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Does anyone know what states offer Russian language drivers license facility booklets?  How do you say "Panora's box" po-rooskie?

... in response to Russian language rules of the road??, posted by slimjimco on Nov 16, 2003

They let you take the test in Russian.  Unlike Dan, I didn't need to help my wife take the test.  Now the driving part, that's a different story......  We laugh about it now.

... in response to Russian language rules of the road??, posted by slimjimco on Nov 16, 2003

I have a guide book/pamplet in Russian if you need one. I can scan and email it.

... in response to Re: Russian language rules of the road??, posted by Travis on Nov 17, 2003

I have found several, but they are 100 pages, too much for my printer.   I think we will go into the city to attempt to find a book or a pamphlet in a store.  She brought some books back from Kazan several weeks ago, but they are not what she needs; her needs should be appropriate, simple and to the point.  Thanx anyway, Jim.

... in response to Russian language rules of the road??, posted by slimjimco on Nov 16, 2003

Is one that I know about. In fact, you can download a copy of it.

Perhaps other states as well - but WA is the one I used.

I have a copy (in PDF format) I can send you if you cannot find it on-line. Just drop me an e-mail.

- Dan

... in response to Washington State . . ., posted by Dan on Nov 16, 2003

are written (in Texas anyway), to confuse even those that are litterate in English. And in Texas, they offer the test in Mexican,of course, but not in Russian. I raised hell about that. My fiancee would never have passed that damn test. But this is what I did!
After she had studied for weeks, she still flunked badly. Being proactive, I set next to her the next time she took the written(I was taking a commercial truck driving test). We chose the computerized version. I got up after 15 minutes went to drink from the water fountain, and she had moved into my seat. I sat in her seat and did her written for her. She passed the written and then passed the driving part on her own( of course having a man test a pretty woman helps).  

... in response to "Road rules", differ from stat..., posted by jrm on Nov 17, 2003

I took my initial driving preparation and exam in Arizona. Since then have taken and passed exams in - oh, I am not sure - but more than 10 states (including Texas), and found the fundamentals to be largely the same in all states.

That also held true in Colorado. My wife studied the WA guidebook, and then took the exam in CO. Here in CO they do *not* administer the exam in Russian, but they *do* allow the test-taker to have a translator. In this case - me --smile--.

Anyway, my point is to say that the WA guidebook in Russian is probably a whole lot better that an English guidebook for your home state if your wife still struggles with English.

Just my point of view. FWIW

- Dan

... in response to Yes, But Not Substantially So . . ., posted by Dan on Nov 17, 2003

I never considered "a translator", nor was I told by the state that it was an option.
She had the WA testbooklet also, and it didn't help much.

... in response to It is difficult for a native speaker to ..., posted by jrm on Nov 17, 2003

I was allowed to essentially take the test with my wife. The state employee told us that I could NOT tell her the answers - though I was free to translate the questions and the multiple choice options. So we stood there a few feet away from the administrator (who obviously didn't know a word of Russian), and I told my wife the questions and options (as best I could) and then gave her the answer if she looked at me quizzically.

She scored more than 90 %.

- Dan

... in response to Yeah - It Was Kind Of Funny . . ., posted by Dan on Nov 17, 2003

we(she) scored 90% also. Damn, we're all smart!!!!!

... in response to Russian language rules of the road??, posted by slimjimco on Nov 16, 2003

Just a suggestion, but you might check with those states that seem to have a large Russian population.
New York, Florida, and Illinois come to mind.
The D.O.T. of those states may say what languages the tests and/or booklets are offered in.

... in response to Russian language rules of the road??, posted by slimjimco on Nov 16, 2003

I would venture a guess: California. The right wing talk show guys claim they give away the farm in every language from Spanish to Swahili-and the nice part is, they don't even ask how you got here.

... in response to Re: Russian language rules of the road??, posted by Michael B on Nov 16, 2003

Let's not get carried away listening to the right wing talk show guys--being able to take the written portion of the driver's exam in your native language is not so unusual.  You can take it is Russian or Hmong in Maryland as well.

... in response to Re: Russian language rules of the road??, posted by Michael B on Nov 16, 2003

...you can test in Ca's DMV in most languages.

I mean come on, you're talking about a state where by law voting ballots have to be available in over 100 languages and where many city hall and DMV employees don't even speak English. And a state where the law now says you have the right to have a driver's license even if you're an illegal immigrant.

'Merica....what a country.

... in response to You'd be right...., posted by LP on Nov 16, 2003

I'm happy that immigrants can get a drivers license
and go to work based on their existing skills.
You would have them on the dole until they meet
some language purity test?  Get real.

... in response to it takes years to learn a language, posted by vagn on Nov 17, 2003

....Piss off pal. I said *illegal* immigrants. If you (or anyone else) entered this country illegally you shouldn't be coddled based on political special interests.

You should be arrested and deported. In fact, thousands are every week at the Rio Grand and major airports. But the ones who slip past the BP are OK? Thats serious BS. It's simply a of question of enforcing the law...period.

Most illegals in CA work whether they have a CDL or not. Of course, they don't have to because CA passed another law that says illegals must have access to the state's social benefits. When that law was repealed on outrage it was tied up in court while it remains in effect today. In fact, Californians have a long history of using the courts to defeat the voice of the majority. It makes democracy look like the joke it really is in the PRK.

Fortunately most illegals go to work right away because they're still afraid of the men in the green trucks and thats how it should be.

Such massive ignorance from a New Yorker is to be expected.

... in response to The real deal..., posted by LP on Nov 17, 2003

strip out the abuse and your argument reduces to
pretty much nothing. Illegals scam the system.
Wow, big surprise.

I was talking about people that are here legally.
It was not clear to me that you were only talking
about illegals.  Thanks for the clarifcation.

Here's a choice quote:

==== Immigrants account for 11.5 percent of the total population, the highest
==== percentage in 70 years. If current trends continue, the immigrant share
==== of the total population will surpass the all time high of 14.8 percent,
==== reached in 1890, by the end of this decade.

It wasn't the end of the world in 1890, either.

Here's another:

==== Immigration has become the determinate factor in U.S. population
==== growth. The arrival of over 3 million legal and illegal immigrants,
==== coupled with 1.5 million births to immigrant women over the last two
==== years, accounts for nearly 90 percent of U.S. population growth since
==== the 2000 census.

What they fail to mention, is that those 1.5 million born here
are US citizens.  What are they getting at? Some wacko notion
of ideological or racial purity?

How about this:

==== In 2002, 39.2 percent of immigrants 18 and older are citizens and they
==== comprise 6 percent of all eligible voters.

==== Immigrants and natives exhibit remarkably similar rates of
==== entrepreneurship, with about 1 in 10 of both groups being self-employed.

Hell, who do they think they are, white folk?

==== The low educational attainment and resulting low wages of many
==== immigrants is the primary reason so many live in poverty, use welfare,
==== or lack health insurance, not their legal status or an unwillingness
==== to work.

Draw your own conclusions.  My view is that, given that they are here,
we should treat them as normal human beings.  In particular, we should
see to it that their kids are properly educated.  That's a win-win.
If they stay, they have a chance to make a decent living, pay taxes,
etc.  If they go home, they can improve things there and reduce the
pressures driving people to migrate to america.

If you want to put the screws to someone, pick the ones that exploit
cheap migrant labor.  Oh, wait... that would be you, assuming you
go to city restaurants or eat lettuce, avocados, peppers, almonds
and other stuff grown in the the south-west.

... in response to The real deal..., posted by LP on Nov 17, 2003

LP I agree with you on that one and I am from NY.

... in response to Not NY ignorance, maybe arrogance, posted by Bobby Orr on Nov 17, 2003

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...No one can "do" arrogance like New Yorkers. Guys like him need to come and live in CA before they offer such opinions.

Let them see how entire city blocks and shopping malls have been transformed into foregin countries. Street signs, business, markets, all catering to people who should have learned to assimilate. And Heaven help you if you go into one of these places and don't speak the lingo, you'll get ignored like a bad smell.

I'm all for immigration, it's what made this country great. But the Ellis Island crowd was proud to become Americans, they gladly assimilated into society and kept their culture privatley at home where it belongs.

This new bunch isn't interested in that, they want to create a little piece of their homeland right here. Many could care less about American culture and are here only to use the system. If your fellow New Yorker lived here he would get the chance to hear many of these folks readily admit to it. I've had dozens admit to me they'll go back home as soon as they make a few bux. Good, I hope I get to take them there.

If you immigrate to a country you should learn it's language first and foremost and use it in public. It's rude to speak another language in the presence of one who doesn't understand it, especially if the person doing it is fluent in both English and the spoken lanquage. I get this all the time in public. My usual response is to address then in Russian and when they look perplexed ask them how it feels.

We won't even get into how easy it is for illegals to work in CA. Did you know many women come across our southern border to have their babies in CA hosptials and then return home? Why is that allowed and who do you think pays for it?

Your fellow New Yorker is right, it takes a long time to learn a langauge. That reminds me of a women from Brighton Beach who was my seat mate on a plane to Kiev. She spoke hardly a word of English, if it weren't for my Russian it would have been a long and silent flight. When I asked how was it she had managed to get a visa to visit NY she replied (in Russian) she had lived there for 12 years.
I was flabbergasted...

And I'll be darn if I should pay to have everything from voting ballots to public announcments printed in 100 languages. And have you ever noticed if you call most companies in CA you have to choose English as an *option* on the phone system? The default is in something else.  Whats up with that??

Don't get me started...

... in response to Ok, I'll buy that...., posted by LP on Nov 17, 2003

......... Hey stop the whinging LP!!  LOL

Its happening the world over. Fair dinkum. Doesnt that tell Ya something Bro? It should. I think its time to get Ya little *Citn* down here for a break and have a talk with the lads.

(And if possible bring a dozen or so girls from Poland or FSU with Ya.)

Its happening worlwide. I am not a city slick, but when I go to town I cant believe my ears! But its FACT. Too late if you want something else. :-(

Hey, the world AINT what it was 20 YEARS ago. Imagine another 20 years from NOW?

If you can, please advise me ASAP.

Best wishes
John

... in response to Your Not on Your OWN Remember !, posted by JohnL on Nov 18, 2003

...it ain't at all fair dinkum. And it's only prevelant in certain parts of the States. I moved to Oregon for awhile and was astounded at the difference in the quality of the people and life. It's really only bad in CA and a few other parts of the country.

I say again: I have no problem with immigration, my country's greatness was built upon it. Your's too. (Lol, at least we aren't a society based on criminals...well, other than our leaders. ;)

All I ask is a little more assimilation, at least make an effort to speak the language. A little gratitude expressed for the oppurtunity to be here would be nice too. You have to understand that in the States political correctness has run amok. And it gets worse as these people move into local and state government. It's feminisim all over again but with a bizzare twist.

I'd love a trip Down Under, I promise to make one when I can. It's only a matter of finding the time, the travel would cost peanuts. Sorry, no girls though...I've got enough crosses to bear as it is. Well, maybe one of your locals...a pal of mine is married to one of your women and that accent makes my diapers damp.

Be patient...put another Koala on the barbie and I'll get to you eventually. I'd like to spend some time with the lads and also do a little outback aviating.

... in response to Ok, I'll buy that...., posted by LP on Nov 17, 2003

=== ...No one can "do" arrogance like New Yorkers. Guys like him need to
=== come and live in CA before they offer such opinions.

Been there, done that.  Five years in and around Santa Clara.

=== Let them see how entire city blocks and shopping malls have been
=== transformed into foregin countries. Street signs, business, markets,
=== all catering to people who should have learned to assimilate. And Heaven
=== help you if you go into one of these places and don't speak the lingo,
=== you'll get ignored like a bad smell.

This is too funny.  Yo!  I live in NEW YORK CITY.  This place is full
of foreigners. Mexicans, spaniards, real africans speaking swahili
and stuff, indians speaking hindi and whatever else, middle easterners,
and russians and ukes and and and and we have a CHINATOWN, a big one,
maybe you heard of it.

=== I'm all for immigration, it's what made this country great. But the Ellis
=== Island crowd was proud to become Americans, they gladly assimilated into
=== society and kept their culture privatley at home where it belongs.

Maybe it's that attitude that gets you ignored like a bad smell.

=== This new bunch isn't interested in that, they want to create a little
=== piece of their homeland right here. Many could care less about American
=== culture and are here only to use the system. If your fellow New Yorker
=== lived here he would get the chance to hear many of these folks readily
=== admit to it. I've had dozens admit to me they'll go back home as soon
=== as they make a few bux. Good, I hope I get to take them there.

I got news for you, sparky.  The italians came here, formed italian
neighborhoods, and spoke italian.  Same with the norwegians, chinese,
irish, germans, poles, and jews.  The kids are bilingual.  Many of the
older folks never gain fluency in english.  And it's not for lack
of wanting to.  As to going home... everyone dreams of going home.
Most of them are "stuck" here -- doing it for the kids or some other
reasonable cause -- like eating or not getting shot at.

=== If you immigrate to a country you should learn it's language first and
=== foremost and use it in public. It's rude to speak another language in
=== the presence of one who doesn't understand it, especially if the person
=== doing it is fluent in both English and the spoken lanquage. I get this
=== all the time in public. My usual response is to address then in Russian
=== and when they look perplexed ask them how it feels.

Maybe they're searching for words to describe the grace
and beauty of your spirit.

=== We won't even get into how easy it is for illegals to work in CA. Did you
=== know many women come across our southern border to have their babies in
=== CA hosptials and then return home? Why is that allowed and who do you
=== think pays for it?

=== Your fellow New Yorker is right, it takes a long time to learn a
=== langauge. That reminds me of a women from Brighton Beach who was my
=== seat mate on a plane to Kiev. She spoke hardly a word of English, if it
=== weren't for my Russian it would have been a long and silent flight. When
=== I asked how was it she had managed to get a visa to visit NY she replied
=== (in Russian) she had lived there for 12 years.  I was flabbergasted...

=== And I'll be darn if I should pay to have everything from voting ballots to
=== public announcments printed in 100 languages. And have you ever noticed if
=== you call most companies in CA you have to choose English as an *option* on
=== the phone system? The default is in something else. Whats up with that??

=== Don't get me started...

Yeah, your argument boils down to "why should I have to pay for it."
The answer is: No one else has that kind of money.

You've only got one vote.  Too bad the benjamins don't get a vote each.
The thing is: The benjamins seem to be causing you some pain, and that's
twisted.

... in response to Re: Ok, I'll buy that...., posted by vagn on Nov 17, 2003

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lol, ok you win.

I think we understand each other so I'll bow out. That you'd trade the Bay Area for a place like NYC says it all. Santa Clara? Thats the worst place of all, no wonder you're tolerant of it. What a foul place that Silicon Valley/San Jose area has become. If it's been more than 5 years since you left you wouldn't recognize it. I'm on the other side of the Gate but even Santa Clara beats NYC.

Hows the weather there? You get to freeze your azz off *and* deal with the folks we're speaking about. They aren't like that here you know, different class of immigrant altogether. And they don't have to stay here, far from it. As said, all I know can't wait to leave. Bye bye is my response, I'll drive 'em to the airport. Hell, I'll even fly 'em home.

Btw, what works in the big city doesn't translate too well to Santa Clara or any suburb. And I point out the percentage of illegals in CA far exceeds NYC or anywhere else. Someone has to deal with that statistic snd that someone isn't you.

"It was not clear to me that you were only talking about illegals."

Then you should read more carefully, it was clearly stated.

Tell you what: You stay in your bleeding heart, liberal, Hillary infested  stronghold and I'll stay here and do all I can to run the illegals *and* their "poor, starving, we need to feed 'em and care for 'em" kids out.

After all "Sport", they shouldn't be here in the first place...it's the law.

... in response to Sparky?..., posted by LP on Nov 17, 2003

I hate to get back on my soapbox, but America will look more like a blend of Africa / Latin America in 75 years.  Canada is falling the way of America, but there is alot more open space.  The last stronghold may be Russia.  That is why I urge all of you to hedge your bets by giving your children the option of relocating to Russia.  Right now the economy / system of Russia may be horrible, but a 75 year projection says it will be better for your future than here.
NYC is just a horrible mess.  It is not the United States.  Come here and see your future..........chances are you will run!!

... in response to Thats why the future is back in Europe /..., posted by Bobby Orr on Nov 18, 2003

CHANGE INTO A CAN OF WORMS???

... in response to You'd be right...., posted by LP on Nov 16, 2003

But you can take the written drivers test in lots of languages including Russian and Hmong:

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/dl/dl_info.htm#2500

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