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Title: Question about Kherson and Kharkov- Post by: Buddabelly on October 31, 2003, 05:00:00 AM Hi, I'm new here (have been lurking for quite a while) and have a few questions for those who have been to Ukraine a few times.
I have talked to a lot of men about going over to Ukraine but I don't want to go to the Capital Kiev or Odessa. It seems that most men who go to Ukraine go to these two cities from what I can tell. I have heard (whether true or not, I don't know) that Kiev is getting like Moscow and many of the women are becoming very spoiled by foreign guys. I am wanting to go to a less well travelled ciy. I was thinking about Kherson but then I talked to a guy in my city who had been there and he said it was just a total dump, that the place and all the agencies were completely run by the mafia, the apartments he had stayed in often didn't have power or heat and hot water. He said he would never go back there and couldn't recommend it at all. Kind of discouraging. He said he had never been to Kharkov and that he would suggest trying there. So- Has anyone here been to Kherson? Do they feel the same way about it as the guy above or different? If so, could you speak about it and tell me if there are any legitimate agencies there or if you would go back there to look or not?? Can you compare it to any other cities there? And has anyone here been to Kharkov? Thoughts about it as well... Thanks Title: Re: Question about Kherson and Kharkov- Post by: europete on November 01, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Question about Kherson and Kharkov-, posted by Buddabelly on Oct 31, 2003
I think you would do better if you went to other smaller cities and towns off what is often called "the circuit", i.e., Kiev, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, Kherson, Kharkov. The wife hunting activity is well known by many who like to play with foreigners just for fun. I have heard good words about Krivoy Rog, Mariupol, Donetsk, Vinnitsa, Sumy, and other smaller places as well as Moldava, so if possible maybe those places or others like it might be interesting. If possible, learn as much of the local language as possible before you go for it will take you a long way and you will not be dependant on someone else for communication with others. I have lived in Ukraine about 15 months and have different ideas about meeting women there and am not of the opinion that socials with the bigger companies are the way to go. There are some smaller companies that do "social parties", some of them mostly Ukrainian men and all Ukrainian/Russian women. They are different than the bigger companies socials. If I can answer other questions feel free to e-mail me and I will extend what help I am able to. Title: Kherson Agencies, and Personal Ads Post by: MarkInTx on October 31, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Question about Kherson and Kharkov-, posted by Buddabelly on Oct 31, 2003
I agree with what you were told about the women in Kiev (and Odessa, and St. Petersburg and Moscow...) As for Kherson, it is a dump by our standards... but not too different than many Ukraine cities. There are several legitimate agencies that operate there. Drop me a line at my hotmail account of: markjoel60, and I can put you in touch with three agencies I know of that are run by Americans and are the up and up. Meanwhile, an even better approach is to place a personal ad yourself. Beats buying addresses, and usually results in a much better response. The organization that I used to place the ad that eventually found my wife (in Kherson, BTW) has changed their URL since I wrote my trip report. It is now at: http://www.ukrservice.kiev.ua/ I highly recommend them. Much better than paying some guy $125 to place the ads for you! (Unless you just *like* throwing money away...) This place charges you $8.00 for an ad with a picture. If you want it with a picture and a border, it will be a whopping $10. (For Kherson). The cost per city varies... but it is really cheap... Try it. It worked for me! Title: Thank you, I have emailed you! n/t Post by: Buddabelly on November 01, 2003, 05:00:00 AM Title: Re: Question about Kherson and Kharkov- Post by: Jack on October 31, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Question about Kherson and Kharkov-, posted by Buddabelly on Oct 31, 2003
Kherson and Kharkov are both fine cities for bride searching. Each city has it's own beauty, and darkness. Both are a comfortable overnight ($25 first-class) train ride from Kiev. In Kherson, and Kharkov, as in all Ukraine and Russian cities, you will have frequent power and water outages. While in Kherson, you might want to stay at the Hotel Fregot and you should be fine. Centrally located, cost about $30 a day, you are two minute walk to the river or a five minute walk to Suvarova, the heart of the center. {and it has the cities wildest disco!} Kherson does have more than it's fair share of scam and suspect agencies. As in anything you do, check each company out, ask for and verify references. Two agencies that I have enjoyed working with and are ok in my book are Kherson Rose and KhersonGirls. Kherson's close location to Nikolaev (1 hour drive) and Odessa (three hours drive) helps make the city, and entire region, a fairly fertile and productive area. In Kharkov you will certainly have more ladies to choose from than in Kherson. If staying for 4, 5 days, you may want to stay in one of the hotels in the center. If your stay is closer to week then maybe you want a flat. Good flats in the center will go for $35 to $40 a night. As in Kherson, gossip here is there are a few agencies managed by some local goons, but there are also a handful of good agencies in Kharkov (IDI-Bridge, Bridge to Bride, KharkovGirls). Kharkov has more Universities than any other city in Ukraine. Kharkov has a LOT of young, beautiful girls. For all you guys of 27, 28, 30, you guys will have a field day!! For old men looking for young girls they will also have a field day! And yes, there are also a lot of beautiful young ladies from 23 to 35 in Kharkov. Kharkov (and Kherson) has not been hit with the flood of foreigners as has Kiev or Odessa and as such foreign men are still a very interesting, curious item. Kharkov and Kherson are no exception, as in any city, you will have your share of bad girls, women with low morals and scammers. Buddabelly (what a name!), you can do well by going to either city. Both cities are very affordable. It would not hurt to run a personal ad 6 weeks before your trip and then you could add another 3, 4 ladies to see in each city. Why not go to both cities? There a $25 overnight train ride away. Title: Thank you for the info and ideas! n/t Post by: Buddabelly on November 01, 2003, 05:00:00 AM Title: (*/*) Post by: Jack on November 03, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Thank you for the info and ideas! n/t, posted by Buddabelly on Nov 1, 2003
Nice talking with you and looking forward to working with you Buddabelly. Do not worry about the negative things Boy Blunder had to say about me in his e-mail to you, he writes the same to many guys. And when these guys show me his comments I simply discuss with them my opinions as to what constitutes a good Russian woman and a bad Russian woman and many of the guys understand why he writes what he does. I am glad you also can see thru his bullschit and feel comfortable with my support and advice. You might also want to correspond with a guy who post here by the name of LP, he can share some additional information as to what we were discussing. Boy Blunder and I disagree on many things, especially what constitutes a good Russian woman and a woman with bad, or low morals. One thing I have started doing Buddabelly is qualifying the type of clients I work with. Any man who does not seek a good Russian woman, any man who is happy with ladies of questionable or low morals is really not the type of client I want. I am glad to hear of the type lady you are seeking, and certainly the type of lady you would never marry, and thus I am comfortable in working with you. As I mentioned to you it's quite easy to go back into the archives and read where one week Boy Blunder recommends this and the next month he will recommend just the opposite. Can you say psycho? Most guys who have posted on here for sometime know about his advice, opinions..... and taste. Title: Sometimes, you are such an (*/*) Post by: MarkInTx on November 04, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to (*/*), posted by Jack on Nov 3, 2003
You know Jack, I don't really care if you decide to showcase your wit and intellect by calling me names like some sort of a fourth grader... But it would be nice if you would *pretend* to have enough class to leave my wife out of it. I realize that asking you to behave with class is asking too much... but it would be nice... Title: the (*/*), boy blunder. Post by: Jack on November 04, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Sometimes, you are such an (*/*), posted by MarkInTx on Nov 4, 2003
Boy Blunder, since receiving the following notice from Patrick,.....
The next one of you to reply to the other, or mention the other in any post will be banned for a week. ************************************************************ I have honored Patrick's request and have not replied to you, nor have I mentioned MarkinTex's name since January 16th of this year. I do have respect for this Russian discussion board and it's owner. Any man involved with the pursuit for a Russian bride today should also be happy, and respectful, of such a fine Russian discussion board as this one when you have many other sites masquerading as Russian discussion boards but are really wolves dressed in sheep's clothing. You have violated Patrick's request at least 30 times before I, and others, stopped counting several months ago. Many guys were happy to see the board move forward by not having to read of yours and mine's vast difference's and opinions of Russian women, the pursuit for Russian women, and each other. I personally have enjoyed knowing that I could read and contribute to the Planet-Love discussion board and knowing I would not be responding to anything you have written to me, or about me. I was hoping that someday you would have stopped mentioning my name in any post as Patrick told us, but your lack of respect of him, and others, you keep right on going, you can't stop. I wish you could elevate me to the level you have with LP and not read any of my post's. As you have been able to violate Patricks request some 30 plus times, I am going to detour from his request this one time and reply back to you,... from boy blunder,.....You know Jack, I don't really care if you decide to showcase your wit and intellect by calling me names like some sort of a fourth grader... If my referring to you as Boy Blunder looks fourth-gradish, I guess you showcasing your wit to name calling to the extent of,....... Plausible deniability is definitely his MO.......... I think you got it all wrong. Oscar is not the ventriloquist. He's the dummy. Look for someone else's lips to be moving whenever Oscar (or, apparently yoe) is "talking"......Just because Oscar is paranoid.....Oscar LOL (n) def: predictable response from the board's third most inane poster. Oscar, A Legend in his own mind. Just because Oscar is paranoid it doesn't mean that the board is NOT out to get him....Well, the problem is that there is such a long line of guys on bended knee in front of LP, I would hate to have to wait my turn, you know? The line behind him seems somewhat smaller... just Dan and Oscar there. But -- get this straight -- I wasn't taking a shot at Jack, dear Oscar, I was taking a shot at YOU.......Dan is a wanna be pilot, and as such thinks LP is god....BarryM Dan LP as the old saying goes, "if brains were dynamite the three of them together couldn't blow their nose..." .....Globetrotter, that you are known by the company you keep... so, take a good look at that company. I mean... take a good look, Globetrotter......next Dan... will you want proof that the sun rises in the east? Honest to God I've had more intelligent conversations with my dog...... think he is a chicken, low-life (lp) The guy has more turns than a snake. He's just a loser who had to settle for an AW because he was unable to make it work with a lady from the FSU. And I beg him for autographed pictures so I could put them on my wall, and stare at them with wonder.....LP is just a mean old man -- not.....Yep, he's an idiot, and only slightly better than a troll. I've said my last about the weenie......He's a blowhard and a jerk, who just wanted to act superior. No one needs him. Anyone can be a crochety idiot.. that doesn't take any talent at all. My initial "shot" at LP was when he posted something about Stan B that I found objectionable. So... this is all my fault, huh? I asked for it? .....You;ll have to forgive LP. He's just a cynical, crochety old man who has searched for a woman abroad and not found one yet, so he's back with the AWs for now. So, naturally, he assumes that the problem MUST be the RWs... Couldn't be him, after all... The board was better off without him when he was "retired." But he didn't stay retired, did he? Nope... and you know why? Because he needs to stroke his own ego. He'll never go away. Insecure people need their egos stroked. I learned the secret to longevity on the board: When you know someone's an idiot... you simply don't read his posts. "Did he ever offer "good advice?" Well many people on here say that he did... so I'll yield that point. I always thought the bad out weighed the good. "And I hear they hire inferior pilots :-).. Surely the great LP isn't afraid of a woman, is he?.Yeah, I noticed that LP seems to be making a lot of posts for a guy who has told us several times that he was done with us and is leaving! I see no difference between LP and Claire.......To Barry, Jack may have his faults, but I would never accuse him of being you!.. To Barry Yeah... you're a gentleman and a scholar. Your Local Russian Orthodox Church must be so proud... Barry, Only you and your pals get bitter and apoplectic...I thought you were a reasonable guy. I was wrong...(dan) Dan Congrats, That "Word a Day" calender you bought must be paying big dividends for you! ... Is it possible for you to work the word Condescending into any more posts?... To Dan,...I won't bother commenting on your pathetic attempts. You are part of the Bragg Brigade... you can't help yourself..."I'm glad to know that I inspire you... "Dan, It is impossible for me to have "my feelings hurt" by anything you say, because I have no respect for you at all. You continue to show a complete lack of: * Honor * Class * Wit...My feelings are SO hurt by your elementary school wit. I won't get into stupid name-calling, school-yard fighting, and inane bantering... I promise! Posted by MarkInTx on 10/15/2002 ...makes your behavior boy blunder that of a first-grader! As to your remarks as to me leaving your wife out of this what the he!l are you talking about? I have never mentioned your wife, never meet your wife, never seen your wife and do not even know her name! I challenge you to show me where I have mentioned your wife! I do not know what you are talking about. I do know we have a major disagreement as to what you and I consider a difference of morals in men and ladies but that does not mean that I am singling out in one lady who I consider a good Russian woman or any one woman I consider as a bad Russian woman, but all good and bad Russian ladies as a whole. I just know you and I have a big difference of opinions here. As far as I know she is one of the millions of good Russian women and not one of the bad Russian women. Only you know this. And although your so wishy-washy as what you said yesterday, and what you will say tomorrow, in your over 2400 post's you have made on the Planet-Love board, you have actually made some half dozen post's or so I agree with. I agree with so little of what you say when I do see something you say that I agree with, I try to remember it, little doubt if we both agree on something you could put it in stone. In closing, and I hope not to have to write you again and going back to not responding to any of your post's written to me, or about me (but I seriously doubt you have the class, but it would be nice), I will leave you with a few of the post's of yours I do agree with. 12-05-01 In other words... use the three months to really decide if you BOTH will be happy here, together. (about WOVO) For every guy who can say like you did that they wrote just one lady and went over and found love, I can find ten who will tell you that it didn't work for them. You will find those -- like Jack -- who searched for years, and who have reduced the whole process to a series of steps that makes it almost like a science. Best advice for someone who is doing this the first time is: Look at everything you have read about Jack. Even the bad stuff. Has anyone ever said that he didn't deliver the services he said he would? No. ...Maybe its just me... but for the first time there, I would HIGHLY suggest that you hook up with a professional... contact Jack....I cannot imagine what my last trip to Russia would have been like without Jack's help... Once my lady gets here, I'm gone. But, my fiance is computer savvy. And the last thing I would want is for her to read this site! 11-23 -01 I know there has been much discussion on whether you should expect sex when going to visit your FSU girlfriend. I would say that A) a true gentleman never expects sex – no matter what continent he is on. 5-25-02 You can phrase it a lot of different ways... but how can you want a wife (or husband) without Morals Title: Typical n/t Post by: MarkInTx on November 05, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to the (*/*), boy blunder., posted by Jack on Nov 4, 2003
A loud of sound and fury signifying nothing... Title: Who me? Post by: LP on November 04, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to (*/*), posted by Jack on Nov 3, 2003
[This message has been edited by LP] ...nah, on second thought I'll just get my pee-pee whacked for posting about my little adventure on here. It's really no one's business what goes on between me, my guests and other guys. If they want to behave like that than more power to 'em. However, it sure makes them look bad in my opinion. One told me they're dealing with older guys because of their assets, young A/M are easier to milk but have much less to spend on them. Nice huh? As for the PansyMan in TX, it's all water under the bridge for me. I dunno about low morals, I blew her off before I could find out. Beauty is in the eye, after all. Yeah, I realize you and a few others know the real story but that won't stop him from believing what he wants. It's called denial. He's happy so who cares? Look on the bright side: They're a good match and both are out of circulation. Don't worry about class Jack, you show plenty in your actions and thats as it should be. Words don't mean squat. Somebody else's squeeze means nothing because they're just that: somebody else's. Where as a general rule does it say women deserve more respect than men anyway? Thats the problem, too many guys put them on pedestals, shows how codependent they really are. Our pal can't even see he might be a tad biased. I'll say one other thing too: He's full of it when he says guys should avoid the larger cities because of the "bad" quality of the women. They're too westernized? That more than anything else reveals spades about him and his motivation. And thats based on what? One trip to Ukraine before he met his wonder girl? What an authority on the matter. The truth is Kiev and Moscow are full of fine women if one isn't threatened by their intelligence and sophistication. Who wants some backwoods Ellie May Clampett type with half a brain? Oops, I forgot... Title: Wow- Post by: Buddabelly on November 03, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to (*/*), posted by Jack on Nov 3, 2003
I don't want to start any trouble here, just trying to check out facts and get the best advice I can. I can see there has been some bad blood between you two and I would like to stay out of it. Everyone has their own opinions and what does or doesn't work for them, I just have to find what will work best for me. I appreciate all the advice I can get and keep from it what may work for me. Markintex actually said that if a guy is going to meet many women as opposed to just one, that you would be a guy who could help them. He just seems to not subscribe to that idea of meeting a lot of girls, but rather just one at a time. I know some guys do feel that way and others feel you need to meet more women. I know I personally cannot feel comfortable going all that way to meet just one girl. I just feel like what would I have to compare her to, the way they think and react and such if I didn't meet at least a few? But that's me. He also gave me some links to agencies in Kherson. Peace, Title: No Probelm Post by: MarkInTx on November 03, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Wow-, posted by Buddabelly on Nov 3, 2003
Yes, BB, you are right about what I said in my email. And, no problem here. You are right... everyone has their own opinion on these matters. Good luck to you. Title: Re: Smaller towns Post by: exlabman on October 31, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Question about Kherson and Kharkov-, posted by Buddabelly on Oct 31, 2003
I would suggest you contact Jack Bragg at www.firstdream.com. Jack will help you work up a plan of action. I agree the smaller towns have more down to earth women. My suggestion would be for you to go to Dnipropetrovsk and then let the women from the many small town around come in to meet you. Jack can put some ads in the local papers for you and you can write some of the ladies that respond to get started. Jack is a great guy with a wonderful staff in Ukraine...you will be well taken care of and get good guidence. You are in for an experience of a lifetime. Enjoy. Larry Title: Re: Re: Smaller towns Post by: Jack on October 31, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Smaller towns, posted by exlabman on Oct 31, 2003
Thanks for the kind words Larry. Help a guy find a good wife, he's a happy camper. Title: Re: Question about Kherson and Kharkov- Post by: tbirdjoy on October 31, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Question about Kherson and Kharkov-, posted by Buddabelly on Oct 31, 2003
Since you're going to probably fly into Kiev I'd at least spend a day there sightseeing. It is a very beautiful city with a large number of beautiful churches to look at. Now I tend to be partial to the Crimea. I've been there twice and it's a vacation desination in and of it's self. You have the Black Sea and it's accompaning resort towns like Yalta, Alustha just to name a couple. You've got Sevastopol which is very interesting, you've got beautiful castles, palaces, caverans that give our Carlsbad a run for their money, mountains... you name it they have it there. The capitol of Crimea is Simferopol. The best thing I like about Crimea is their beautiful and unspoiled women. My wife is from Simferopol and she's the most incredible creature I've ever known. They also have a few very reputable and honest agencies there. I meet my wife through one of them and I've dealt with about three of them during my search. It's a great vacation spot and you won't feel like you're "working." Mark Title: Re: Re: Question about Kherson and Kharkov- Post by: Buddabelly on October 31, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Question about Kherson and Kharkov-, posted by tbirdjoy on Oct 31, 2003
Thanks very much for the info. Could you tell me which agencies you used and liked in Simferopol?? Which one your wife used? Thanks, Title: Re: Re: Re: Question about Kherson and Kharkov- Post by: tbirdjoy on October 31, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Question about Kherson and Khark..., posted by Buddabelly on Oct 31, 2003
I'm not sure we're allowed to post web sites on the Board but if you email me I'll be happy to send you the info and talk to you about my experiences. Mark Title: I have emailed you! Thanks. n/t Post by: Buddabelly on November 01, 2003, 05:00:00 AM Title: Re: Question about Kherson and Kharkov- Post by: Stan on October 31, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Question about Kherson and Kharkov-, posted by Buddabelly on Oct 31, 2003
Well, I've been to Ukraine a few times and all of the following post is just my opinion,,,,,,,,,,, Sure it's a dump, the Soviets were'nt known for their Apt. design. Water, electricity, could be sporadic??? If you want to go to Eastern Europe for a "cushy", 5-star vacation, stay home. Save yourself the headache and save the rest of us who travel well the embarrassment of another whiney, loud, complaining American abroad. Or better yet, go to Vegas and wear your sweat pants and ratty T-shirt up and down the strip. If you want to go to a "different" country and culture, meet very friendly and sincere people. Keep your expectations low and your possibilities open and you will be in for the trip of your life. You will meet a people who have not forgotten what it's like to have strong women, yet very tender, beautiful and feminin. Life goes by if you sit on the couch or not,, but if you get up and your ass isn't supported the way you like it supported, don't *itch or bad mouth em'. My 2 cents Steve Title: jeeeezz! lighten up dude! n/t Post by: jrm on October 31, 2003, 05:00:00 AM Title: Re: jeeeezz! lighten up dude! n/t Post by: Stan on October 31, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to jeeeezz! lighten up dude! n/t, posted by jrm on Oct 31, 2003
I posted twice and and didn't mean to bite his head off but nothing gets my "goat" worse than his bud from town that came back and whined about everyday life in Ukraine. If I could type better and faster, you guys would have pages of what my wife was screaming for me to write and say! :) Any one who is worth their own,,,,,,,, went there to experience it for themselves, pure and simple. My "first" didn't work out,,,,,,,, as do many here or those I know that have gone. There's a million ways to do it "right" and MORE ways than that to do it wrong. I know of a couple girls here that are "married" to 100% trash. They live like slaves! I know of a woman who married and 4 months later took her "so-so" husband to the cleaners w/the support of the local womans shelter. It's a two way street. I've been places where I've heard guys say, "How can I get one of those"? I just hang my head in shame to be associated by nationality to such stupid people. "How can I get one of those"?. They're people, not an item on a shelf at the mall. Write letters, make contacts, read and listen. Do your homework and say a prayer and get a ticket and go. Like my wife said,,, with the right woman,, you would follow her to the smallest village to have her heat water on the stove so you could bathe and it will have been the best time of your life. Title: brief question/statement.. Post by: tfcrew on November 01, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: jeeeezz! lighten up dude! n/t, posted by Stan on Oct 31, 2003
"a million ways to it 'right'"..I was wondering.. to do WHAT right? Just curious. Guess I'm dence on that one, and couldn't follow the meaning. Numbers are quite arbitrary sometimes. I believe that narrow is the straight path and wide is the highway to perdition. My wife has made new friends with a lady here in Garland from What can you do/say/think sometimes? Title: Re: brief question/statement.. Post by: Stan on November 01, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to brief question/statement.., posted by tfcrew on Nov 1, 2003
I was refering to looking for a wife. My method was "right" for me and I've read others methods that I wouldn't be comfortable with. But if it works for them,,,,, Power to em'. That's all. ;) Title: Well said Post by: MarkInTx on October 31, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: jeeeezz! lighten up dude! n/t, posted by Stan on Oct 31, 2003
More than once I have hung my head at the stupid things some people say on here. Your wife is absolutely correct... As Proverbs says: "A wife of noble character, who can find? She is worth far more than rubies!" Title: Re: Re: Question about Kherson and Kharkov- Post by: Buddabelly on October 31, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Question about Kherson and Kharkov-, posted by Stan on Oct 31, 2003
I think maybe you misunderstood me a little.. I don't personally care if it's not so nice over there, I just care about the women. I will not be complaining about the "environment". This guy told me that all the agencies in Kherson were run by the mafia and that the whole town just about was as well. That I don't like so much (if it's true of course). I expect it to be a much less inviting environment in Ukraine and am not looking for a cushy vacation. I am looking at this as work! I really want one of these women but the biggest trouble I am having is in planning where to go there. From all the guys I have talked to, I don't want Kiev or Odessa. I have heard a lot of horror stories about Lugansk as far as the scammers go. I was thinking Kherson sounded pretty good till I listened to what this one guy had to say about it. So it's a little confusing. I don't want to go to 3 or 4 cities, I want to go to just one and really work hard at it there. Question is, which city??? Kharkov, Kremenchug, Sumy, Kherson?? All suggestions welcome. Thanks, Title: Re: Re: Re: Question about Kherson and Kharkov- Post by: Stan on October 31, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Question about Kherson and Khark..., posted by Buddabelly on Oct 31, 2003
Didn't meen to bite your head, just wanted to issue a warning,,, The FSU can chew you up if your not careful but I've never had a problem. Don't realy know how to advise you, your'e not shopping at Wallmart, and I did it on my own with no knowledge of this board until I had almost completed the K-1 for my wife and stepson. Your dealing with people,,, women at that. Some are so sincere, you wont believe it. The next one will try to take you for all you got and never flinch. You can take a "tour" and have some one hold your hand the whole way,,,,,,,,, or you can walk blind into the fire all on your own,,,,, or anything in between. Anywhere and everywhere you go the women will make you turn your head, village, city,,,,, It's up to you how you feel comfortable looking for a wife, some one you would wish to fall in love with???? Good luck,,,,,, Hang on,,,,,,, It's an awsome ride! Title: No problem- Post by: Buddabelly on November 01, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Question about Kherson and K..., posted by Stan on Oct 31, 2003
I do plan on going it alone, I'm pretty adventurous. Most guys I have spoken with said to stay away from the tours etc.. Title: Re: Question about Kherson and Kharkov- Post by: AllenB on October 31, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Question about Kherson and Kharkov-, posted by Buddabelly on Oct 31, 2003
Hey Buddabelly, Do your fiends call you tiny sometimes also? To get to your question, I can understand why the guy in your city didn't like Kherson. Kherson is a very small city and because of this it has the trapings of a small village in the 1940's or 50's. Kharkov on the other hand is the second largest city in Ukriane behind Kiev and it has many very beautiful places. No matter where you go in Ukraine you will be amazed at the differences between a U.S. city and those in Ukraine. 70 years of soviet plunder and neglect takes a long time to correct and modernize so be aware that you are not going to Disneyland. If I can give you my best advice it would be to write to many girls in Ukraine and I would concentrate on the smaller cities such as Kherson, Dnepropetrovsk, Krivoy Rog, etc. as these girls have not become spoiled like the girls in Kiev. When it comes time to visit Ukraine then some will be willing to meet you in Kiev and then you can take the bullet trains (just kidding) to the small cities and villages to see why these girls are the unspoiled and well mannered beauties that men all over the world seek as their wives. My wife is from Krivoy Rog and she is the sweetest, kindest and most beautiful girl I have ever known. Always be sure to be polite, honest and frank with them so you do not ruin it for the other guys. Good luck! Title: Re: Re: Question about Kherson and Kharkov- Post by: Buddabelly on October 31, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Question about Kherson and Kharkov-, posted by AllenB on Oct 31, 2003
Thanks for the input. Believe me, I have no illusions about what it looks like over there. That really doesn't matter to me, I am looking for a good woman, I could care less what the neighborhood looks like! :-) It would bother me if the mafia basically owned the town and the agencies though! What I had understood was that even though Kharkov is 2nd in size to Kiev (yup, I have done my homework), it seems that not nearly as many men go there as to Kiev or Odessa, would that be your opinion or do you think many guys routinely go to Kharkov as well? Could you tell me more about Krivoy Rog? How big, what agencies are legit there, what did you think of the opportunities and the women there, etc?? Or did you have your wife meet you somewhere else? Thanks Title: Re: Re: Re: Question about Kherson and Kharkov- Post by: AllenB on November 01, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Question about Kherson and Khark..., posted by Buddabelly on Oct 31, 2003
Hello again BB, If you are worried about the Mafia you need to understand something about them. First, it is not like what whe know here. In the smaller cities the "mafia" is primarily the young boys that steal computers, etc. The mafia you hear about is primarily in Kiev and its leader is Kuchma, the President of Ukraine. This idiot, and he is truly an idiot by mental standards, uses the mafia to keep him in power. If you are going to do business in Ukraine then you need to be concerned with these people but if you are only a traveler and particularly an American traveler you have nothing to worry about. If you are basing your travel plans on an agency then you have much more concern about the legitimacy of the agency than any mafia. BB, here is my advice and I will leave it alone after this. I find many men go over there on these tours and they find women they like but perhaps they are evenly matched by way that these guys are looking for somebody who is beautiful but they don't know much about them and the girl doesn't care because maybe she's in a bad situation (one of my wife's girlfriends) and they would marry most foreigners just to escape and then find love once they leave. Don't worry about the mafia, they are not after you, but worry about the honesty of the agencies and the women. Buddabelly, if you are like your name then be realistic on the girl. My wife and all of the girls I ever dated in all of Ukraine are used to very large, old and bald men. They are not turned on by this anymore than anyother woman but some will surrender just to ease their pain and try to find some happieness. The best women in the world are found in the CIS as far as I am concerned and my wife and I love to return for our visits but I worry that the western men will finally ruin these women because too many promise they will visit them and never do and make other false statements. Just be honest with these girls. You, I promise, will never understand the great cruelty and indiference they go through every day of thier lives until you have married one and lived together for several years. Please only show kindness to these girls and you will be king in short order. Krivoy Rog, Dnepropetrovsk, Donetsk, etc. doesn't matter. Let's say you were looking for a girl in America. You didn't care about the surroundings but you wanted a girl that was more family oriented and less career oriented. If that is the case then you would naturally rule out all of the major cities such as New York, L.A., Chicago, etc. right? It is the same there. Kharkov is a beautiful city and there are many beautiful girls but if you want a girl that is more seasoned to the home and children then perhaps you want a girl from a smaller city or perhaps one of the provincial villages. I'd be happy to discuss any other aspects of this with you or anybody else but I hope I have been helpful here. Title: Good post Allan n/t Post by: TwoBitBandit on November 01, 2003, 05:00:00 AM Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Question about Kherson and Kharkov- Post by: Buddabelly on November 01, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Question about Kherson and K..., posted by AllenB on Nov 1, 2003
Thanks for the info. Did you visit only Krivoy Rog or did you go to other cities as well? If you had to go back, where would YOU go knowing what you know now? Thanks, Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Question about Kherson and Kharkov- Post by: AllenB on November 01, 2003, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Question about Kherson a..., posted by Buddabelly on Nov 1, 2003
I have visited many of the cities in Ukraine such as Kiev, Kharkov, Kherson, Dnepropetrovsk, Donetsk, Lvov, Krivoy Rog, Simferopol, Yalta and Mishor. By far my favorite place in all of Ukraine is Mishor and Ai Petri in the Crimea but I also very much enjoy Kiev. Krivoy Rog has it's charm because it is where I spent much time with my wife and her friends and family. Like I said before, most of the girls, if they are serious, will be willing to travel a bit to meet you and therefore if I had to do it all again I would meet some girls in Kiev and then head down to Crimea and meet some more girls in Simferopol then vacation and maybe invite my favorite to spend some time with me in Mishor and Yalta. I hope that helps. |