mail...

Your symbol of the liberty in New York come from France, these who have make the first revolution in Europa... but we have begin loose our liberty during the second world war... when Germany have invent national passport...

And i agree to loose some liberty for security... but with some limit... strong control at international airport and at the border of country are good ... but not inside my own home, inside my computer...

And about the protection of privacy, we have some law in Belgium... who protect us but only in theory !!!

And one day Bruno we Texans might just do that. But not while George is sitting in the big house :)

I have nothing against USA, and i have stay around 6 month in Galverston, near Houston, a wonderfull place...

Only, i have enough of some people who say that America is big and the rest of world is nothing...

And when people say that woman from ex-USSR try to marry american for nationality... it is more crazy...

Almost all citizen from America are from immigration from Europa or slave from Africa... only indian are real American...

What make a great nation is not the size of the garden but the quality of her act...

What have make the USA during the second world war is great act... but same this don't allow American to treat other country like nothing.

....Good Lord Bruno, I pray you had a chance to see more of America than Texas! It's not exactly representative of America's finest you know, just look who is in the White House. (And you need to remember 49% of Americans feel that way).

Come on JB, you know only two things come outta Texas ;) (lol, I liked the Roswell comment though).

hummm, only two things huh?  Ok, those would be Bar-B-Que and Russian marriage agancies, right?

LP, the 9th annual Texas men's appreaciation for Russian women Bar-B-Que and May Day celebration will be on April 30th. You marking it down on your calander?

...just like the "majority" "won" in Ukraine eh? ;)

How messed up does a cowboy state have to be to have an appreciation day for Russian women? Think about it. Especially when in my experience home grown Texan women are some of the most beautiful in the US. And I dunno about marriage agencies but TX BBQ *is* good, I'll give you that. There are also a few attributes about the men (I know many) that I admire. Their no BS attitude and politeness around women for example. However everything else about Texas is, in their own words, all hat and no cattle.

I normally stay out of political discussions but anyone who has bothered to read the 9-11 Commission's report is a bit more informed that the masses who didn't. You have read it haven't you? You know, the commission Bush and company did everything they could to prevent from being formed and later tried to undermine it's investigation into why 9/11 was allowed to happen in the first place? The commission that never would have been formed if it wasn't for pressure from the victim's familes? Why is it I get the feeling you, like many, simply couldn't be bothered to learn the truth?

Anyone who has read it knows just how outrageous Dubya's running on an anti-terrorism platform really was. He and the top level people in his administration should have been jailed for gross negligence shortly after the dust settled at the WTC. That 51% has doomed us all. I only hope when the time comes to pay (and it surely will) the 51% will have more backbone than their candidate and admit their mistake. Those of them that survive at least. Until then I leave you with these thoughts. They're not all my words but they reflect the other 49%, the ones being ignored by Bush as he  shamefully and with typical arrogance continues to claim the election results validate his actions:

God Bless America...We’re gonna need it.

They say that in life you get what you deserve. Well, America has deservedly gotten a lawless cowboy to lead it further into carnage and isolation and the unreserved contempt of most of the world. This once-great country has pulled up its drawbridge for another four years and stuck a finger up to the billions of those forced to share the same planet. And in doing so, it has shown itself to be a fearful, backward-looking and small nation. This should have been the day when Americans finally answered their critics by raising their eyes from their own sidewalks and looking outward towards the rest of humanity. But then the horrible, inevitable truth hit home. They had somehow managed to re-elect the most devious, incompetent and reckless leader ever put before them. The Yellow Rogue of Texas.

A self-serving, dim-witted, draft-dodging, gung-ho little rich boy, whose idea of courage is to yell: "I feel good," as he unleashes a fury which slaughters 100,000 innocents for no other reason than greed and vanity. A dangerous chameleon, his charming exterior provides cover for a power-crazed clique of Doctor Strangeloves whose goal is to increase America's grip on the world's economies and natural resources. And in foolishly backing him those 51% have given the go-ahead for more unilateral pre-emptive strikes, more world instability, and most certainly another 9/11. To them I simply ask: Have you learned nothing? Do you despise your own image that much? Do you care so little about the world beyond your shores? How could you do this to yourselves? How appalling must one man's record at home and abroad be for you to reject him?

Kerry wasn't the best presidential candidate the Democrats have ever fielded but at least he understood the complexity of the world outside America, and domestic disgraces like the 45 million of his fellow citizens without health cover. He would have done something to make the country fairer and re-connected it with the wider world. Instead America chose a man without morals or vision. An economic incompetent who inherited a $2 billion surplus, gave it in tax cuts to the rich and turned the US into the world's largest debtor nation. A man who sneers at the rights of other nations. Who has withdrawn from international treaties on the environment and chemical weapons. A man who flattens states then hands the rebuilding contracts to his own billionaire party backers.

America has chosen a menacingly immature buffoon who likened the pursuit of the 9/11 terrorists to a Wild West, Wanted Dead or Alive manhunt and, during the Afghanistan war, kept a baseball scorecard in his drawer, notching up hits when news came through of enemy deaths. A radical Christian fanatic who decided the world was made up of the forces of good and evil, who invented a war on terror, and thus as author of it, believed he had the right to set the rules of engagement. Which translates into telling his troops to do what the hell they want to the bad guys as he has at Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and countless towns across Iraq.

One has to feel sorry for the millions in the big cities like New York, Washington, Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles and San Francisco who voted to kick him out. These are the sophisticated side of the electorate who recognise a babbon when they see one. As for the ones who put him in, across the Bible Belt and the South, we can only feel pity. Any rational person would feel deep anger, not only at them returning Bush to power but for allowing the outside world to lump us all into the same category of moronic muppets.

The self-righteous, gun-totin', military lovin', sister marryin', abortion-hatin', gay-loathin', foreigner-despisin', non-passport ownin' red-necks, who believe God gave America the biggest dick in the world so it could urinate on the rest of us and make their land "free and strong". These are the people who hijack the word patriot and liken compassion to child-molesting. They are unknowingly bin Laden's chief recruiting officers.

Al-Qaeda's existence is fuelled by the outpourings of America's Christian right. Bush is its commander-in-chief. He and bin Laden need each other to survive. Both need to play Lex Luther to each others' Superman with their own fanatical people. Maybe that's why the mightiest military machine ever assembled has failed to catch the world's most wanted man. Or is the reason simply that America is incompetent? That behind the bluff they are frightened and clueless, which is why they've stayed with the devil they know.

The lines for hours to register a vote; the 17,000 lawyers needed to ensure there was no cheating; the $1.2 billion wasted by parties trying to discredit the enemy; the allegations of fraud, intimidation and dirty tricks; the exit polls which were so wildly inaccurate; an Electoral College voting system that makes the Eurovision Song Contest look like a beacon of democracy and efficiency; and the delays and the legal wrangles in announcing the victor.

Yet America would have us believe theirs is the finest democracy in the world. Well, that fine democracy has got the man it deserved. But is America safer today? The questions facing America are how many more thousands of their sons will die as Iraq descends into a new Vietnam. And how many more Vietnams are on the horizon now they have given Bush the mandate to go after Iran, Syria, North Korea or Cuba. And I wonder how Bush's "good friend" Putin feels about his so called mandate to spread "liberty" throught the world?

Today is a sad day for us all, but it's even sadder for the millions of intelligent Americans embarrassed by a gung-ho leader and backed by a banal electorate, half of whom still believe Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11. We had the chance to show the world a better way, instead we made a thuggish cowboy ride off into the sunset bathed in glory. God Help us.

So what is one to say about today?  To the horror of its well-wishers across the world the United States, once the “last, best hope of mankind”, is re-inaugurating the worst president in its history; one who has exploited an attack, the success of which its own incompetence helped enable, in order to execute an extremist agenda that is killing thousands, costing trillions and leaving all of us far more insecure than when it began.  Before November 2, we could argue it was all a mistake; the guy ran as a “compassionate conservative,” misrepresented his record, and we actually voted for Gore anyway.  It took the Republicans on the Supreme Court (two of whom were appointed by the guy’s dad) to stick the country with this regime filled with ideological fanatics and corrupt incompetents. But that was all before Nov 2.

Now, what are we to say?  Fifty-nine million members of our nation do not mind that we were deliberately misled into a war that has drained our blood and treasure to create nothing but hatred and chaos; and that the very people who were at fault have been rewarded and promoted, encouraged to look for new targets to spread their hubristic malevolence.  It defies all logic and truthfully, my ability to explain or even fully understand it.  One thing is for certain: based on an virtually unanimous unwillingness to consider its past mistakes and learn from them, things are going to get far, far worse before they get better. Thousands more will die. Trillions more will be squandered.  Millions more will grow to hate and revile the name of the United States of America and prepare to attack us in ways for which our government is resolutely unwilling to prepare, all the while  continuing to ignore it's own intelligence agencies who're clearly stating the probable outcome.

Not that intelligence is deemed always correct. There are those who believe, amazingly, that we invoked this war based on faulty intelligence. These are the same people who haven't bothered to learn the widely available information that Bush and his cronies had their eye on Iraq well before 9-11. In fact, well before he was elected to his first term. Nor do they even know it is written into US National Security Policy that the US MUST go to war to in the name of oil resources in the Middle East. These are minor details I suppose to those who voted this thug back into office.

Avoidable catastrophe awaits this nation and its victims during the next four years as we will undoubtedly reap what we have sown. Four years from now we will be assessing the fallout from this election undoubtedly in dead Americans and additional hatred from a new breed of terrorists now being bred the world over. So indeed God Bless America, we're going to need all the help we can get.

Funny, I was going to also mention something about the "majority" won in Ukraine as well but thought I would let that rest as we now know the first results were not correct with the so-called "majority" and that Yu did receive more votes than YA.

LP, looks like the crooks from Moscow and the mafia from Donestk lost, and my did they lose a lot, as they tried to steal the election with a so called "majority". Ha!

The real "majority" of Ukr people, just like the the majority of American people, got their wish.

Too bad that the 600 million that Czar Putin sent to the crooks in eastern Ukraine, as well the millions that the crooks themselves invested in trying to rig the election, could not have been spent on more pressing needs that the country needs for it's people and interstructure.

....about Putin that is. The guy is bad news and getting worse. Not so on everything else though. The election in UA was a double farce in every respect. The poisoning thing alone was (and still is) right up there with Saddam and 9-11. Anyone who really believes YU was posioned by dioxon is as clueless as your 51%.

Btw, you know I'm just yanking yer chain about Texans. I have no axe to grind with them and most are good folks. I'd be one to talk anyway since I live in the Land of Fruits and Nuts, it's getting so bad here I can hardly wait to escape. The weather sure is nice though...

Only, i have enough of some people who say that America is big and the rest of world is nothing...daaaaa

And when people say that woman from ex-USSR try to marry american for nationality... it is more crazy...daaa, you are right.

Almost all citizen from America are from immigration from Europa or slave from Africa... only indian are real American...daaaa, except those who landed at Roswell in 46.

What make a great nation is not the size of the garden but the quality of her act...daaaa

What have make the USA during the second world war is great act... but same this don't allow American to treat other country like nothing....daaaa, right again Bruno.

Haroshij

Haroshij

Your excuse is not accepted.

When your an American and you have states the size of a country, you just kind of somehow feel those countries are small.

You're right. However every country is small compared to Russia, even the US if you compare territories. In my eyes it looks strange to name Ukraine a relativly small country.

You could compare countries with different perspectives and then the results would be different. For instance, all countries appear small if you compare inhabitants with China.

Haroshij

Next, I said Russia and meant it. I'm aware of the differences between the USSR and Russia. Still Russia stretches itself out from the Atlantic ocean through two continents to the Pacific Ocean.

Try others like Belarus, you probably get none.