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i was searching for a good agency in either kiev, st petersberg or moscow, but i have not found one, any reccomendatons???

... in response to kiev, st petersberg, moscow agency, posted by mudd on Oct 9, 2003

I have been to all of the listed cities and they are all worth seeing and have a lot to experience(history, culture,etc.) besides the women.
You cannot generalize usually. There are good women everywhere.
Agency's are easy to find, it's the compatible woman that takes some looking.
If you live in a rural area, don't bring a city girl to live on the farm, you'll both regret it!

... in response to kiev, st petersberg, moscow agency, posted by mudd on Oct 9, 2003

[This message has been edited by MarkInTx]

Just one man's opinion, but personally...

If there were three cities I would stay away from, it would be Kiev, St. Petersburg, and Moscow.

I mean, St Pb and Kiev are great cities (I've never been to Moscow) I just wouldn't want to try to find a wife there.

But everyone has a different opinion about such things...

YMMV

... in response to Re: kiev, st petersberg, moscow agency, posted by MarkInTx on Oct 10, 2003

im curious which cities have the most sincere ladies
i was choosing between liev and odessa  any thoughts guys

... in response to which cities then, posted by kevin c on Oct 10, 2003

Let's face it, there are scammers everywheer, and there are sincere women everywhere.

I'm partial to Kherson, obviously.

But any city has the same potential for success or failure, I guess.

I just would staty away from the very "Westernized" cities, personally...

... in response to which cities then, posted by kevin c on Oct 10, 2003

Start from Kiev and also visit some smaller cities.  I have never been out of Kiev or Kharkov, but I know from many trips to Russia that big city girls tend to be very difficult.  Kiev is a friendlier, slightly slower pace than Moscow or St. Petersburg (both of which can be extremely intimidating due to the fast pace).  Kiev is definitely worth seeing and due to the Ukrainian train network you could easily get to other places with lots of pretty women.  It seems alot of guys like Dnepropetrovsk and Kherson when wife hunting these days - but ask the guys that have been there.  By the way, I prefer Russia, but distances are a problem in Russia, so unless you like to fly great distances, one city per trip, or one city and the immediate surrounding area is the way to go in Russia.  Some guys fly to Moscow and then go to the smaller cities within three hours of Moscow to look for girls, like Tver.  Tver has two popular full service agencies.  I do not recommend a bigger city girl.  I have a decent girl in St. Petersburg - but not good enough for me to stop looking for others.  I find the smaller city / especially the Siberian girls to be the nicest (but Siberia is a haul - maybe if I really get desperate I'll start looking there in the future).

... in response to If you like Ukraine start from Kiev, posted by Bobby Orr on Oct 10, 2003

I can only express my opinion bassed on my great trip to Ukraine. I made my trip in April of this year and had a wonderful experience. First you need to write to a number of ladies both from Kiev and also from the smaller towns around Kiev. Then pick about 6 you like from Kiev and six from the smaller towns and tell them you will be in Kiev and would they be willing to come to Kiev to meet you. The reason I did it this way was I do not speak russian so I felt that my 20 days was better spent being comfortable in one city rather than wasting a lot of time traveling all over. There is a lot to see in Kiev and between sightseeing and meeting ladies you will not be bored for one second. The ladies from the small towns will be happy to come to Kiev and even if you have to pay the train fare it is very cheap. You tell them you will contact them when you arrive in Kiev and set up a time for them to come to Kiev andinvite them for a couple of days. If you find one you want to spend more time with believe me they will extend their visit to stay with you if they feel the same way about you. I did find that the small town ladies were a little more down to earth and ended up finding the woman (from a town of 7500 people)that I have sought for years (thanks to Jack Bragg and the Firstdream staff in Kiev)and she will be here in USA in November to marry me. There are lots of good places to eat in Kiev and lots of people to see and meet, just sit on a bench on the sidewalk and you will not be alone very long. I rented a two bedroom flat so if they felt uncomfortable about staying with me I was able to tell them they had a separate bedroom. You will find your life changed for ever after this trip whether you find a fiancee or not.

I highly recommend you contact Jack Bragg for planning help and you will be a happy camper. Hope this helps and just enjoy

Larry
Atlanta

... in response to Kiev...a little different method, posted by exlabman on Oct 10, 2003

If I may ask, what age is the woman you selected?

... in response to gotta question for you, posted by thesearch on Oct 15, 2003

n/t

... in response to She is 46...................n/t, posted by exlabman on Oct 16, 2003

Now a 20 year spread at your age is not as much a challenge as for the younger guys.

Because I was looking for a woman in her late 30's I did not really check out the women closely that were older.

However, from the couple of times that I was over there I did get the impression that the older women seemed to not fare as well as American women relative to the aging process.

I was just wondering, since you were looking at older women, what was your impression about this?

... in response to something I was wondering about., posted by thesearch on Oct 16, 2003

You are correct that a 66/46 spread is totally different than a 40/20 spread is. The concept that a 20 yr old woman is "mature" is nonsense......they have not lived long enough outside the "nest" to have learned to cope with "life". One big difference in my eyes is the fact that a 20 yr old FSU woman did not live through the hard times of communism therefore they tend to be more westernized and have different expectations. With regard to aging process and I assume you are talking about "looks"...you are way off. The UW/RW seem to age much better than AW (especially in the weight dept.) and have a much different attitude about how they look when going out in public.......There have been a number of threads about the fact that the UW/RW wives take a hour getting ready to go to the grocery store because they have to put on  their make-up and a good looking outfit. The UW/RW seem to have a natural desire to look like a "fox" and the AW just do not seem to give a s**t. I also think their diet has a great effect on the way they age...the UW/RW eat healthier.

For all the nay-sayers.........yes I know there are "rare" exceptions.

Larry

... in response to Kiev...a little different method, posted by exlabman on Oct 10, 2003

I think its great to meet several women in one of the large cities.  If you're using the Jack WMVM method it is efficient and effective for an initial meeting, as Larry's experience demonstrates.  But don't lose sight of the fact that you are presumably making a life decision, and I think once you settle on "the one" that it is highly desirable to go to her town and meet her family, particularly if she has children.  Of the RW/AM divorces that I am aware of, the couple only met on a "holiday" and, once she arrived in the U.S., things didn't work out as well.  There is a lot of risk in this process, and anyone who doesn't meet their wife's family is, IMHO, making a serious mistake.

... in response to Re: Kiev...a little different method, posted by Charles on Oct 11, 2003

n/t

... in response to Kiev...a little different method, posted by exlabman on Oct 10, 2003

nice report and good idea, but what are some agencies in kiev?

... in response to Kiev...a little different method, posted by exlabman on Oct 10, 2003

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hey exlabman shoot me an email at kevin_c_44718@nospam.com
i had a question for you but you dont have email listed in your profile  thanks kevin

... in response to If you like Ukraine start from Kiev, posted by Bobby Orr on Oct 10, 2003

i get your point. i would like to visit the big cities, just for the fact that they are easy to get too, and you dont have to travel as much. siberia sounds good, but its a LONG TRIP!!!!! and i would lose two days just trying to get there and back. tver's girls just dont look that cute to me. i think the best looking  girls i have seen(from photos of course) have been from moscow, kiev and st petersberg.

... in response to Re: If you like Ukraine start from Kiev, posted by mudd on Oct 10, 2003

You can search by city, and find gorgeous women in almost any city you choose...

... in response to Re: If you like Ukraine start from Kiev, posted by mudd on Oct 10, 2003

Kiev is a great city and there are still many nice girls there I am sure.  But if you are in Ukraine, I would look at places like Odessa and Dnepropetrovs'k (where my wife is from).  I found the women in these cities generally much more polite, punctual and far less spoiled by foreign men.  

I have also been to Tver and for the most part, the women in the agencies there are very, very young.  "Lifetime Partners" is a legit agency but they kept trying to put me with women far too young.  Most of the women seemed to be between 18 and 22.  The other big agency there "Absolute Perfection" is NOT legit and is a huge rip-off!

Have you considered personal ads???

Good luck,
Oscar